Making Orks Competitive- Gather the Council, Prepare to Waaagh!

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**PipeAlley**

Ashkayel wrote:
Nithaniel wrote:
1. Am I right in assuming that you can't benefit from Run&Charge waagh because of the MA warboss being unable to run.

2. Whats the plan for handling armour and walkers. Is it just the PK's on the warbosses?

To complement Blackie's reply:

1. Don't forget the MAWB also prevents you from overwatching and making sweeping advances. However, if you have something else in combat, say a lone kopta, or a second mob of MAWB-less boyz, they can try a sweeping advance. About the run moves, I've not tried it yet, but you could always separate the MAWB from the boyz in the movement phase, and have the boyz run and charge a distant weak target, when the MAWB contribution is not really needed. Very situational, but it's something to keep up your sleeve. Having a barebone nob with the boyz helps for that matter.

2. Like Blackie said. The walker kills a few boyz, then the MAWB kills the walker.

I love MSU lists, but I also love this kind of list. It's why I always complement my MAWB trukks with single koptas, single mek gunz and/or 5-man lootas mobs.

Also you're going to lose some Trukks on the way. So what? The Trukks that survive can go back and get the other units. If you lose a couple Boyz in one unit, feel free to slap a second MAWB in there. The more Boyz they kill, the stronger and more concentrated your units become. Works great with the DLS MAWB's unit. The biggest issue with this list is still Ld. That's why the Boss' Ld 9 is so helpful.

Finally with multiple IC's it's easy to manipulate which Boss's take the wounds. A one wound Boss fights as well a unhurt one.

Half your army can take on their death star and 1-2 units can wipe most back field units. Deffkoptas provide multiple jinking cover, absorb overwatch, sweeping advance, turboboost for objectives. Also this list is fast and fun!!

**koooaei**

Ashkayel wrote:

2. Like Blackie said. The walker kills a few boyz, then the MAWB kills the walker.

Than the walker's explosion kills half the boyz around.

**Solar Shock**

Hey guys, been a long time since ive been in this thread. Good to see the Ork love is still strong

A few questions really since I stopped playing about a year and a half ago;

Have the Orks had anything new? (post all the Ork releases - New dex, Ghazz supp, the 2-3 books with formations etc..)

Are we still being left behind in the power creep? I saw a post a page back about some new eldar

?

Is there any rumours about 8th ed saving our greenskin asses? AKA Walkers becoming the

and me running my dred mobs!

AND WHATS THE LATEST ORK

??? Last games I was running stuff like MAWB on lootas, artillery... for all the SnP shenanigans, have you guys found anything else for the hilarity factor?

Da Boyz 'av 'ad no fightin' for too long an' da boyz ar gettin' restless!

**thenewgozoku**

Solar Shock wrote:
Hey guys, been a long time since ive been in this thread. Good to see the Ork love is still strong

A few questions really since I stopped playing about a year and a half ago;

Have the Orks had anything new? (post all the Ork releases - New dex, Ghazz supp, the 2-3 books with formations etc..)
Are we still being left behind in the power creep? I saw a post a page back about some new eldar ?
Is there any rumours about 8th ed saving our greenskin asses? AKA Walkers becoming the and me running my dred mobs!
AND WHATS THE LATEST ORK ??? Last games I was running stuff like MAWB on lootas, artillery... for all the SnP shenanigans, have you guys found anything else for the hilarity factor?

Da Boyz 'av 'ad no fightin' for too long an' da boyz ar gettin' restless!

Nothing new for da boyz for a year and a half, at least nothing good.

**Blackie**

Only that crappy useless plane that made other planes cost 40% more.

**koooaei**

Hey! We're featured in Shadow Wars Armageddon. The new necromundula-like killteam with 2-d (ish) edition rules. And 8-th is coming promising some interesting changes like those who charge always strike first, save modifiers are going to be back and stuff like that. So, it's impossible to say how things will be.

**PipeAlley**

koooaei wrote:
Ashkayel wrote:

2. Like Blackie said. The walker kills a few boyz, then the MAWB kills the walker.

Than the walker's explosion kills half the boyz around.

Exactly right!!! Good ol' 5th edition where I lost a majority of my Boyz to exploding vehicles!

**Nithaniel**

great replies thanks.
I'm planning on testing out a list like this with triple CAD and 9 koptas with 3 squads of min lootas and a mix of KMK, kannon and lobba support. most excited i've been about my orks in a long while.

I typically play garage hammer against a fluffy eldar lists (that still destroy my orks) and fluffy CSM lists. I play in a non FW meta so this is great!

**Anpu-adom**

Posted this on the Army List forum..
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/724008.page

Long and the short of it... 40 kill points in a Battle Forged Ork Army. 2 Waagh! Bands (10 kill points each), 10 Rokkit Buggies, 3 Traktor Kannons, and 7 other artillery. You still have better than 150 points for upgrades after adding Mega Armor to the Nobs and Warboss.

**PipeAlley**

Are the Mek Gunz independent units as well?

**Anpu-adom**

Yep... That will be a looooonnnnnggg moving phase, and a looooooonnnnnnggggg shooting phase.

**Jambles**

It'd be great to have the Orkanauts brought into the superheavy camp - Dawn of War 3 seems to think so!

**davou**

OMG guys, its happeneing!!! We're gonna need a new thread!

**thenewgozoku**

Three major categories in New edition. We are with xenos ofc but it is weird to be with tau and eldar.

**Grimskul**

Definitely stoked about the news for 8th ed. Having a relative playing field amongst all the factions with all the rules being released around the same time will hopefully mean all factions are viable rather than the disparate tiers we have now. (though there'll definitely be cheese in some form). Make Ork characters great again! (and invulns. please Gork give us our invulns back)

**thenewgozoku**

At least this time we won't have the first and experimental codex of the new edition. Hopefully.

**r_squared**

I'm just looking forward to fielding some fun walker based lists.

**Blackie**

My orks are not going to be allied to anybody, that's for sure

**thenewgozoku**

Blackie wrote:
My orks are not going to be allied to anybody, that's for sure

We don't know if there will be "allies" in the new edition.

**biggie_reg**

Hopefully they will balance out the factions in the new edition. Ican't wait to see how they adjust the units to make them viable (I'm looking at you Flash Gitz and Gorkanauts!)

**thenewgozoku**

Gorkanauts please! Hopefully they will be good because they have them in Dawn of war 3

**biggie_reg**

I really want an excuse to buy/use a Gorkanaut/Morkanaut. I really like the model and I could finally work towards a dread mob that wouldn't just explode turn 1.

**Anpu-adom**

r_squared wrote:I'm just looking forward to fielding some fun walker based lists.

thenewgozoku wrote:Gorkanauts please! Hopefully they will be good because they have them in Dawn of war 3

biggie_reg wrote:I really want an excuse to buy/use a Gorkanaut/Morkanaut. I really like the model and I could finally work towards a dread mob that wouldn't just explode turn 1.

All of the above... my 1500 points of Dread Mob definitely needs to see the table.
There are a lot of leaders in AoS that make various units Battleline... I'm hoping that a Big Mek will make Killa Kans or Def Dreads the equivalent of Battleline.

**thenewgozoku**

That would be awsome

**Jambles**

Very excited to see what the new rules will be in 8th. It's always a party when Orks get an update!

**gungo**

Jambles wrote:
Very excited to see what the new rules will be in 8th. It's always a party when Orks get an update!

I think orks will change most from a new edition. Not just becuase thier role as an assault horde army can only improve but becuase there is a huge question mark on what rules they add or take away for forgeworld. Models like zhardsnark has been a huge crutch for many ork players and to a lesser extent buzzgrob stompa and the ever resilient killbursta tank.

**davou**

Its also fairly impossible to suggest that orks are not overcosted for what they get at this point.

Unless leadership and armor suddenly play a much less central role in the game than they do now, orks suffer from not having what a lot of other armies get and having to deal with the things that others get to ignore.

**JimOnMars**

Don't forget we get actual 40k rules now for Squigoths and (if you can afford him) the Gargantuan Squiggoth! Looking forward to seeing what those rules will be like. Mabye an alternative to trukks & BWs.

**thenewgozoku**

I guess that i would need more boyz and trukks if we are going to be a true horde army.

**gungo**

JimOnMars wrote:
Don't forget we get actual 40k rules now for Squigoths and (if you can afford him) the Gargantuan Squiggoth! Looking forward to seeing what those rules will be like. Mabye an alternative to trukks & BWs.

Forgeworld are parring down thier models for 40k right now so who knows what makes the cut or what doesn't make the cut and if they do rules for oop models.