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Anything's better than crab claws and chicken feet.

Are they going to seperate 40k and AoS daemons? That sounds great to me as most of the daemons are my least favorite figures.

I'm looking forward to new figures for all the chaos infantry.

I'm more interested in Vulcatrix, Mother of Salamanders, and any possible relation to a certain 40k Primarch.

 Manchu wrote:

 oni wrote:
SOoo... Am I the only one that's noticed we'll be getting a new RoBG along with the AoS releases?

GW sent a new tile to LGS that ordered a certain number of box sets. It is normal ground with some cracks that show strange runes and patterns below.

Do you mean that there will be an entirely new six-tile set?

I've seen a few very distinct, new tiles in the AoS pictures, different from the one sent to retailers. I can only assuming it will be a new six tile set.

Doesn't the Sigmarite fluff say the more they reincarnate the more they lose touch?

Perhaps the new Slaanesh enters their minds and breaks free as a new god after a serious cold turkey detox.

Then we'd have Chaos Sigmarites.

 Dentry wrote:
I'm more interested in Vulcatrix, Mother of Salamanders, and any possible relation to a certain 40k Primarch.

What who?

Vulkan like every primarch has no mother, atleast biologically.

It is far more likely just a reference to the beast Salamander, not the space marine.

My Take on Slaanesh: He's not gone despite the pic with the different icon. Slaanesh's icon to me always looked like a mashed up universal symbol for male gender and female gender. In this day and age, that might not be 100% kosher anymore.

Then again, this is the company that brought you this model too and gave zero feths about it: http://www.games-workshop.com/en-NO/Goblin-Spear-Chukka

Dunno. Just a thought. I don't think he's going anywhere personally, though i have no doubt he's going to continue down the path of sanitation. I may be wrong.



.. also that Sigmarine with runed sword is fething boss.

Did the G-E splice a salamander egg with human DNA?

The old symbol is likely the least protectable - if we see Slaanesh still present with a new badge, that'll be why.

I find the thought of Slaanesh being removed from the lore to be deeply disturbing. The whole "God of Sex, drugs and boobies!" is an overblown Internet meme propagated by the dunderheads at 4Chan and isn't in any way representative of what Slaanesh is or how s/he is represented within the game.

Slaanesh is the Chaos God of Excess, not sex/sexual violence. You can do a lot with Slaanesh without ever getting into that side of things, or ever describing such things. I know - I spent quite a while working with a great team of writers on a whole book dedicated to Slaanesh - and the book wasn't full of sexual deviancy and bondage.

I don't like this at all, and we need more information ASAP.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Slaanesh is the Chaos God of Excess, not sex/sexual violence. You can do a lot with Slaanesh without ever getting into that side of things, or ever describing such things. I know - I spent quite a while working with a great team of writers on a dedicated to Slaanesh - and the book wasn't full of sexual deviancy and bondage.

You worked on that?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't like this at all, and we need more information ASAP.

I wouldn't be too eager, it might be a bit before we get the information.

Do we know anything about that symbol? I've heard that it might be Be'lakor or some sort of newly invented "spider god". There's also some chance that it is still Slaanesh, and they decided to change the previous symbol to something more IP-protectable.

If all this is is a symbol change due to GW's paranoid obsession with putting a (TM) after everything, then fine, I can live with that, as ultimately the symbol Slaanesh uses isn't all that important (it's certainly not as prominent in miniatures as the Khorne or Nurgle symbols).

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJbEiZnWEAEE6ZY.jpg:large

Lady Atia posted the high quality version of the symbol.

Maybe GW was inspired by Creature Caster's "Spider Demon" and decided to incorporate that imagery?

I would have thought that new symbol looks more like Malekith's circlet of iron, or morathi's head piece.
What's Morathi been up to since disappearing in Khaine?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I find the thought of Slaanesh being removed from the lore to be deeply disturbing. The whole "God of Sex, drugs and boobies!" is an overblown Internet meme propagated by the dunderheads at 4Chan and isn't in any way representative of what Slaanesh is or how s/he is represented within the game.

Slaanesh is the Chaos God of Excess, not sex/sexual violence. You can do a lot with Slaanesh without ever getting into that side of things, or ever describing such things. I know - I spent quite a while working with a great team of writers on a whole book dedicated to Slaanesh - and the book wasn't full of sexual deviancy and bondage.

I don't like this at all, and we need more information ASAP.

Mental note get that book.

This Slaanesh goes missing thing sounds more like an advancement in the storyline than a retcon. His origin story and history wasn't retconned. The world blew up, and then something happened to him.

This whole imagery and theme smells like someone at GW really likes Diablo, and wanted Warhammer to be Angels vs Demons. A weird realm where magical monsters jump up from holes in the ground and portals in the air nonstop and then there's a couple heroes always ready to smack them down.

http://www.diablohungary.hu/uploads/images/news/2560x1600_TVS1_Imperius_vs_Diablo_wall1_by_Holyknight3000.jpg
http://orig01.deviantart.net/9d33/f/2012/141/1/8/imperius_diablo_3_by_subkulturee-d50kjox.jpg

 Therion wrote:
This whole imagery and theme smells like someone at GW really likes Diablo, and wanted Warhammer to be Angels vs Demons. A weird realm where magical monsters jump up from holes in the ground and portals in the air nonstop and then there's a couple heroes always ready to smack them down.

http://www.diablohungary.hu/uploads/images/news/2560x1600_TVS1_Imperius_vs_Diablo_wall1_by_Holyknight3000.jpg
http://orig01.deviantart.net/9d33/f/2012/141/1/8/imperius_diablo_3_by_subkulturee-d50kjox.jpg

Not disagreeing with your assessment per se, but I think the goal was definitely more to move Warhammer more away from the stuff that makes up traditional 'Fantasy' (that can't really be claimed as IP) and more into stuff that is definitively 'Warhammer' (and thus, easier to claim and protect as their IP).

If you look at all the models released during the End Times, I think you can definitely see that focus. The undead (Nagash) stuff was way more OTT and less straight-up undead. The Skaven suddenly had gatling guns and armor, and so on. Naturally the models in this new box set totally fall into line with that concept as well.

What will really be interesting to me is what they do when they get around to releasing new models for the ranges that are much more traditionally associated with generic Fantasy: Elves, Dwarves, Orcs...will we see the same kind of evolution towards something that is more protectable from an IP standpoint for these factions, and if so, what form exactly will they take?

 Shadowclaimer wrote:

 Manchu wrote:

 Shadowclaimer wrote:
Can a moderator change the title of OP?

Feel free to suggest an extremely concise alternative.

Well I wasn't expecting a moderator to be smart aleck over a simple request..

This post title is super misleading. Its basically like Slaanesh is being removed from the game entirely. A retcon implies all traces of the character are gone, histories, events, everything regarding them. This is far from a retcon, we even have leak evidence to the contrary now. All I asked is if it could be changed to avoid the annoying knee jerk reactions we're already seeing a lot of. There was no reason for an attitude, its not like i demanded it or put in a report.

This thread is already toxic without feeding into the frenzy of people thinking AOS is the end of existence for everything moreso than it already is.

What about "Slaanesh gone?"? It's ambiguous, yet not inaccurate.

 Azreal13 wrote:
The old symbol is likely the least protectable - if we see Slaanesh still present with a new badge, that'll be why.

This. Combined with their attempt to attract a new audience this provides them the perfect time to shore up their IP for future protection.

 Melcavuk wrote:
Vulkan like every primarch has no mother, atleast biologically.

It is far more likely just a reference to the beast Salamander, not the space marine.

Of course. I don't want to veer too far (or close to) off-topic, but I didn't mean that to be taken as anything literal or concrete with regards to the SM legion. The blurb even states that Vulcatrix is a beast explicitly. But my curiousity was on it alluding or having a sort of nod toward the 40k fluff at all. That would be neat.

I would strongly suspect the new fourth is The Horned Rat. The double horns remind me of the new verminlords. He did very well for himself in the End Times, I think he leveled up to the grownups table.

As to what becomes of Slaanesh... they can either use this for a great storyline in the game or sHe's been written out and I'll not be a happy chappie...


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 Dentry wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
The old symbol is likely the least protectable - if we see Slaanesh still present with a new badge, that'll be why.

This. Combined with their attempt to attract a new audience this provides them the perfect time to shore up their IP for future protection.

I think 3 circles of uncle nuggz is a lot less claimable than the slaaneshi symbol.

I'd agree. At the same time the only symbol I can think of that is similar to Nurgle's icon is the biohazard one. Someone unfamiliar with Warhammer probably wouldn't see it as being very iconic at all.

I remember the time a Skaven player wondered what sort of Horned Rat model my Keeper of Secrets was supposed to be.

But it's weird going to the GW site, going to the Race tab, clicking on Daemon, and seeing Lizardmen and four gods daemons, and to show when I stopped paying attention, male Hellstriders of Slaanesh.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I would strongly suspect the new fourth is The Horned Rat. The double horns remind me of the new verminlords. He did very well for himself in the End Times, I think he leveled up to the grownups table.

As to what becomes of Slaanesh... they can either use this for a great storyline in the game or sHe's been written out and I'll not be a happy chappie...


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 Dentry wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
The old symbol is likely the least protectable - if we see Slaanesh still present with a new badge, that'll be why.

This. Combined with their attempt to attract a new audience this provides them the perfect time to shore up their IP for future protection.

I think 3 circles of uncle nuggz is a lot less claimable than the slaaneshi symbol.

I don't know, three circles, set in a triangle and arranged in an oppositely orientated triangle is easy to describe, not, to my knowledge in any sort of wide commercial use and fairly unambiguous. Plus, I'm not sure it really resembles anything it could be accused of plagiarising?

 Dentry wrote:
I'd agree. At the same time the only symbol I can think of that is similar to Nurgle's icon is the biohazard one. Someone unfamiliar with Warhammer probably wouldn't see it as being very iconic at all.

Ah yes, apart from that one.

But still I think it can be taken as different enough to be protectable.

So I've gone through someof my more ancient lead miniatures from the 70s and 80s and I've started soaking many of them in Pine-Sol to remove the paint (after a week, I scrub with an old Oral-B sonic toothbrush).

The local GW store manager never let me use those ancient minis, even though some are Citadel minis, in any Fantasy game, so they've sat unused for decades.

Now, looking over these things, I'll be able to do at least three different HUGE KoW armies, all as individual diorama based units, for no cost other than the time to remodel, repaint, and rebase. This is in addition to my GW based WHFB armies.

There's a FLGS not far from me that says I can definitely do some KoW on their tables, too!

THANKS GAMES WORKSHOP!

 Xyxox wrote:
So I've gone through someof my more ancient lead miniatures from the 70s and 80s and I've started soaking many of them in Pine-Sol to remove the paint (after a week, I scrub with an old Oral-B sonic toothbrush).

The local GW store manager never let me use those ancient minis, even though some are Citadel minis, in any Fantasy game, so they've sat unused for decades.

Now, looking over these things, I'll be able to do at least three different HUGE KoW armies, all as individual diorama based units, for no cost other than the time to remodel, repaint, and rebase. This is in addition to my GW based WHFB armies.

There's a FLGS not far from me that says I can definitely do some KoW on their tables, too!

THANKS GAMES WORKSHOP!

Great, so you'll be posting in the KoW forum now, yes?

 Xyxox wrote:
So I've gone through someof my more ancient lead miniatures from the 70s and 80s and I've started soaking many of them in Pine-Sol to remove the paint (after a week, I scrub with an old Oral-B sonic toothbrush).

The local GW store manager never let me use those ancient minis, even though some are Citadel minis, in any Fantasy game, so they've sat unused for decades.

Now, looking over these things, I'll be able to do at least three different HUGE KoW armies, all as individual diorama based units, for no cost other than the time to remodel, repaint, and rebase. This is in addition to my GW based WHFB armies.

There's a FLGS not far from me that says I can definitely do some KoW on their tables, too!

THANKS GAMES WORKSHOP!

That's cool. I had lunch with Joe Neet today and we made plans for a large KOW tournament right around the time the 2nd edition books comes out. I've got two store armies I have to get cracking on.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:


Great, so you'll be posting in the KoW forum now, yes?

Pretty much.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:

 Xyxox wrote:
So I've gone through someof my more ancient lead miniatures from the 70s and 80s and I've started soaking many of them in Pine-Sol to remove the paint (after a week, I scrub with an old Oral-B sonic toothbrush).

The local GW store manager never let me use those ancient minis, even though some are Citadel minis, in any Fantasy game, so they've sat unused for decades.

Now, looking over these things, I'll be able to do at least three different HUGE KoW armies, all as individual diorama based units, for no cost other than the time to remodel, repaint, and rebase. This is in addition to my GW based WHFB armies.

There's a FLGS not far from me that says I can definitely do some KoW on their tables, too!

THANKS GAMES WORKSHOP!

Great, so you'll be posting in the KoW forum now, yes?

Probably not. I'd say every other post of his is related to KoW in this thread so I don't see him actually going to that forum (and staying) anytime soon...

 mikhaila wrote:

 Xyxox wrote:
So I've gone through someof my more ancient lead miniatures from the 70s and 80s and I've started soaking many of them in Pine-Sol to remove the paint (after a week, I scrub with an old Oral-B sonic toothbrush).

The local GW store manager never let me use those ancient minis, even though some are Citadel minis, in any Fantasy game, so they've sat unused for decades.

Now, looking over these things, I'll be able to do at least three different HUGE KoW armies, all as individual diorama based units, for no cost other than the time to remodel, repaint, and rebase. This is in addition to my GW based WHFB armies.

There's a FLGS not far from me that says I can definitely do some KoW on their tables, too!

THANKS GAMES WORKSHOP!

That's cool. I had lunch with Joe Neet today and we made plans for a large KOW tournament right around the time the 2nd edition books comes out. I've got two store armies I have to get cracking on.

Yeah, the paint jobs on these armies just aren't up to snuff with thematerials we have available today. Some of the paint is testors (and may take longer than a week of soak).

For those on this board who might look on eBay for GW minis, you can buy up metal minis with horrible paint jobs for a pittance and using Pine-Sol as the solvent to remove the pint, you can end up with a lot of metal minis for cheaper than new plastic.