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when 4th came out "think it was 4th" when they ditched all the old books. Didn't they give us free pds of the rules til the books where updated?

OgreChubbs wrote:
when 4th came out "think it was 4th" when they ditched all the old books. Didn't they give us free pds of the rules til the books where updated?

5th-6th was a similar situation. We got a free pamphlet containing simplified lists for the existing factions. That's why some of the outrage over the Ravening Scrolls seems a bit overblown. These are just a band-aid until the new rules are released.

Unmounted Celestan? WOO!

Herzlos wrote:
I'd had said 40K has never been in a worse state than it is now, but I've completely given up trying to keep track of what's happening.

 Talys wrote:
Those are fantastic 15mm paintjobs, and they highlight my point exactly. If you said they were 28mm, they wouldn't even cone close to Golden Demon quality. They're also spectacularly hard to paint in 15mm, but would just be 'great' in 28mm, and not at all comparable to the 2 GD models in terms of visible intricacy.

I'm not entirely sure I get your point; they aren't meant to be as detailed as a (pretty big) 32mm mini, being under half the size (and a quarter of the bulk), and fill a largely different role. For one, they tend to suit the ground scale better (using 15mm mini's on a 6x4 table just seems better with most rule sets) and let you play bigger armies/games, all the way down to 3mm where you can host an entire 1:1 scale roman legion on a normal sized table, all 5448 of them, there's just no way you can do that in 28mm with any size of table.

That said, those 15mm mini's are painted better than the majority of us will paint 28mm's, it's better than my 54mms...

Hey Herzlos,

I agree that those minis are painted with much more skill than the vast majority of 28mm's.

My point originally (that AllSeeingSkink was replying to) is that 28mm gives painters a much greater canvas to paint details like writing, heraldry, freehand, NMM, OSL, et cetera. I believe, personally, at 28mm infantry (which can be somewhat taller than 28mm) is the smallest scale where these details can be expressed. For example, in the rightmost shoulder pad in the row below, it says "BLOOD ANGELS" (in double-lined text, no less!):



In 15mm scale, no matter how talented the painter, it would be impossible to achieve with a paintbrush and manual painting (and the resultant lettering would be too small to read without a magnifying glass anyways). By the way, when you see that actual shoulder pad in person, it's damn impressive, as the space is very, very short. in height. I don't think I could do that in double-lined even if I tried super hard -- but I'm going to give it a go when I get around to using that shoulder pad

This is why my preference is for 28mm scale rather than 15mm scale. I don't need it to be larger than 28mm scale, because at that scale, I can create details as fine as I'm able to with a brush, and as small as the naked eye can comfortably see when you put it right up to your nose or when you photograph it anyhow. Plus, even at the tabletop level, a high quality paintjob really shines at 28mm. Like, you can REALLY see the difference between so-called "display" quality versus "tabletop" quality paintjobs (using those terms in the absolute loosest sense).

Skink had a good point that 15mm is better for expressing regiments rather than solo models, and that he didn't want to spend 10+ hours on each of an infantry model, and I get that -- but at this particular stage of my hobby, I'm happy to spend that kind of time, or whatever is needed, to achieve "really good" tabletop models, that aren't necessarily my very best effort, but that represent a pretty good effort, and where every single model I paint is interesting in some way and improves my skill a little bit.


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OgreChubbs wrote:
when 4th came out "think it was 4th" when they ditched all the old books. Didn't they give us free pds of the rules til the books where updated?

I think it would be a very kind gesture to give out the old books as PDFs. I don't see how that would hurt GW's bottom line, as they aren't charging for Sigmar rules or warscrolls anyways, and what the heck, you still need minis, right?

 Eldarain wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
when 4th came out "think it was 4th" when they ditched all the old books. Didn't they give us free pds of the rules til the books where updated?

5th-6th was a similar situation. We got a free pamphlet containing simplified lists for the existing factions. That's why some of the outrage over the Ravening Scrolls seems a bit overblown. These are just a band-aid until the new rules are released.

Ya so I was kinda right, thank you . I wonder if this will be the same have a easy play mode for several months til the new faction "or is it 2" get enough models then the army books and brb will come out. I was readin the scrolls and alot of them they didn't even change the wording from their 8th edition rule book.

So all in all thats my bet, it will stay a quick pdf for a couple months and then poof hit with hard covers. Since they did change their what 9 foot statue outside their main office and such. Taking a gamble and giving everything away for free is kinda.... bad business. Only thing right now thats actually "for sale" is the starter set. Cant see it staying that way for long.

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kind yes but costly since someone has to writ them all up and make the new rules new wounds ect for ALL models. That would take them what month or more to be nice?

omg the hate for tablets grows

PhantomViper wrote:

 Talys wrote:


Yes, I agree. As I've said before, this is philosophically what GW believes in, it's built into their company's DNA, and everything I've ever seen of them is that they are a company that loves awesome miniatures first, friendly/casual/social games second, fluff third. Competitions are like, an afterthought.

Except for, you know, WHFG 6th and 7th editions and 40K 4th and 5th editions, which coincidently where the periods in which they experienced the biggest growth... funny that.

This.

On the other hand tournament players have black hearts so maybe it's good that GW finaly started to fight such evil.

Really this game has the biggest special snowflakes players number of any games I've ever played. Table footbal, a causal game you play drunk with slightly silly young ladies with oxygenated hair has more fierce competition and more acceptance of a fierce competition. It's like the stereotype jocks and their footbal, only here people outcast you and call you names when you are good lol.

 Talys wrote:
For 30 years, they have not been about writing a wargaming system, and then building models for that system.*

*Not including Epic, Warmaster, Battlefleet Gothic, 3rd & 5th Edition 40K.

I have a rules question, where would be a good place to get clarification on it?

Chopxsticks wrote:
I have a rules question, where would be a good place to get clarification on it?

You can post a thread in this sub-forum:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/forums/show/20.page

What's that photo of the email (?) about suggested balancing methods for AoS? Is that anything official?

 The Shadow wrote:
What's that photo of the email (?) about suggested balancing methods for AoS? Is that anything official?

No. It looks like a staffer has sent out e mails suggesting stuff that could work

Don't look now, but I think the number of items on the Wood Elf store is decreasing.

 Xyxox wrote:
Don't look now, but I think the number of items on the Wood Elf store is decreasing.

The old models are probably just left over stock, I'd imagine quite a few models are going to start disappearing from the website over the next few months.

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 angelofvengeance wrote:
Lol I posted these pics on Saturday.

We know. They just never got added to the OP.

He pops in to remind us almost as much as the archer pics were reposted in the thread.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 Talys wrote:
For 30 years, they have not been about writing a wargaming system, and then building models for that system.*

*Not including Epic, Warmaster, Battlefleet Gothic, 3rd & 5th Edition 40K.

Just because you like an edition better doesn't make it philosophically different. I have no idea how you imagine 3e or 5e as balanced. I tend to tend to think of 5e as glory days of the Grey Knights.

There's other products like Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay, Advanced Heroquest, Space Hulk, Hours Heresy (the box set without minis) and at one point Talisman, too. There are plenty of Specialist games you can point to. But other than Epic, all of these were minor endeavors that GW didn't pursue, I believe because they don't follow GW's vision of miniatures first. Even Epic, which was popular was abandoned.

Anyways, for a very long time, they've focused on building cool minis and then finding a way to insert it onto a game. Which is just fine with me. I would hate a GW that didn't make a model because it was disruptive to the game ecosystem.

Forgive me if this has been posted but do we have prices for the Sigmarine sets?

Will the bigger than big guys with the 2 handed hammers be coming out on their own?

I'm thinking of picking up a Maggoth lord to use as my Great Unclean One.

Anyone know what'll happen to the end times kits because I'll buy it soon if its getting scrapped.


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 Eldarain wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
when 4th came out "think it was 4th" when they ditched all the old books. Didn't they give us free pds of the rules til the books where updated?

5th-6th was a similar situation. We got a free pamphlet containing simplified lists for the existing factions. That's why some of the outrage over the Ravening Scrolls seems a bit overblown. These are just a band-aid until the new rules are released.

According to the FW N&R thread GW sent some poor sod to answer AOS questions at the FW open day.

These are the new rules. Nothing else is coming if that source is to be believed.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Forgive me if this has been posted but do we have prices for the Sigmarine sets?

Will the bigger than big guys with the 2 handed hammers be coming out on their own?

I believe you're looking for THIS POST.

Thx!

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Found this on Mexican Ork's Facebook page:

So $50 for the generic hammer dudes, and $33 for the leader dude.

Yeah.

OK

No.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Forgive me if this has been posted but do we have prices for the Sigmarine sets?

Will the bigger than big guys with the 2 handed hammers be coming out on their own?

I see "stormcast eternal liberators" on my sheet for 50 dollars US. Not sure how many in a box. I think they make all the different weapons, including the hammers.

Hammers really messed me up last game, i have healthy respect for them now.

 Bronzefists42 wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:

OgreChubbs wrote:
when 4th came out "think it was 4th" when they ditched all the old books. Didn't they give us free pds of the rules til the books where updated?

5th-6th was a similar situation. We got a free pamphlet containing simplified lists for the existing factions. That's why some of the outrage over the Ravening Scrolls seems a bit overblown. These are just a band-aid until the new rules are released.

According to the FW N&R thread GW sent some poor sod to answer AOS questions at the FW open day.

These are the new rules. Nothing else is coming if that source is to be believed.

I should have been more clear. I was referring to the new miniature releases. The reimagined versions of the races we are familiar with. Presumably in the new larger scale of the AoS boxed set.

It might be a tad early to tell but I don't think this has a very good chance of saving WHFB.

I know their wasn't really anything to lose but it seems like GeeDubs has purged what kept people playing (Fluff, background, aestehtics, etc.) and magnified everything that was stopping people from playing (excruciating prices and terrible rules.)

Only time will tell...

If that Lord Celestant is as big as he looks, and hopefully includes the babygryph, I guess that isn't that bad of price, especially once you can get the usual discounts from a game store.

I have a pile of consignment credit at my FLGS and I'm probably going to just use it all on Sigmar stuff.

Those Sigmarines are still going to end up dwarfed by all my Darklands stuff.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
So $50 for the generic hammer dudes, and $33 for the leader dude.

Unmounted leader dude at that.

Feth that Kyoto, you're missing the big 'un in the room:

FOURTY DOLLAR 'DICE SHAKERS'!!!

I mean WTF?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Feth that Kyoto, you're missing the big 'un in the room:

FOURTY DOLLAR 'DICE SHAKERS'!!!

I mean WTF?

Great Teh Space Emporer's trouser hammer!!

How did I miss that?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Feth that Kyoto, you're missing the big 'un in the room:

FOURTY DOLLAR 'DICE SHAKERS'!!!

I mean WTF?

They finally did some market research and you throw it back in their faces? So they didn't realize it was derogatory when people called their games glorified Yahtzee, at least they're listening...

Hell yeah. Thse new balancing rules started making some more sense. Just have to get rid with my old wood elves (and all the sentiments/nostalgia that come with them) and I'm ready fro brand new game

Figured i'd just leave this here. Made up a system for assigning points. Feel free to follow the link, or check out any of the other ones in proposed rules.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/655480.page