Game of Thrones - The Discussion! p 83 season 7 rumours[SPOILERS]

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**Shadow Captain Edithae**

So...just two and a half hours to go!

Fun fact: Did anyone know that there was a massive spoiler at the end of the final trailer?

Spoiler:

**d-usa**

If everybody and their dog is speculating that "John Snow is dead and he will be resurrected!" and the only reply is "listen, John Snow is dead", then they weren't trying all that hard to begin with

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Oh ffs. I thought GOT was airing at 10pm today (Sunday 24th in the UK). Turns out it airs at 2am and the program at 10pm is just the highlights of previous seasons. I was just about to start getting my popcorn ready.

**Compel**

Yeah, simulcast with the states.

**Alpharius**

Since we are now passing the books, for the most part, they kind of had to do it that way!

**d-usa**

What's the summary of the spoiler summary now? Spoiler book talk or show talk?

**Alpharius**

We are in all new territory now - if you're only a GoT book reader, you be best served by staying out of this thread and...off the internet entirely, until George gets moving?

**d-usa**

I was thinking that during the last season we settled on spoilering show talk, but that "well, in the book X does Y, so it will be interesting to see if the show does Y as well" kind of stuff was okay. But I wanted to double check.

**nels1031**

Note to self: When you take a woman home from now on, make sure you don't take off any of her jewelry....

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Imma just gonna guess that Melisandre is a

Spoiler:

**djones520**

d-usa wrote:
I was thinking that during the last season we settled on spoilering show talk, but that "well, in the book X does Y, so it will be interesting to see if the show does Y as well" kind of stuff was okay. But I wanted to double check.

Last season book readers knew what was going on. This season, there are is no book for it, yet. It's all new.

That being said, I'm betting a good portion of it is going to be quite different from the books. Especially the Kings Landing stuff.

**Dr. What**

djones520 wrote:
d-usa wrote:
I was thinking that during the last season we settled on spoilering show talk, but that "well, in the book X does Y, so it will be interesting to see if the show does Y as well" kind of stuff was okay. But I wanted to double check.

Last season book readers knew what was going on. This season, there are is no book for it, yet. It's all new.

That being said, I'm betting a good portion of it is going to be quite different from the books. Especially the Kings Landing stuff.

They were suprisingly closer to the books than I expected with this episode.

Spoiler:

Lena Headey's acting steals this episode again, for me. Just like when she was arrested, she tells the entire story with just her eyes.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Well, looks like Dorne is now utterly fething unsalvageable.

Spoiler:

**sirlynchmob**

djones520 wrote:
d-usa wrote:
I was thinking that during the last season we settled on spoilering show talk, but that "well, in the book X does Y, so it will be interesting to see if the show does Y as well" kind of stuff was okay. But I wanted to double check.

Last season book readers knew what was going on. This season, there are is no book for it, yet. It's all new.

That being said, I'm betting a good portion of it is going to be quite different from the books. Especially the Kings Landing stuff.

That's not entirely, there's a few story lines in the book that are further along than in the show.

Bran and arya for example.

Did I miss something though, I thought danerie landed with a dragon in front of the dothraki, how then does she end up a slave to them? Where did the dragon go?

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

Gendry and Melisandre: I ship them.

Episode 1 Spoiler:

Spoiler:

**Ustrello**

That was some great makeup for that last scene

**kronk**

I was entertained!

Spoiler:

**Compel**

My theory is that Ramsey will end up living out the shows conclusion.

He'll lose everything, his name, his men, his power, everything.

And he won't care one jot. He'll disappear off into the woods, where every so often, someone will come across a person nailed to a stake, flayed apart.

The way I see it, Ramsey is Game of Thrones equivalent of The Joker.

**Mr Morden**

Compel wrote:
My theory is that Ramsey will end up living out the shows conclusion.

He'll lose everything, his name, his men, his power, everything.

And he won't care one jot. He'll disappear off into the woods, where every so often, someone will come across a person nailed to a stake, flayed apart.

The way I see it, Ramsey is Game of Thrones equivalent of The Joker.

Not seen the episode yet - half an hour to go but this would be a great way to do it.

He is deeply unpleasent and great fun to watch............IMO.

Did I miss something though, I thought danerie landed with a dragon in front of the dothraki, how then does she end up a slave to them? Where did the dragon go?

Dany wondered off as the Dragon was licking its wounds and the Dothraki turned up..............

**kronk**

sirlynchmob wrote:

Did I miss something though, I thought danerie landed with a dragon in front of the dothraki, how then does she end up a slave to them? Where did the dragon go?

Yeah, Drogon was sleeping so she wandered off.

Never split the party!

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

No. The Dothraki do not capture her in the books (at least not yet). They'll have to get past Drogon, because she calls him to her before the horde arrives.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/A_Dance_with_Dragons-Chapter_71

Daenerys is walking back south through the Dothraki Sea towards Meereen, following a small rivulet that she thinks will flow into the Skahazadhan. She has spent her time flying Drogon,[1] but could not make him take her back.

Instead, they have been staying at his lair, a small cave in a hill she named Dragonstone as a reference to the place where she was born. She gets sick on the way,[2] and has a number of hallucinations as she lies in the grass, bleeding and dying. These include a vision of Quaithe, of Viserys Targaryen, and of Jorah Mormont, and seem to revolve around the idea of forgetting who she is.

Finally, a single Dothraki scout approaches her, but does not see her. The scout freezes as Drogon approaches, and then flees. Daenerys calls out for Drogon as he flies over, and mounts him. Drogon catches and devours a horse, and Dany joins him. This is how Khal Jhaqo, former ko of Khal Drogo,[3] accompanied by 50 of his warriors, finds her.

**thenoobbomb**

Dorne somehow got even worse.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

thenoobbomb wrote:
Dorne somehow got even worse.

The Dorne plotline is now fan fiction quality.

If they're really so obsessed with truncating Dorne to save screen time, they should have sent Trystane off to Meereen to fill in for Quentyn Martell, Doran should have confided in Ellaria that he was plotting revenge all along and her petty little schemes were interfering with that, then put her under house arrest whilst sending the Sand Snakes off to Old Town immediately to atone for Ellaria's crime (murdering Myrcella).

And, should "Aegon" turn up in the Stormlands in a future Season, Ellaria could fill in for Arianne Martell, acting as a representative and diplomat to open contact with Aegon. Otherwise, if Aegon has been cut permanently, then Arianne is superfluous to requirements and therefore so is Ellaria.

**Mr Morden**

thenoobbomb wrote:
Dorne somehow got even worse.

It was the weakest bit in the show - although they could not have done anything else given the end of last season. The two sisters debating who was to kill the prince was at least watchable.

I am not sure what point there is to the Dorne story now - except as someone else for Cerci to wreak vengeance on..........

rest of the episode

usual dull J.Snow bit - did I miss why they were not worried about him reanimating like everyone else?
Ramsey and co - good bit
Cool Brienne bit
Varis and Tyrion are always worth watching
Good Dany and co bit
Aria been trained was nice
Interesting twist with Melisande

All in all good episode - at least the stroy is actually progressing (something the novels gave up on ages ago)

**Compel**

I think the people that only actually really believe the White Walkers are a real threat and coming are #TeamDavros.

The rest of them think it's just a case of, "ok, walkers exist, sorta, yeah, I guess we saw something weirdish once, yeah, whatever, down with the wildlings."

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

#TeamDavros?

Do you mean these guys?

Spoiler:

**Compel**

Nah, this guy.

Spoiler:

**easysauce**

I dont get it... why is the nights watch rolling over so badly after their leader was killed... did they seriously just flee an army of white walkers and then go "hmmm, got bigger fish to fry then that army of undead. lets try fighting amoungst ourselves for a bit."

Other then that it was a decent episode for a season opener, though it did tend to put not enough time on too many characters, I suppose that is forgivable since its opening the season and so refreshing each story line.

**Shadow Captain Edithae**

tbh I think they should have just executed Ellaria and the Sand Snakes for murdering Myrcella then ignored Dorne for the rest of the show's lifespan. Nothing of value would have been lost. Dorne stopped being interesting the moment Oberyn died and killing off Doran Martell was a criminal waste of a great actor.

**easysauce**

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
tbh I think they should have just executed Ellaria and the Sand Snakes for murdering Myrcella then ignored Dorne for the rest of the show's lifespan. Nothing of value would have been lost. Dorne stopped being interesting the moment Oberyn died and killing off Doran Martell was a criminal waste of a great actor.

It might be a way to get bronn (may have the wrong name, mercinary guy who went with jamie) back into the thick of things?

Unless its that, I agree, what a waste.