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It is times like this I'm sad we dont have resin/metal capacity because a limited edition set of Epirian legs with chaps but no trousers under it seems to be something the market desires based on this thread

We love hearing all the suggestions people have for the game but sadly it is not ever going to be a community-led development effort. The timescales involved mean that any new models we action now are not going to be coming to market for at least 2 years, so adding a sprue here or a part there is not a decision that can be taken lightly or quickly. The number one priority for the game is to make it sustainable so that we can continue to build out the universe and that drives pretty much every decision in the end, so while we'd love to have made 20 leg variants on every sprue for instance, it simply would not have worked.

As winterdyne noted, our parts are not locked to each other, so any torso and arm combo can be used with any body (though some combinations look a bit odd without a few tweaks to the lean of the model), and coupled with head direction and weapon options, those sprues contain more than enough to ensure that you can buy three starter sets and assemble all the models in an individual manner.

I can verify that there are no second sprues for these models. Some of our tools are laid out with multiple sprues on them (as pretty much every company does) which explains the edge patterns, but we only have one sprue per unit at this time and will continue that policy for the foreseeable future because it delivers the most model choice for the best price to everyone.

I am so sorry for the chaps quip, hahahaha. Sorry guys, all power to you and best of luck with this. :-)

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

Also, my knowledge of the background is rudimentary at best, but if these guys are average factory joes being given weapons to defend themselves, can we see a melee weapon option to represent workers caught off guard at work with wrenches, saws, hammers, or other such tools? Seems like it would be fitting. I realize that its probably far too late in the design process to add this in now, but I can dream.

The Contractors won't be caught off guard at work - these guys are already suited up and ready for battle. Best way to put it:

Epirian Foreman : "So MrMoustaffa, you want to get you and your family off world, don't you?"
MrMoustaffa : "That's the plan boss. This place isn't going to be around for much longer."
Epiran Foreman : "So how is that job at the mine treating you? Got your ticket on the evac ship bought?"
MrMoustaffa : "Uhh... Well..."
Epiran Foreman : "Tell ya what. I like you. Here's the deal - I'll give you a gun and a uniform, and three weeks basic training, and I double your pay. But when you get that call to report for duty, I'm sure you won't want desertion on your employee record... And you want to defend your family, right? Just sign on the dotted line.."

This may have already been covered, and I may have missed it in all the pages thusfar, so please excuse me if it's been asked, but is there a specific timeframe for detailing the other factions?

I did see one note saying at first you wanted to specifically cover the bases between these two major factions that will have the most to do with the original release, I just wanted to really know if there would be upcoming hints at the other factions really. Not because I'm not interested in these two either, I'm just really curious to see what sort of aliens will be around?

I was sorta sitting here painting and thinking about styles of creatures from various stories, games, universes and wondered whether aliens would follow generalized stereotypes like Elfish, techy, barbaric styles, or if we'd see anything mold breaking like super intelligent shades of the color blue. Oooh, maybe a race of dinosaurs that rose to prominence instead of the half baked mongrel humanoid mammalion types. Hail the dinosaur overlords! Race of sentient fish people? Dolphin dictators for the win. As per usual for me, I'm just throwing out gak ideas because my imagination wanders, but in any case, what will we see?

So yeah. Any probable timeline for hints, or can I expect a specific timeframe for alien/faction details to release? It won't stop me from putting up money on the factions shown so far or anything, but I'm certainly curious about the broader spectrum I can look forward to. Also, great job on the models guys, I actually think the leg and shoulder proportions are fine as I figure these sorts of standard working guys are essentially throwing on ill fitting coverall type uniforms, shoulder pads reminiscent of big ole football pads and wouldn't have as much access to straight up military grade uniforms and armor anyways.

Ooo, I just thought of something. What kind of weapons are we looking at in game? Are we seeing standard slug throwers, lazer or rail weaponry? Launchers, mortars, radio controlled flying bombs? Just curious what sort of technology we're fighting with? Gahhhh, I am so excited to see you guys doing this

 agnosto wrote:
I think people commenting on options and poses need to keep in mind that this is stated to be a true skirmish-level game with a total of 20-30 models per side. If you only ever have 6 of the same model on the field, do you really need 20 different heads and 10 different arms? It'd be nice but we're not talking mass-battle, 40K size games so who needs it. Right now the options appear to be more than what Infinity or WM/H offer for a similar model count.

Definitely, I mean WMH is in a similar size range, and they have monopose infantry with only 3/4 unique sculpts for each unit, so it's already better than that.

Sorry if this question has already been asked. Are you releasing a starter pack with a small amount of both sides to get you started?

 Phyrekzhogos wrote:
This may have already been covered, and I may have missed it in all the pages thusfar, so please excuse me if it's been asked, but is there a specific timeframe for detailing the other factions?

I did see one note saying at first you wanted to specifically cover the bases between these two major factions that will have the most to do with the original release, I just wanted to really know if there would be upcoming hints at the other factions really. Not because I'm not interested in these two either, I'm just really curious to see what sort of aliens will be around?

I was sorta sitting here painting and thinking about styles of creatures from various stories, games, universes and wondered whether aliens would follow generalized stereotypes like Elfish, techy, barbaric styles, or if we'd see anything mold breaking like super intelligent shades of the color blue. Oooh, maybe a race of dinosaurs that rose to prominence instead of the half baked mongrel humanoid mammalion types. Hail the dinosaur overlords! Race of sentient fish people? Dolphin dictators for the win. As per usual for me, I'm just throwing out gak ideas because my imagination wanders, but in any case, what will we see?

So yeah. Any probable timeline for hints, or can I expect a specific timeframe for alien/faction details to release? It won't stop me from putting up money on the factions shown so far or anything, but I'm certainly curious about the broader spectrum I can look forward to. Also, great job on the models guys, I actually think the leg and shoulder proportions are fine as I figure these sorts of standard working guys are essentially throwing on ill fitting coverall type uniforms, shoulder pads reminiscent of big ole football pads and wouldn't have as much access to straight up military grade uniforms and armor anyways.

Ooo, I just thought of something. What kind of weapons are we looking at in game? Are we seeing standard slug throwers, lazer or rail weaponry? Launchers, mortars, radio controlled flying bombs? Just curious what sort of technology we're fighting with? Gahhhh, I am so excited to see you guys doing this

We will definitely not be rehashing other people's designs, as one of our key design goals is creating a unique universe and not just copying what's come before. We'll reveal details on the new factions in time, but we want to do justice to the models and stories we are releasing now first.

The Contractors are very much as you describe. These are not the elite soldiers of the Epirian Foundation. Contractors perform a lot of different jobs, not just fighting. They build and maintain the Epirian facilities, which includes constructing new robots, vehicles, buildings and spaceships, repairing existing infrastructure and manning key posts in the spaceports to deal with landing ships and loading and offloading cargo like cybel energy or mined metals for export. They also handle basic security, which is why they are trained for combat and given weapons, so that when an attack comes (as it often does by surprise on worlds near the Edge), they can defend an Epirian base. But yes, their armour is very much a byproduct of the work they do on a day to day basis, but they do have the support of more combat-focused units when the going gets tough

Each faction has its own type of weaponry - the Epirians focus on maglock weaponry, which is bullet based, as well as some weapons adapted from their terraforming and mining work. The Karist Enclave use more weapons based on cybel energy. Other factions, well, you'll just have to wait and see...

 redcell wrote:
Sorry if this question has already been asked. Are you releasing a starter pack with a small amount of both sides to get you started?

they've said there will indeed be a starter with (the) 2 factions in it




and on sprue design I think a limited number of heads is a smart move as they are one of the easiest things to pick up from other manufacturers if you want to customise things, and human faces are human faces, much better to use 'spare' space for stuff where design is much more tied to the setting like weapons/armour etc

 redcell wrote:
Sorry if this question has already been asked. Are you releasing a starter pack with a small amount of both sides to get you started?

From what legoburner has posted, that is the main initial release that will be shown off at Salute in under two weeks (and launched on Kickstarter very soon after). He's said that the Kickstarter sweet spot will be right around $110, but I don't think posted whether that was the starter box price (or if it's $100 and the extra is for anything else or shipping etc).

He or yakface also mentioned that it'd allow you to play something like 2/3 the size of a "standard" game, so a very viable game size (unlike a current 40k 2-faction starter compared to a normal game of 40k, for instance).

 legoburner wrote:
It is times like this I'm sad we dont have resin/metal capacity because a limited edition set of Epirian legs with chaps but no trousers under it seems to be something the market desires based on this thread

I wouldn't worry too much. Gates of Antares kickstarter posterboy 70's porn star fig has that niche (un)covered so to speak.

Really dislike the look of the contractors, it's the silly shoulder pads mostly. The other guys look fantastic though! I'll keep an eye on this as long as the rules are good.

 agnosto wrote:
I think people commenting on options and poses need to keep in mind that this is stated to be a true skirmish-level game with a total of 20-30 models per side. If you only ever have 6 of the same model on the field, do you really need 20 different heads and 10 different arms? It'd be nice but we're not talking mass-battle, 40K size games so who needs it. Right now the options appear to be more than what Infinity or WM/H offer for a similar model count.

Do you only buy minis in the minimum numbers needed to use them as directed by the manufacturer?


Some of us struggle with that.

The sprues do remind me of Imperial Guard.

overtyrant wrote:
Really dislike the look of the contractors, it's the silly shoulder pads mostly. The other guys look fantastic though! I'll keep an eye on this as long as the rules are good.

I have to agree the karist are nice, the contractors on the other hand look like catachans squeezed into real uniforms.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Do you only buy minis in the minimum numbers needed to use them as directed by the manufacturer?


Some of us struggle with that.

I understand I guess but I'm primarily a gamer not a collector so I don't really have a reason for more than I "need" to play the game.

Reading about angels.... If we get models of those... Lovecraft fans will be pleased.

The sprues do look neat, enough variety for the models you need and pretty crisp detailing. The Karists in particular look awesome, helped by their more unique aesthetic, but the Contractors are plenty nice enough.

Are the three types shown the only sprues that will be the starter set, or will there be more? And on a similar note rules-wise, it's been mentioned that the loadout choices can dramatically change a unit's role, is this to the extent that you could have 3 setups of the same unit with different weapons and have them function completely differently, or is unit choice still more significant than weapon choice?

I keep telling myself I have no time for another game, but on the other hand, always time for more models to paint!

I like the karist guys, not so sure on the chaps wearers, but it may just be the colour scheme not being my taste.

Paintwork on them all is great though, I have to say, really good presentation. I particularly like the Karist armour and the way it is done.

 agnosto wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Do you only buy minis in the minimum numbers needed to use them as directed by the manufacturer?


Some of us struggle with that.

I understand I guess but I'm primarily a gamer not a collector so I don't really have a reason for more than I "need" to play the game.

I'm the exact opposite. Besides, some of the best minis out there belong to no game system at all.

For all we know, we'll be using these mis to play Iron Core or Gates of Antares.

I really want to like the miniatures but I just don't... they remind me of Void 1.1 Junkers and Viridians mixed with Tehnolog Robogear infantry.

 legoburner wrote:


The final price is dependent on the initial volumes we hit with Kickstarter. Full on plastic development is incredibly expensive and time consuming, but delivers very good economies of scale once certain volumes are hit. We'll certainly be pricing competitively. A direct apples-for-apples comparison with other manufacturers does not really work as there are almost none who are operating at the level of detail we are, with our latest models utilising multiple slide core tooling and milling detail which is much crisper than the vast majority of other ranges.

Why not compare to the ones who do? I'm thinking Dreamforge, KD, wyrd, perry and GW. Are you claiming you are a level above these in terms of casting? or that you don't want to compare on price (understandable with Perry, worrying at the least with KD)

Why are the Karist Tempests holding their guns so daintily and limp-wristed?


is how you hold a weapon like that.

I cannot physically make this pose


without hurting my wrist.

And I hope their weapons have no recoil, otherwise their wrists will shatter after one shot.

 judgedoug wrote:
Why are the Karist Tempests holding their guns so daintily and limp-wristed?

Spoiler:

is how you hold a weapon like that.

I cannot physically make this pose


without hurting my wrist.

And I hope their weapons have no recoil, otherwise their wrists will shatter after one shot.

I feel like that's nitpicking a bit much for the very first run on a new project. Besides, aren't these guys robotic? Or am I wrong on that score? I'm not actually sure yet since I haven't read the books at this point. But if they're robots, they can hold em any way they please.

 Phyrekzhogos wrote:
I feel like that's nitpicking a bit much for the very first run on a new project. Besides, aren't these guys robotic? Or am I wrong on that score? I'm not actually sure yet since I haven't read the books at this point. But if they're robots, they can hold em any way they please.

Nitpicking a near physical impossibility that is repeated on (I assume) every Karist Tempest? Hopefully those are preproduction prints and can be fixed.

They are religious zealots wearing armor, not robots.

Regardless, why would being a robot make that wrist pose okay?

and finally, what does being a new line have to do with a poor pose?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:

 redcell wrote:
Sorry if this question has already been asked. Are you releasing a starter pack with a small amount of both sides to get you started?

they've said there will indeed be a starter with (the) 2 factions in it




and on sprue design I think a limited number of heads is a smart move as they are one of the easiest things to pick up from other manufacturers if you want to customise things, and human faces are human faces, much better to use 'spare' space for stuff where design is much more tied to the setting like weapons/armour etc

Thanks, Looks great and very interested.

we've seen sprues, so what you see is what you get for these I'd imagine,

(but it may be an assembly issue rather than a design one, as it looks like some sort of recoil free system

I wish you would not of pointed out the wrists... It is going to drive me nuts...

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
we've seen sprues, so what you see is what you get for these I'd imagine,

(but it may be an assembly issue rather than a design one, as it looks like some sort of recoil free system

Oh, yeah, am looking at the sprues now. That sucks. It appears every weapon has the same wrist-in-line-with-gun, which, when combined with the arm, will make every model appear to have a broken wrist.

That's probably the least flattering angle of the model (and the least flattering of any of our models), but we wanted to show the reverse side of the gun and didnt want to hide anything from anyone. We also have a strong policy of not showing any conversions or patched up models pre-kickstarter as we feel that is an unethical misrepresentation of the end product, so have not hidden any aspects of the models when we present them.

The wrists on those models have about 2mm of positioning wriggle room, so there is plenty of scope to tweak it to your preferences based on the models as sold alone. Beyond that, the join is fully flat, so a simple slice with a knife will let you change the angle to your liking, and as the elbow is also a join, changing the angle to something completely different is a straightforward conversion if it bugs you that much.

As you can see, from every other angle the model has real presence:

 legoburner wrote:
As you can see, from every other angle the model has real presence:

That's good to know - can you post another angle of that guy to see if his wrist join is better?

Or is it that the "default" wrist join is poor and will just need conversion work to make it realistic?