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 Torga_DW wrote:
I support this ban. Henceforth, i shall not play any games against eldar, period. Neither will i play them.

Thank you brother. Spread the word. Operation Pitchfork.

Completely over the top this thread is pointless. Guess what, just because YOU do no like Eldar does not mean you should ban someone from playing with the models he/she likes or race they like. Nut up and stop crying about it.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Eldarain wrote:
Eldar have almost always been at the upper echelons of power in 40k (Yes I know they were briefly weak in 5th)

How anyone there thought this would be something you can release is beyond me. This is 7th Fantasy Daemons bad.

It's funny too because I just bought the 6th book a couple weeks ago to ally with Harlequins and was upset I bought it with a new one around the corner.

Who would have thought I bought the tame balanced one...

What's worse is that this isn't even the first time they've done this with Eldar. The 3E reboot was in large part because of the 2E Eldar codex.

That is about as misinformed as it gets.

 gmaleron wrote:
Completely over the top this thread is pointless. Guess what, just because YOU do no like Eldar does not mean you should ban someone from playing with the models he/she likes or race they like. Nut up and stop crying about it.

Thanks for doing your part. The more pissed off you are the more likely GW is to finally pay attention. Go in rage.

Gamgee wrote:

 gmaleron wrote:
Completely over the top this thread is pointless. Guess what, just because YOU do no like Eldar does not mean you should ban someone from playing with the models he/she likes or race they like. Nut up and stop crying about it.

Thanks for doing your part. The more pissed off you are the more likely GW is to finally pay attention. Go in rage.

Sorry for pointing out that this is nothing more then a "I hate Eldar Thread" and your argument for it is completely baseless and outright stupid. If someone is solely playing Eldar to be the most competitive then I can somewhat agree, but for all the players that play Eldar because they love the fluff and the models it is completely stupid. Just realize that you will become "TFG" and for every player you refuse to play against is another that will refuse to play against you. Maybe instead of crying about Eldar you should learn to play against them with the best of your ability with the army you have? Think constructively or is that to much of a foreign concept? Im not even mad, I just find it ridiculous how much complaining has been going on before the book has even been released.

Gamgee wrote:

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Don't like my Eldar? Stay off my tables then. If this is your stance on Eldar than I do not want to play against you using my Astral Claws, Tyranids or even my stupidly weak Chaos list. If you want to take steps to invalidate the army that I spent a few hundred dollars on because of a rule set that is 1) out of my control and 2) not the end of the world, then your group, area and whatever else you get to side with you is not a part of the hobby that I want to be a part of. Reimburse the time and money I put into the army or you can kindly stuff it. You damage the hobby more with this sort of thinking than anything else.

See fellow forumites? It's working. It starts with one. Then we get two, and the numbers don't let up. I think people are just too lazy and don't stick to their guns. Even if I had a friend who played Eldar I would no longer play him. That's just the kind of person I am though. All you need to do is just get them angry. When no one ever wants to play with them they'll get the picture to finally bring sanity to the Eldar codex.

This is for the good of all the Warhammer 40k community, Eldar players, and GW.

You can call it a victory if you want, but the feeling is mutual no matter what army I play. I could play the strongest army or the weakest and I would still refuse a game with you because we enjoy the hobby very differently. You want to make a political statement in a game of plastic men and soldiers, I want to play a game I enjoy. You can refuse my game for the Faction, I can refuse for the personality and ridiculous demands of the player.

GW doesn't care about your petty views or mine. They aren't going to change no matter what tantrum you throw. All you're doing is hurting the community and other players and punishing them for the rule set that they had no say in. Don't pretend your cause is noble.

This is interesting because it just shows how driven people are to actually collect the army or the OPness of the month. I will play a couple of games against Eldar on TT, just to see how they fare against differing armies, then if my opponents bring cheese to the table, I'll just refuse to play them.

All I can say is I wish that when DA get updated they get this level of cheese, instead of a tired codex which overcosts everything.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Or how about this? You let us use the old hardback codex.

I say that people should be allowed to use and Codex or army list from the start of 40k3 onward. Want to play a 40k3 Rulebook list? Great. Want to play the latest shiny thing? Great.

This gak about banning entire armies? No.

That said, I'm OK if some punk wants to concede the moment I tell him I'm playing Eldar that I spent significant time and money collecting and painting.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
You can call it a victory if you want, but the feeling is mutual no matter what army I play. I could play the strongest army or the weakest and I would still refuse a game with you because we enjoy the hobby very differently. You want to make a political statement in a game of plastic men and soldiers, I want to play a game I enjoy. You can refuse my game for the Faction, I can refuse for the personality and ridiculous demands of the player.

GW doesn't care about your petty views or mine. They aren't going to change no matter what tantrum you throw. All you're doing is hurting the community and other players and punishing them for the rule set that they had no say in. Don't pretend your cause is noble.

Totally agree, as I said he sounds like "TFG" who demands the game cater to him rather then the community as a whole. You have NO RIGHT to dictate how people wish to play the game of 40k and to ban an entire race because you don't like it is completely baseless.

 gmaleron wrote:
Completely over the top this thread is pointless. Guess what, just because YOU do no like Eldar does not mean you should ban someone from playing with the models he/she likes or race they like. Nut up and stop crying about it.

While banning models is extreme, it's not going to leave a favorable opinion of the Eldar when someone has to remove a "handful of models" a turn from Eldar shooting and relatively early in the game from the way things are appearing.

Not to mention the potential for cheesing it and counter-cheesing it is probably not going to be pretty.

That doesn't seem like a win for anyone, that Eldar army you spent a significant amount of time and money won't get to be played either.

Oh yeah. For the record, I haven't bought a Codex since the Chaos Marine hardback.

But if this new Eldar dex is getting people's panties in a bunch, I will be happy to buy it and play nothing but Eldar.

I have scads of Wraithguard collecting dust, and this is just the kind of excuse to break them out of retirement.

Sadly, the OP may be new to GW. We have seen this cycle of gamer hate since before the internet was in every home when it comes to 40K.

I will continue to get games and attend tourneys with no issues, even with my mean old Eldar. Heck, I may even win more Best Sports or Best Painted or even win my bracket. All with Eldar at various GTs. Life goes on with my man dollies.

Poly Ranger wrote:

Standout nerfs:

-Serpshield is 24" one use 2d6 st6 ignores cover
-Wraithguard and Blades cannot be taken as troops with a spirit seer.

Warp Spiders lose 1 Str against Vehicles and any chance of AP 1 against anything.

Also thanks for this thread. It makes it easier to find idiots to put on ignore.

It would be pretty fun if we could get GW voted worst company in America (I know it's not based there).

Is there any equivalent votes or things like that we could use? Imagine the shame from the public if they won worst company in UK.

 Gamgee wrote:
It would be pretty fun if we could get GW voted worst company in America (I know it's not based there).

Is there any equivalent votes or things like that we could use? Imagine the shame from the public if they won worst company in UK.

...you really think GW would care so badly what a few disgruntled players think?

Said it already in another thread but:

7e eldar is like a vintage magic the gathering (yknow, all those old super awesome cards?) deck entering a standard tournament like Friday night magic. They are just from two different worlds of the same game. They pretty much have no business playing each other, unless you just want to see how ridiculous magic used to be. On the plus side, getting your face stomped by a vintage mtg deck doesn't take 3 hours of table setup and playing. It's more like 3 minutes.

No one throws a fit about not being able to play their black lotuses, ancestral recalls, and strip mines at standard magic tourneys. I'm pretty sure the eldar players would get over being relegated to using their previous book, which was already one of the strongest in the game.

I agree the Eldar codex is proper ridiculous. But this pitchfork thing will last about 5 minutes and die a death.

Btw those saying "nut up" about this are just plain silly. Think we must come from very different worlds if you need to "nut up" when it comes to rolling dice for plastic soldiers. People play a game for fun. If certain lists are not fun to play its not because they are not man enough its more than likely its just not fun.

Now I've been under the impression the only people more disgruntled about aspects of the new codex than non-Eldar players are actual Eldar players.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Oh yeah. For the record, I haven't bought a Codex since the Chaos Marine hardback.

But if this new Eldar dex is getting people's panties in a bunch, I will be happy to buy it and play nothing but Eldar.

I have scads of Wraithguard collecting dust, and this is just the kind of excuse to break them out of retirement.

People don't tend to enjoy playing TFG.

 gmaleron wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
It would be pretty fun if we could get GW voted worst company in America (I know it's not based there).

Is there any equivalent votes or things like that we could use? Imagine the shame from the public if they won worst company in UK.

...you really think GW would care so badly what a few disgruntled players think?

No but I do think it would care what the United Kingdom would have to say. The shame of being ousted as the worst company in the UK would quite suddenly give them a huge bad image the public is aware of. It would also allow competitors to move in and counter that bad image. Whatever actions we take can hurt GW. We just have to think of ways to do that. I think the simplest thing to do would be ramp up the production of hilarious comics making fun of Eldar/GW/Poor Treatment of People/Poor Treatment of Employees. Anything we could really use to light a spark and keep the flame going. We would need to distribute these things as far as we could across the internet. Seriously I'm fething pissed at GW. We need to grow our power base at the same time. I don't think GW will care about a few players. I will think they will care when it's a huge amount, we're giving them a bad image, and hurting their profits in a well coordinated manner.

We have to hit them at all levels we can hit them at if we want to have a real shot at this.

Ooohhh think of the scandal if we can get GW nominated on the worst company of America vote as a guest contestant. Showing they are so bad in the UK we gotta give them special mention. Hahah it's great.

The Imperial Answer wrote:
Now I've been under the impression the only people more disgruntled about aspects of the new codex than non-Eldar players are actual Eldar players.

ive 2 friends who after this release are refusing to play their eldar. Win win for GW there since now they need new armies to get a game.

 Lutharr101 wrote:
I agree the Eldar codex is proper ridiculous. But this pitchfork thing will last about 5 minutes and die a death.

Btw those saying "nut up" about this are just plain silly. Think we must come from very different worlds if you need to "nut up" when it comes to rolling dice for plastic soldiers. People play a game for fun. If certain lists are not fun to play its not because they are not man enough its more than likely its just not fun.

Its an expression meaning to toughen up and deal with it because crying about it is not going solve anything, especially in this game its not something to take literally. Also the book hasn't even been released and people are already freaking out about it which is a clear overreaction, and your definition of fun could be completely different from someone else's. Some people enjoy playing competitively and bringing their A game against someone else while others prefer fluff and fun based games, just because you don't find it fun does not mean others do to.

 Gamgee wrote:
No but I do think it would care what the United Kingdom would have to say. The shame of being ousted as the worst company in the UK would quite suddenly give them a huge bad image the public is aware of. It would also allow competitors to move in and counter that bad image. Whatever actions we take can hurt GW. We just have to think of ways to do that. I think the simplest thing to do would be ramp up the production of hilarious comics making fun of Eldar/GW/Poor Treatment of People/Poor Treatment of Employees. Anything we could really use to light a spark and keep the flame going. We would need to distribute these things as far as we could across the internet. Seriously I'm fething pissed at GW. We need to grow our power base at the same time. I don't think GW will care about a few players. I will think they will care when it's a huge amount, we're giving them a bad image, and hurting their profits in a well coordinated manner.

We have to hit them at all levels we can hit them at if we want to have a real shot at this.

Ooohhh think of the scandal if we can get GW nominated on the worst company of America vote as a guest contestant. Showing they are so bad in the UK we gotta give them special mention. Hahah it's great.

I really hope your not being serious because trust me its not going to work regardless of what you think. More and more you talk I don't know if your being serious or just trolling...

 Lutharr101 wrote:

The Imperial Answer wrote:
Now I've been under the impression the only people more disgruntled about aspects of the new codex than non-Eldar players are actual Eldar players.

ive 2 friends who after this release are refusing to play their eldar. Win win for GW there since now they need new armies to get a game.

Come to think of it didn't the new codex also invalidate the Iyanden Wraith Army concept given wraith constructs can no longer be Troops ?

 gmaleron wrote:

 Lutharr101 wrote:
I agree the Eldar codex is proper ridiculous. But this pitchfork thing will last about 5 minutes and die a death.

Btw those saying "nut up" about this are just plain silly. Think we must come from very different worlds if you need to "nut up" when it comes to rolling dice for plastic soldiers. People play a game for fun. If certain lists are not fun to play its not because they are not man enough its more than likely its just not fun.

Its an expression meaning to toughen up and deal with it because crying about it is not going solve anything, especially in this game its not something to take literally. Also the book hasn't even been released and people are already freaking out about it which is a clear overreaction, and your definition of fun could be completely different from someone else's. Some people enjoy playing competitively and bringing their A game against someone else while others prefer fluff and fun based games, just because you don't find it fun does not mean others do to.

What if this doesn't die in 5 minutes?

 Gamgee wrote:

 gmaleron wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
It would be pretty fun if we could get GW voted worst company in America (I know it's not based there).

Is there any equivalent votes or things like that we could use? Imagine the shame from the public if they won worst company in UK.

...you really think GW would care so badly what a few disgruntled players think?

No but I do think it would care what the United Kingdom would have to say. The shame of being ousted as the worst company in the UK would quite suddenly give them a huge bad image the public is aware of. It would also allow competitors to move in and counter that bad image. Whatever actions we take can hurt GW. We just have to think of ways to do that. I think the simplest thing to do would be ramp up the production of hilarious comics making fun of Eldar/GW/Poor Treatment of People/Poor Treatment of Employees. Anything we could really use to light a spark and keep the flame going. We would need to distribute these things as far as we could across the internet. Seriously I'm fething pissed at GW. We need to grow our power base at the same time. I don't think GW will care about a few players. I will think they will care when it's a huge amount, we're giving them a bad image, and hurting their profits in a well coordinated manner.

We have to hit them at all levels we can hit them at if we want to have a real shot at this.

Ooohhh think of the scandal if we can get GW nominated on the worst company of America vote as a guest contestant. Showing they are so bad in the UK we gotta give them special mention. Hahah it's great.

see now ya just sound like a raving hater. Your really not helping yourself when its going from I dont like the Eldar to a hate campaign against the company. Reality check. People will be pissed. But not enough give a rats hairy starfish to even get close to what you want.

Seconded. If you don't like it, don't play Eldar.
It's gonna be part of the game. Either deal with it, or decline every match. Heck, even ASK an opponent to tone down a cheesy list.

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To be honest have any games even been played against the new Eldar Codex yet ?

I don't think its even reached the hands of that many Eldar players yet.

If people feed the problem, its just going to escalate. We as gamers need to try and get GW to address this sort of release, rather than putting up with broken codices and races.

This to me, just shows how desperate GW is for major sales at the moment.