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Ramsay's had very little character growth since he was first introduced. He was entertaining to begin with, but frankly he's beginning to bore me. The one interesting thing he did this Season was kill Roose Bolton. Whats he going to do going forward? Flay more people? We've seen that already. Rape more people? Set his hounds on someone?

Ramsay continuing to be a thorn in the Stark's side is just going to drag things out longer than necessary and distract from more important story lines, like the impending Long Night and Danny's invasion of Westeros.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Ramsay's had very little character growth since he was first introduced. He was entertaining to begin with, but frankly he's beginning to bore me. The one interesting thing he did this Season was kill Roose Bolton. Whats he going to do going forward? Flay more people? We've seen that already. Rape more people? Set his hounds on someone?

Ramsay continuing to be a thorn in the Stark's side is just going to drag things out longer than necessary and distract from more important story lines, like the impending Long Night and Danny's invasion of Westeros.

Rape his hounds while flaying people?
Rape while flaying his hounds?
Stab a dude 37 times and eat the victims hands about of boredom?

Come on HBO, get interesting!

Or run away from the battle, escape into the forests a lone, powerless fugitive to become a myth of folklore. "Don't go into the woods or Ramsey Bolton will get you."

That's been my hope / theory anyhow.

 Compel wrote:
Or run away from the battle, escape into the forests a lone, powerless fugitive to become a myth of folklore. "Don't go into the woods or Ramsey Bolton will get you."

That's been my hope / theory anyhow.

Actual Cannibal Ramsay Bolton?

Something like this?

http://watchersonthewall.com/new-photos-game-thrones-season-6-episode-9-battle-bastards/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork


Ahem... Have some fun!

A lot of the battles have smaller armies winning by having a reinforcing army sweep in & turn the tide of battle
Battle of the Blackwater: Stannis is winning until Tywin & the Tyrell army show up & sweep away the Baratheon forces
Battle for Castle Black: The Wildlings are beating the Night's Watch until Stannis shows up & Captures Mance crushing the Wildings
Batlle(s) for Winterfell: Theon is able to oust the small garrison holding WInterfell before Ramsey shows upn with a larger host & retakes WInterfell

Somy prediction is that Bastardbowl starts out with Jon's side being outgnned by Ramsey's before Stannis & his army of "Desterters" show up to sweep away Ramsay's forces, at this point the KotV are so telegraphed it would be another really anti-climatic episode so the show runners should look to surprise the viewers

 Alpharius wrote:
Ramsay has become a tiresome, mustache-twirling caricature of a villain.

I hope Sunday sees the last of him!

Agreed. I'm ready for him to fething go.


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 Mr Morden wrote:

I can't see them letting Jon Snow loose yet another battle - he'd be worse than Stannis!

He lost at Hearthold (or whatever), but he repelled the Wildlings at the wall.


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 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:


Somy prediction is that Bastardbowl starts out with Jon's side being outgnned by Ramsey's before Stannis & his army of "Desterters" show up to sweep away Ramsay's forces, at this point the KotV are so telegraphed it would be another really anti-climatic episode so the show runners should look to surprise the viewers

I'm in a similar place. John is losing, and about to get ridden down, and then little finger shows up with the Knights of the Vail.

Stannis is dead. I believe the tall blonde chick from Star Wars when she says she killed him. Dead. With a sword.

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
A lot of the battles have smaller armies winning by having a reinforcing army sweep in & turn the tide of battle
Battle of the Blackwater: Stannis is winning until Tywin & the Tyrell army show up & sweep away the Baratheon forces
Battle for Castle Black: The Wildlings are beating the Night's Watch until Stannis shows up & Captures Mance crushing the Wildings
Batlle(s) for Winterfell: Theon is able to oust the small garrison holding WInterfell before Ramsey shows upn with a larger host & retakes WInterfell

Somy prediction is that Bastardbowl starts out with Jon's side being outgnned by Ramsey's before Stannis & his army of "Desterters" show up to sweep away Ramsay's forces, at this point the KotV are so telegraphed it would be another really anti-climatic episode so the show runners should look to surprise the viewers

Stannis is dead, Brienne chopped his head off - I guess he could do a Jon Snow and come back but that's unlikely?

Re surprise - who was actually surprised when Jon got resurrected.

I like Ramsey as a character but can't see how they would let him win any more battles? I don't really see how his character would have progressed - he is a raving Psycho and happy being so - why would he change.

Of course the battle will result in the only armies that could have fought the Undead being devastated. I think if the Undead had been a more obvious threat to those South of the wall we might have seen an uneasy alliance amongst the living but its just a power struggle now.

He lost at Hearthold (or whatever), but he repelled the Wildlings at the wall.

Stanis and his merc cavalry saved him IIRC?

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
A lot of the battles have smaller armies winning by having a reinforcing army sweep in & turn the tide of battle
Battle of the Blackwater: Stannis is winning until Tywin & the Tyrell army show up & sweep away the Baratheon forces
Battle for Castle Black: The Wildlings are beating the Night's Watch until Stannis shows up & Captures Mance crushing the Wildings
Batlle(s) for Winterfell: Theon is able to oust the small garrison holding WInterfell before Ramsey shows upn with a larger host & retakes WInterfell

Somy prediction is that Bastardbowl starts out with Jon's side being outgnned by Ramsey's before Stannis & his army of "Desterters" show up to sweep away Ramsay's forces, at this point the KotV are so telegraphed it would be another really anti-climatic episode so the show runners should look to surprise the viewers

Except Stannis is dead. There is no reason why Brienne would spare him.

Stannis can still come back as the Headless Horseman! A nightmarish, relentless rider with a blood list of twenty bolton names!

Well there is the fan theory that Stannis would join the White Walkers...

Even without a head?

Do Wight's need heads?

Anyway, we haven't seen the body yet. We don't know for sure that he was beheaded, or if he's even dead.

Heres a theory for the future. Jamie ends up killing the current king(his son) to rescue Cercie from the sparrows. He already said he would do anything to protect her. He is already the kingslayer, whats another time? And he no longer is one of the king's guard.

Hope the giants live and we see more of them. A shame they weren't given their mammoth mounts for the show.

Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:Do Wight's need heads?

Anyway, we haven't seen the body yet. We don't know for sure that he was beheaded, or if he's even dead.

Yes?

And I'm not convinced he's dead. Sure, he probably is, but...

Col. Dash wrote:Heres a theory for the future. Jamie ends up killing the current king(his son) to rescue Cercie from the sparrows. He already said he would do anything to protect her. He is already the kingslayer, whats another time? And he no longer is one of the king's guard.

That's not going to be happening!

At least, not on purpose.

I'd like to think that Stannis still lives, but its well known that D&D dislike his character and after the Arya debacle I'm inclined to believe a spade really is just a spade.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
I'd like to think that Stannis still lives, but its well known that D&D dislike his character and after the Arya debacle I'm inclined to believe a spade really is just a spade.

Yeah. They never explain why they hate him so much.

I mean in the books he isn't a religious fanatic. He just uses the religion to his advantage.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Do Wight's need heads?

Anyway, we haven't seen the body yet. We don't know for sure that he was beheaded, or if he's even dead.

Even when you are dead then you might not be dead - GRM has given himself plenty of ways to bring people back if he wants to. And thas without new super time travelling Bran

However Brienne was very pleased with hefself when she said she had killed him - I don't think she had any doubts

Col. Dash wrote:
Heres a theory for the future. Jamie ends up killing the current king(his son) to rescue Cercie from the sparrows. He already said he would do anything to protect her. He is already the kingslayer, whats another time? And he no longer is one of the king's guard.

Hope the giants live and we see more of them. A shame they weren't given their mammoth mounts for the show.

I think that Cercie will ultimately be the one to kill her last son, and hopefully that will snap Jamie out of it and allow him to pursue his retemptive streak.

 d-usa wrote:

Col. Dash wrote:
Heres a theory for the future. Jamie ends up killing the current king(his son) to rescue Cercie from the sparrows. He already said he would do anything to protect her. He is already the kingslayer, whats another time? And he no longer is one of the king's guard.

Hope the giants live and we see more of them. A shame they weren't given their mammoth mounts for the show.

I think that Cercie will ultimately be the one to kill her last son, and hopefully that will snap Jamie out of it and allow him to pursue his retemptive streak.

He is still on a redemptive streak - shown clearly in the last episode.

 Mr Morden wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

Col. Dash wrote:
Heres a theory for the future. Jamie ends up killing the current king(his son) to rescue Cercie from the sparrows. He already said he would do anything to protect her. He is already the kingslayer, whats another time? And he no longer is one of the king's guard.

Hope the giants live and we see more of them. A shame they weren't given their mammoth mounts for the show.

I think that Cercie will ultimately be the one to kill her last son, and hopefully that will snap Jamie out of it and allow him to pursue his retemptive streak.

He is still on a redemptive streak - shown clearly in the last episode.

Somewhat.

 d-usa wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

 d-usa wrote:

Col. Dash wrote:
Heres a theory for the future. Jamie ends up killing the current king(his son) to rescue Cercie from the sparrows. He already said he would do anything to protect her. He is already the kingslayer, whats another time? And he no longer is one of the king's guard.

Hope the giants live and we see more of them. A shame they weren't given their mammoth mounts for the show.

I think that Cercie will ultimately be the one to kill her last son, and hopefully that will snap Jamie out of it and allow him to pursue his retemptive streak.

He is still on a redemptive streak - shown clearly in the last episode.

Somewhat.

Spoiler:

in the books he realizes that she is crazy. During the trial she writes him a letter pleading for him to return because she needs him, and he ignored her. Instead he chooses to fix the problems in the realm, like getting the castle mess straightened out diplomatically without bloodshed. His split from Cersei is what makes him redeemable IMO

Books are different world - an alt universe if you will.

Show Jamie has evolved from the 1st Season character, having lost children and a hand, he tends to realsie what effect his actions have and now tries to do the right thing. However thats within the constraints of his world where violence and death is everywhere and nothing is certain.

Pretty cool pictures going on here.

Looks like we get to see a very pissed off jon snow next episode

We finally get to see a smart one too!
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/06/16/game-thrones-battle-bastards-preview?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

I wouldn't mind seeing Little John Umber turn on Ramsay and deliver him over to Sansa. That could set up an interesting story arc. Sansa needs a love interest that also helps her politically in regaining the loyalty of northern houses.

Prestor Jon wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing Little John Umber turn on Ramsay and deliver him over to Sansa. That could set up an interesting story arc. Sansa needs a love interest that also helps her politically in regaining the loyalty of northern houses.

Given who she is - marrying for love is extremely unlikely.

 Mr Morden wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing Little John Umber turn on Ramsay and deliver him over to Sansa. That could set up an interesting story arc. Sansa needs a love interest that also helps her politically in regaining the loyalty of northern houses.

Given who she is - marrying for love is extremely unlikely.

She doesn't need to marry for love but she needs to ally with somebody. Snow is a bastard, Littlefinger isn't trustworthy, who's she going to get that makes the Starks stronger in the north?

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing Little John Umber turn on Ramsay and deliver him over to Sansa. That could set up an interesting story arc. Sansa needs a love interest that also helps her politically in regaining the loyalty of northern houses.

Given who she is - marrying for love is extremely unlikely.

She doesn't need to marry for love but she needs to ally with somebody. Snow is a bastard, Littlefinger isn't trustworthy, who's she going to get that makes the Starks stronger in the north?

If the Northern Conspiracy theory is false, then Smalljon really did kill her brother Rickon's direwolf, and he's just handed Rickon over to Bolton to be flayed alive. Not exactly good grounds for a marriage.

The only way it would work would be if the Umbers have been loyal all along, and they hatched some sort of plan with Rickon planning to betray Ramsay later on.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing Little John Umber turn on Ramsay and deliver him over to Sansa. That could set up an interesting story arc. Sansa needs a love interest that also helps her politically in regaining the loyalty of northern houses.

Given who she is - marrying for love is extremely unlikely.

She doesn't need to marry for love but she needs to ally with somebody. Snow is a bastard, Littlefinger isn't trustworthy, who's she going to get that makes the Starks stronger in the north?

If the Northern Conspiracy theory is false, then Smalljon really did kill her brother Rickon's direwolf, and he's just handed Rickon over to Bolton to be flayed alive. Not exactly good grounds for a marriage.

The only way it would work would be if the Umbers have been loyal all along, and they hatched some sort of plan with Rickon planning to betray Ramsay later on.

In the books he is not the only Umber.

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:

Prestor Jon wrote:
I wouldn't mind seeing Little John Umber turn on Ramsay and deliver him over to Sansa. That could set up an interesting story arc. Sansa needs a love interest that also helps her politically in regaining the loyalty of northern houses.

Given who she is - marrying for love is extremely unlikely.

She doesn't need to marry for love but she needs to ally with somebody. Snow is a bastard, Littlefinger isn't trustworthy, who's she going to get that makes the Starks stronger in the north?

If the Northern Conspiracy theory is false, then Smalljon really did kill her brother Rickon's direwolf, and he's just handed Rickon over to Bolton to be flayed alive. Not exactly good grounds for a marriage.

The only way it would work would be if the Umbers have been loyal all along, and they hatched some sort of plan with Rickon planning to betray Ramsay later on.

In the books he is not the only Umber.

Which is a moot point when it comes to the show. So far as we know, he's the last living Umber on the show. Its certainly far too late in the season to start introducing other Umbers.

Col. Dash wrote:
Heres a theory for the future. Jamie ends up killing the current king(his son) to rescue Cercie from the sparrows. He already said he would do anything to protect her. He is already the kingslayer, whats another time? And he no longer is one of the king's guard.

Hope the giants live and we see more of them. A shame they weren't given their mammoth mounts for the show.

Nope. More likely is that whatever idiotic scheme Cersie hatches to try and outwit the High Sparrow at her trial will inadvertently end up resulting in Tomen's death, at which point...


Also, don't forget the biggest point of all;


And just as an FYI, we did get a couple of scenes of the giants astride their mammoths during season 4 episode 9, when Mance's forces assault The Wall. (not much of them, but hey, for a couple frames they're there!)


Also;
Re: Jon Snow; obviously he's not going to die. Besides, for anyone who's read the books, it was pretty much 1000% obvious he'd be resurrected, since he is Azor Azhai/The Prince Who Was Promised.

Likewise, Daenerys is also the Prince of the prophecy, since nouns in High Valerian are gender neutral. (and the fact they've left Young Aegon out of the story altogether, is pretty much confirmation that his character is simply meant to be yet another obstacle to Dany, and not in any way some kind of ally.)