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2015/05/11 17:52:43
Subject: Game of Thrones Season 5 - Hyped! [SPOILERS]
Compel wrote: I feel kinda disappointed that 'Lady Stoneheart', to avoid book spoilers, I'll just say, doesn't seem to be an important enough character to be in the show.
Yes, that's the one thing that I am SEVERELY disappointed -verging- on- angry about. Such a great character. I hope they introduce her next season at least. Non book readers: if you think the show is dark, you know nothing.
2015/05/11 17:56:10
Subject: Re:Game of Thrones Season 5 - Hyped! [SPOILERS]
Kill Jon - seriously get rid of him and all the dull people at the wall.
Disagree. His character keeps getting better, and it's pretty clear he's going to be the resurrected Azor Ahai. Especially since Jon's sword, Like Azor Ahai's, was essentially "reborn." Although, interestingly, and not that I think about it...if we look at the sword reborn portion....it could also be Jaime or Brienne.....
See, I like the idea that...
Spoiler:
...Lightbringer isn't an actual sword, but the Nights' Watch itself. That basically it's a clue that Azor Ahai will wield the Night's Watch. Look at the oath.
"Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come."
Compel wrote: I feel kinda disappointed that 'Lady Stoneheart', to avoid book spoilers, I'll just say, doesn't seem to be an important enough character to be in the show.
She could still appear, though. But I think Coldhands is completely gonzo.
Honestly, I miss a lot of the background stuff, such as the stories of the Night's King, and of the Knight of the Laughing Tree. It's not just that they were cool stories, it's that they felt important to the plot, you know?
HOWEVER, I'm starting to think that we may yet hear about some of these things at a different time, as they slowly build up the White Walkers/Others and Rhaegar and Lyanna's story.
Kill Jon - seriously get rid of him and all the dull people at the wall.
Disagree. His character keeps getting better, and it's pretty clear he's going to be the resurrected Azor Ahai. Especially since Jon's sword, Like Azor Ahai's, was essentially "reborn." Although, interestingly, and not that I think about it...if we look at the sword reborn portion....it could also be Jaime or Brienne.....
Also, this season has been fantastic so far. And last night's episode was great.
Agreed this seasons rocks .
No interest in Jon/Azor Ahai - give me Dragon Queens any day, you want to light up the night - do it with Dragon fire....its the only way to be sure.....
Establish Dany as Queen advised by Jorah, Tryion and Varis - everybody wins - and if they don;t well - Dragon fire.............
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Sigvatr wrote: I'm happy about it. Magic in GoT has always been less shiny and fantasy-ish than in regular Fantasy novels. I didn't like the part in the books and am happy the series doesn't follow.
I do hope for them to just kill the young Starks. They bore both of us to death and that magic-leaf-child stuff is just stupid.
Not true. It has always been there, just dormant and in the background. A key theme of the Song of Ice and Fire universe is that magic, long believed to be the stuff of myth and legend, is slowly creeping back into the world. Hence the dragons, white walkers, Red Priests, Faceless Men, Qyburn, Bloodraven and the Children of the forest etc.
Hell, the very first chapter featured a terrifying race of Ice demons that can create zombies.
If you don't like those High Fantasy parts, prepare to be disappointed. The last two books will be stuffed full of it.
Kill Jon - seriously get rid of him and all the dull people at the wall.
Disagree. His character keeps getting better, and it's pretty clear he's going to be the resurrected Azor Ahai. Especially since Jon's sword, Like Azor Ahai's, was essentially "reborn." Although, interestingly, and not that I think about it...if we look at the sword reborn portion....it could also be Jaime or Brienne.....
Also, this season has been fantastic so far. And last night's episode was great.
Agreed this seasons rocks .
No interest in Jon/Azor Ahai - give me Dragon Queens any day, you want to light up the night - do it with Dragon fire....its the only way to be sure.....
Establish Dany as Queen advised by Jorah, Tryion and Varis - everybody wins - and if they don;t well - Dragon fire.............
Dude... Jon and Danny are the two most important characters in the story. Two sides of the same coin. Ice and Fire.
Spoiler:
Or maybe that's just Jon, and Danny is a red herring. (The Targs do tend towards madness after all ).
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2015/05/11 18:14:24
Subject: Game of Thrones Season 5 - Hyped! [SPOILERS]
I'm happy about it. Magic in GoT has always been less shiny and fantasy-ish than in regular Fantasy novels. I didn't like the part in the books and am happy the series doesn't follow. I do hope for them to just kill the young Starks. They bore both of us to death and that magic-leaf-child stuff is just stupid.
Agreed - its painful to read and as far as I am concerend they coud never mention any of the younger Starks and nothing would be lost from the actual real story.
Not true. It has always been there, just dormant and in the background. A key theme of the Song of Ice and Fire universe is that magic, long believed to be the stuff of myth and legend, is slowly creeping back into the world. Hence the dragons, white walkers, Red Priests, Faceless Men, Qyburn, Bloodraven and the Children of the forest etc. Hell, the very first chapter featured a terrifying race of Ice demons that can create zombies. If you don't like those High Fantasy parts, prepare to be disappointed. The last two books will be stuffed full of it.
If he ever writes them....
the ice Wraiths are cool - pity he never did anything with them......like most of the decent stuff he created - he let them slide and focussed on tiresome minor characters and wanabee elves- IMO
No interest in Jon/Azor Ahai - give me Dragon Queens any day, you want to light up the night - do it with Dragon fire....its the only way to be sure.....
Establish Dany as Queen advised by Jorah, Tryion and Varis - everybody wins - and if they don;t well - Dragon fire.............
Dude... Jon and Danny are the two most important characters in the story. Two sides of the same coin. Ice and Fire.
Spoiler:
Or maybe that's just Jon, and Danny is a red herring. (The Targs do tend towards madness after all ).
As I siad - I don't care about Jon - in the show or books....and which is more effective against ice monsters - a ragtag army with a pinning boy at their head or a Queen with Dragons and armies......and of course the Red Priests also see Dany as the instrument of their god (not that thats completely a good thing)
She might be a little mad - but I like that in my fantasy women At least the show gets her right in attitude if not quite right in appearance.....
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Sigvatr wrote: I'm happy about it. Magic in GoT has always been less shiny and fantasy-ish than in regular Fantasy novels. I didn't like the part in the books and am happy the series doesn't follow.
I do hope for them to just kill the young Starks. They bore both of us to death and that magic-leaf-child stuff is just stupid.
Not true. It has always been there, just dormant and in the background. A key theme of the Song of Ice and Fire universe is that magic, long believed to be the stuff of myth and legend, is slowly creeping back into the world. Hence the dragons, white walkers, Red Priests, Faceless Men, Qyburn, Bloodraven and the Children of the forest etc.
Hell, the very first chapter featured a terrifying race of Ice demons that can create zombies.
If you don't like those High Fantasy parts, prepare to be disappointed. The last two books will be stuffed full of it.[/spoiler]
That's not what I've said. I said that it "has always been", thus implying that it's been like this until the very point of where we're now. I am well aware of the underlying theme and the return of magic being closely tied to the increasing power and return of the dragons. Lady Stoneheart, however, just came out of nowhere...and let's not talk about the Children of the Dude-How-High-Was-Martin-When-He-Wrote-This. Uargh.
Dude... Jon and Danny are the two most important characters in the story. Two sides of the same coin. Ice and Fire.
Spoiler:
Or maybe that's just Jon, and Danny is a red herring. (The Targs do tend towards madness after all ).
As I siad - I don't care about Jon - in the show or books....and which is more effective against ice monsters - a ragtag army with a pinning boy at their head or a Queen with Dragons and armies......and of course the Red Priests also see Dany as the instrument of their god (not that thats completely a good thing)
She might be a little mad - but I like that in my fantasy women At least the show gets her right in attitude if not quite right in appearance.....
Well you see, I'm not entirely convinced that the White Walkers (Ice) are the bad guys, and the Dragons/Red Priests of Rhllor are the good guys. GRRM has said that he dislikes simplistic black and white stories where's it's perfectly clear who the good guys And bad guys are (LOTR. As much as I love LOTR, it is a reasonably accurate criticism). It's more likely that neither side, Ice or Fire, is truly evil or good. Rather they're just two sides of the same coin, two diametrically opposed sides waging war against each other (The "Great Other" vs Rhllor) with humanity Caught in the middle.
Humanity has to pick a side.
On one side, we have the zombie raising White Walker ice demons (who are apparently humans transformed by ice magic). The Starks with their magical animal warging abilities.
And on the other side, we have the dragons - vicious, dangerous monsters. Shadow demon babies. Sentient "zombies" resurrected using fire magic (Beric Dondarrion says that every time you're resurrected this way, a part of your soul is lost). Oh, and the Red Priests practice a brutal form of human sacrifice (burning).
I don't think the climax of the story will be the ultimate victory of one side over the other. Rather, I think the story will end with Peace. Like in Star Wars, "The Force" (magic) must be brought into balance.
There was a cool theory I read once on the ASOIAF forums...[not really a spoiler, just a wildly speculative theory].
Spoiler:
The Long Night was a devastating war between the forces of Ice (White Walkers) and Fire (Rhllor) which ended with a sort of peace treaty. The Wall was therefore built with the help of the White Walkers... [spoiler](which might explain why the one thing capable of destroying The Wall, Joramund's horn, has never been found. Mance Rayder claimed to posses it, but he never proved it was genuine. The White Walkers probably posses it because they made it.
...The Wall is a sort of De-Militarized Zone, policed by a force of peacekeepers (the Nights Watch). North of the wall is White Walker territory, south of the Wall is Rhllor territory.
The Night's King was a human Lord Commander who took a White Walker for a bride/Queen as part of the treaty. But the Nights Watch revolted and drove them out.
Over 8 thousand years, the original purpose of the Nights Watch and the Wall was forgotten, and the words of the Oath were twisted beyond recognition as the truth passed into legend and myth.
But now, a second "Long Night" is coming and the White Walkers are stirring once again, because one side has broken the treaty. Perhaps the White Walkers are making a second attempt at conquest, or its a pre emptive strike to stop Rhllor.
Or maybe its all just cyclical as the seasons fluctuate.
Crackpot I know, but I like it.
Personally, as much as I'm a fan of the Starks with Jon and Arya being my favourite characters book and show (though I do like where the show version of Daenerys is going so she might be my third), I support a third side...
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2015/05/11 19:40:50
Subject: Re:Game of Thrones Season 5 - Hyped! [SPOILERS]
Ohh I def agree that the two sides are not good or evil - Might even be the old Chaos (Fire) and Order (Ice) or something else...... Humanity could do the whole - I don't want to play your games but I dont think thats going to work in this universe.
It also often overlooked that Dany's ancestors are not completely human - (personally I imagine them as a lost Melnibonean colony as they interbred with humans ) and Old Valyrian where the Dragon Lords ruled still burns from what happened several hundred years ago However the hippy elements really don't seem to fit very well for me.
Star Wars was much more simplistic than LOTRIMO - and the original films only ended with a major victory not the end of the war - rebellions seldom end in peace - usually reprisals and exploitation.
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Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Anyway, once the show is concluded I would fething love for a feature film focusing on Roberts rebellion, featuring Eddard, Lyanna, Rickard and Brandon Stark, Robert and Stannis Baratheon, Rhaegar and Aerys Targaryen, Barristan Selmy, Jaime and Tywin Lannister, etc.
It would be perfect for a prequel film. All the groundwork and mystery regarding the infamous X + Y = Z theory will have been concluded in season 7 and everyone will know the truth. It would be to the GOT show, what the Hobbit trilogy was to the LOTR. (
Yep. Everything about that sounds fantastic.
So....lets do some fanboy wishlist casting...
Lyanna -- Kiera Knightly too old? Maybe Hayley Atwell?
Rickard - Is Ian McShane or Billy Connoly too old?
Brandon - Christian Bale?
Rhaegar - I mean...I'm probably over typecasting here, but Lee Pace has to be on the table...
2015/05/11 19:49:45
Subject: Re:Game of Thrones Season 5 - Hyped! [SPOILERS]
To the guy who expressed disappointment regarding Lady Stoneheart being cut from the show, I just noticed something on the show's Wiki!
Spoiler:
In the books, the Red Priest's magical ability to resurrect people is referred to as "The Gift". Episode 7 is called "The Gift". Thats too specific to be a coincidence, surely!
2015/05/11 19:50:17
Subject: Game of Thrones Season 5 - Hyped! [SPOILERS]
Mr Morden wrote: and Old Valyrian where the Dragon Lords ruled still burns from what happened several hundred years ago
Not according to the show. Seriously, the show's depiction of Valyria was disappointing. I mean, it was cool and all, a sunken dead city overgrown with a jungle is really cool (I'd like to make one in Minecraft), but its not how Valyria was described in the books. Where are the smoking, burning volcanoes? Where are the (rumoured) demons? This is supposed to be a legendary place feared by the entire world where only the most foolhardy and brave dare tread (Euron Greyjoy). Instead, it just looked like your average, generic ruined city.
Star Wars was much more simplistic than LOTRIMO - and the original films only ended with a major victory not the end of the war - rebellions seldom end in peace - usually reprisals and exploitation.
True, but thats only because the Expanded Universe was retconned out of existence so of JJ Abrams could make an original story with the Empire surviving. Originally, Ep VI spelled the beginning of the end for the Empire, which quickly collapsed into a small "Imperial Remnant".
Or not. Maybe thats an oversimplification. I only read a handful of EU books, the rest of my knowledge is second hand info from the wikis.
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Necros wrote: I think they're setting up John Snow to be viciously attacked by white walkers in the next episode, so he can be singlehandedly rescued by Hodor.
AH not seen the latest episode - wathcing tomorrow - shame Valyaria burning was a great image and possible warning......
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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
They really ought to have just called it "the Rhoynar" like in the books, or a Valryian city on the outskirts of Valryia which was destroyed and flooded by the tidal wave but not the Valyrian capital / the epicentre of the Valryian doom.
Shadow Captain Edithae wrote: Anyway, once the show is concluded I would fething love for a feature film focusing on Roberts rebellion, featuring Eddard, Lyanna, Rickard and Brandon Stark, Robert and Stannis Baratheon, Rhaegar and Aerys Targaryen, Barristan Selmy, Jaime and Tywin Lannister, etc.
It would be perfect for a prequel film. All the groundwork and mystery regarding the infamous X + Y = Z theory will have been concluded in season 7 and everyone will know the truth. It would be to the GOT show, what the Hobbit trilogy was to the LOTR. (
Yep. Everything about that sounds fantastic.
So....lets do some fanboy wishlist casting...
Lyanna -- Kiera Knightly too old? Maybe Hayley Atwell?
Rickard - Is Ian McShane or Billy Connoly too old?
Brandon - Christian Bale?
Rhaegar - I mean...I'm probably over typecasting here, but Lee Pace has to be on the table...
Lee Pace is bloody perfect.
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2015/05/11 20:19:43
Subject: Re:Game of Thrones Season 5 - Hyped! [SPOILERS]
It's definitely difficult to see R'hllor as a purely benevolent force. And the show revealed what the WW/Others do with those babies, which wasn't as malevolent as we might have expected ("reproduction" as opposed to sacrificing them, etc.). It might be a Babylon 5-style setup.
One of the interesting parts of the Night's King story (I guess I should spoiler this for those who haven't read the books?)
Spoiler:
...is that he might have been a Stark. The story certainly makes him out to be a bad guy, but that might be perspective and/or distortion. It's interesting to note that Jon has some clear parallels to the Night's King (a Stark, commander of NW, took a bride/girlfriend from beyond the wall (Ygritte...or Val?), NW wasn't happy with it, etc.). Is a cycle repeating? Perhaps we'll learn more about the NK in the show, because we've probably seen him there (the WW with the crown of horns), even if the story was only told in the books.
I also think it's possible that R'hllor and the Great Other are two sides of the same diety.
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That was my thought - Order and Chaos...neither better than the other in the long run (although I have a thing for the Shadows, odly enough)
Well they did talk about the "one God" in the recent epsiode in Bravos and all the Gods being but aspects?
No idea who Lee Pace is - but I am useless at actors..........
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I haven't actually watched a single episode of this season. But I've never been a real fan of GOM. I prefer the older books and I think my dislike of the last two has put me off a bit.
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2015/05/11 21:24:28
Subject: Re:Game of Thrones Season 5 - Hyped! [SPOILERS]
Mr Morden wrote: No idea who Lee Pace is - but I am useless at actors..........
He's the most fabulous actor on this planet!
Spoiler:
Also goes by the name of Thranduil...
Ah right thanks - yes he was good in the Hobbit I'll aks my firend if she thinks he is good looking enough for the Valyrian prince or she has a better idea........
In terms of appearance I actually liked more the original casting of Tamzin Merchant for Dany - Emila Clarke has done very very well though as has pretty much all the cast - they werre very well chosen tbh.
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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Mr Morden wrote: In terms of appearance I actually liked more the original casting of Tamzin Merchant for Dany - Emila Clarke has done very very well though as has pretty much all the cast - they werre very well chosen tbh.
Well...except for the Mountain. The first (Season 1) and the third actors (Season 4) suited the role well. But the Season 2 actor (a placeholder actor really), though tall enough, didn't really project his sheer presence. IIRC the character only had one scene in Season 2. They ought to have cut it and left it till S4 to reintroduce him in the flesh, or just stuck a large stunt man / body builder in a suit of armour with a full helm obscuring him.
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2015/05/12 23:13:50
Subject: Re:Game of Thrones Season 5 - Hyped! [SPOILERS]
Dany was simply glorious -everything the GRM failed to write in the recent books - hopefully he will correct his errors.
oh and Ramsey, his dad and girlfriend are scene stealers.
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"I will admit that some Primachs like Russ or Horus could have a chance against an unarmed 12 year old novice but, a full Battle Sister??!! One to one? In close combat? Perhaps three Primarchs fighting together... but just one Primarch?" da001
Sigvatr wrote: Can we get less Daenarys and more Tyrion scenes please? :(
Why? Best bits in the show imo - her feeding the dragons was a glorious scene............ Tyrion / Jorah was good but Dany asserting herself was a joy to behold........
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Not according to the show. Seriously, the show's depiction of Valyria was disappointing. I mean, it was cool and all, a sunken dead city overgrown with a jungle is really cool (I'd like to make one in Minecraft), but its not how Valyria was described in the books. Where are the smoking, burning volcanoes? Where are the (rumoured) demons? This is supposed to be a legendary place feared by the entire world where only the most foolhardy and brave dare tread (Euron Greyjoy). Instead, it just looked like your average, generic ruined city.
Probably went this route purely because of budgetary reasons...
To do a 'still burning/smoldering city' that's safe for their actors and crew to film in, would likely have meant building a decent sized set on a green stage and then gone heavy on the CG.
know they do use CG sets for some wide-out/overhead shots, but I don't think they've yet done a major CG set with cast members actually on screen.
2015/05/13 15:01:15
Subject: Game of Thrones Season 5 - Hyped! [SPOILERS]
Sigvatr wrote: Can we get less Daenarys and more Tyrion scenes please? :(
Why? Best bits in the show imo - her feeding the dragons was a glorious scene............ Tyrion / Jorah was good but Dany asserting herself was a joy to behold........
Not according to the show. Seriously, the show's depiction of Valyria was disappointing. I mean, it was cool and all, a sunken dead city overgrown with a jungle is really cool (I'd like to make one in Minecraft), but its not how Valyria was described in the books. Where are the smoking, burning volcanoes? Where are the (rumoured) demons? This is supposed to be a legendary place feared by the entire world where only the most foolhardy and brave dare tread (Euron Greyjoy). Instead, it just looked like your average, generic ruined city.
Probably went this route purely because of budgetary reasons...
To do a 'still burning/smoldering city' that's safe for their actors and crew to film in, would likely have meant building a decent sized set on a green stage and then gone heavy on the CG.
know they do use CG sets for some wide-out/overhead shots, but I don't think they've yet done a major CG set with cast members actually on screen.
My issue is not with the set, my issue is with the name they gave it and the fact that they've deliberately ignored a very evocative part of the Lore (that Valyria is still burning 300 years later) to replace it with a generic overgrown ruined city.
Valryia is not a flooded ruined city overgrown with a jungle. Its a roiling, burning, smoking wasteland and flooded ruin wracked by active volcanoes and supposedly haunted by demons and all manner of foul creatures.
There were several Valryian cities and colonies surrounding Valryia itself (the capital, like Rome). Rather than deliberately ignoring how GRRM described Valyria, I would have preferred it if the show had picked one of those Valryian cities/colonies on the outskirts of Valyria instead, to stay true to the book and retain a degree of mystery.
Tyrion: "Is this Valyria?"
Jorah: "No. This is [insert Valryian city here]. That is Valryia." <Points to the glowing red horizon>
According to the wiki, there were at least two other cities in close proximity to Valyria - Tyria and Oros. They should have picked one of those.
And yes I'm nitpicking. I'm a nerd.
2015/05/13 16:31:07
Subject: Game of Thrones Season 5 - Hyped! [SPOILERS]
Sigvatr wrote: Can we get less Daenarys and more Tyrion scenes please? :(
Why? Best bits in the show imo - her feeding the dragons was a glorious scene............ Tyrion / Jorah was good but Dany asserting herself was a joy to behold........
Daenarys isn't interesting. She is a terrible leader and while the books portray it better, even in the series, she just sucks at the job. The dragon feeding scene was bad, in my eyes, as it tried to make her look "badass" when in fact, we have just seen her incompetence and immaturity in the last episode. Extremely uninteresting character. Not as bad as Dorne or, gods beware, the magical Stark boys, but very meh-ish.
My main problem is the poor portrayal in the series. Her character doesn't feel genuine because we are shown two very different sides. The series tries to make her look more empowering and less of a "victim" than she is in the books, but that doesn't rhyme with her immense incompetence. Her (series) character has a few very rough edges.
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cincydooley wrote: I thought the Valyria scenes were great. Seeing Drogon's shadow looming above gave me legit chills.
Hell...my first thought on them seeing Drogon was Drogon swooping down to get one and half men and a toothpick
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Jihadin, Scorched Earth 791. Leader of the Pork Eating Crusader. Alpha
At least the show gets her right in attitude if not quite right in appearance.....
Seriously, the show's depiction of Valyria was disappointing. I mean, it was cool and all, a sunken dead city overgrown with a jungle is really cool (I'd like to make one in Minecraft), but its not how Valyria was described in the books. Where are the smoking, burning volcanoes? Where are the (rumoured) demons? This is supposed to be a legendary place feared by the entire world where only the most foolhardy and brave dare tread (Euron Greyjoy). Instead, it just looked like your average, generic ruined city.
