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The only way to get a message through to the big GW that this is completely unacceptable way to make a codex is to throw up a gak storm. The biggest way to do that? Well show them we won't even play with them. I know I intend to. Many of my players in my local FLGS intend to. Though I need to convince them to ban them from tournaments all together. The more the Eldar players complain and bitch about us complaining and bitching about their so obviously broken and favoritism codex the faster we can wrap this up. It's going to get messy before the end though. These half measures and trying to be "reasonable" with GW and even a certain subset of Eldar players is clearly not working. So it's time to kick things up a notch.

Can I at least get people who will agree to no games with them?

If there are any Eldar players out there with any remorse or guilt for the entire health of the game and 40k scene I implore you to do one of two things. Cheese the ever loving gak out of your codex and get yourself loathed and banned. Or don't play at all. Thanks.

As always the bigger we make this the quicker we'll get an answer.

Thanks. Remember cause mayhem. This Eldar Codex can't be allowed to stand.

I Gamgee swear to throw up a gak storm and use any method possible to get GW attention.

Edit
Since I started this thread and including myself there are four people who will no longer play against Eldar players. All it takes is a little team work. I'll continue to update this.
If I missed your name send me a PM or let me know in the thread and I'll add it.

Operation Members:
Gamgee
Orock
Torga_DW
Rippy

No need for this. Just stop buying the OP models. GW isn't going to listen until we cause them a LOT of monetary loss. Boycott would-be a better course

 raiden wrote:
No need for this. Just stop buying the OP models. GW isn't going to listen until we cause them a LOT of monetary loss. Boycott would-be a better course

Statistically speaking boycotts almost never work. Only throwing a gak storm causes people to pay attention. There's been a few studies showing this. Although if we throw a gak storm AND boycott even better. Why bring a knife to a fight when you can bring a knife and a gun.

I would figure best way is to make em lose investors until they ether change for the better or burn out and close up shop....

they seem to be doing a lot of that by them selves lol

Was already planning on not playing them on pure principal. Feel bad for the longtime eldar players, but the bottom line is I just wouldn't have fun against this book, and fun is why you play a game.

 Desubot wrote:
I would figure best way is to make em lose investors until they ether change for the better or burn out and close up shop....

they seem to be doing a lot of that by them selves lol

Their shareholders are all hedge funds and...Mr.Kirby (hence why GW has a very odd history of doing things like *borrowing* money to pay dividends).

GW's investors therefore pretty much only see it as either a diversification fund or a cash-cow to milk dividends. Nobody really has a vested interest in the long term return, and unless there's a *massive* change in share price, it won't matter too much

Eldar have almost always been at the upper echelons of power in 40k (Yes I know they were briefly weak in 5th)

How anyone there thought this would be something you can release is beyond me. This is 7th Fantasy Daemons bad.

It's funny too because I just bought the 6th book a couple weeks ago to ally with Harlequins and was upset I bought it with a new one around the corner.

Who would have thought I bought the tame balanced one...

I started a whole thread under Tactics about how to play Eldar in a friendly manner with the new codex. The gist of it is that if you don't use the ridiculously unbalanced units, Eldar are much more manageable for the opponent, and the Eldar player will come away knowing that they were responsible for the outcome of the game, not the stupid rules some units now possess.

There's plenty of stuff in the book that seems reasonably balanced. As long as you avoid jebikes, wraithknights, wraithguard, and probably four or five other units, it's probably a pretty fun book.

 DarkLink wrote:
There's plenty of stuff in the book that seems reasonably balanced. As long as you avoid jebikes, wraithknights, wraithguard, and probably four or five other units, it's probably a pretty fun book.

Pay $60.

Only use half the book.

Sounds legit.

Wow, good job.
Instead of getting better at the game you would rather just cry about it.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
I would figure best way is to make em lose investors until they ether change for the better or burn out and close up shop....

they seem to be doing a lot of that by them selves lol

Their shareholders are all hedge funds and...Mr.Kirby (hence why GW has a very odd history of doing things like *borrowing* money to pay dividends).

GW's investors therefore pretty much only see it as either a diversification fund or a cash-cow to milk dividends. Nobody really has a vested interest in the long term return, and unless there's a *massive* change in share price, it won't matter too much

If there was a boycott which actually had a customer majority committed to it and it lasted long enough (including hopefully going over a major release such as Space Marines) to impact their financials then it could work. But then again, GWs definition of a good year is one which ignores that years financial numbers, so we might need a boycott to last several years before they get the picture

 Eldarain wrote:
Eldar have almost always been at the upper echelons of power in 40k (Yes I know they were briefly weak in 5th)

How anyone there thought this would be something you can release is beyond me. This is 7th Fantasy Daemons bad.

It's funny too because I just bought the 6th book a couple weeks ago to ally with Harlequins and was upset I bought it with a new one around the corner.

Who would have thought I bought the tame balanced one...

What's worse is that this isn't even the first time they've done this with Eldar. The 3E reboot was in large part because of the 2E Eldar codex.

chill out,we donot even know the rest of the codex,wait till then,to me just see how they are

I always thought that the 2nd Ed Eldar codex was one of a three-headed monster of Tyranids, CSM, and Eldar.

 lucian the dead one wrote:
chill out,we donot even know the rest of the codex,wait till then,to me just see how they are

The vast majority of the codex has been leaked at this point, barring characters and any points changes to HS vehicles I think.

But I wouldn't want to play BA if I couldn't take Death Company, Sanguinary Gurad, Fragiosos and Assault Pod squads.

It seems completely harsh on Eldar players. But Orock is right about the fun aspect. I couldn't refuse to play against my good eldar mate, although he wouldn't be a douche with the new units. Other Eldar players though I can't necessarily count on, as I don't know other Eldar opponents well enough.

 Mindstrike1 wrote:
Wow, good job.
Instead of getting better at the game you would rather just cry about it.

Well, thou who art the most skilled so as to judge the talents of those they have never met at but a glance of their postings on forums, how do you propose to counter troop choices who, point for point, outshoot Fire Warriors, are faster, tougher and have a longer range?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

If there was a boycott which actually had a customer majority committed to it and it lasted long enough (including hopefully going over a major release such as Space Marines) to impact their financials then it could work. But then again, GWs definition of a good year is one which ignores that years financial numbers, so we might need a boycott to last several years before they get the picture

Oh man how could i forget that jem of a quote.

 Desubot wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

If there was a boycott which actually had a customer majority committed to it and it lasted long enough (including hopefully going over a major release such as Space Marines) to impact their financials then it could work. But then again, GWs definition of a good year is one which ignores that years financial numbers, so we might need a boycott to last several years before they get the picture

Oh man how could i forget that jem of a quote.

But is it true?

Don't like my Eldar? Stay off my tables then. If this is your stance on Eldar than I do not want to play against you using my Astral Claws, Tyranids or even my stupidly weak Chaos list. If you want to take steps to invalidate the army that I spent a few hundred dollars on because of a rule set that is 1) out of my control and 2) not the end of the world, then your group, area and whatever else you get to side with you is not a part of the hobby that I want to be a part of. Reimburse the time and money I put into the army or you can kindly stuff it. You damage the hobby more with this sort of thinking than anything else.

 Vaktathi wrote:

 Desubot wrote:
I would figure best way is to make em lose investors until they ether change for the better or burn out and close up shop....

they seem to be doing a lot of that by them selves lol

Their shareholders are all hedge funds and...Mr.Kirby (hence why GW has a very odd history of doing things like *borrowing* money to pay dividends).

GW's investors therefore pretty much only see it as either a diversification fund or a cash-cow to milk dividends. Nobody really has a vested interest in the long term return, and unless there's a *massive* change in share price, it won't matter too much

That explains a lot of the problem. Every time a dividend comes due, Kirby does absolutely everything he can to keep the other investors from bailing.

Sounds like they are ripe for a buyout.

ETA: Does anyone here have a list of the investors? Perhaps if we all send letters to them about how bad Kirby is, maybe they will do something.

Gamgee wrote:
The only way to get a message through to the big GW that this is completely unacceptable way to make a codex is to throw up a gak storm. The biggest way to do that? Well show them we won't even play with them. I know I intend to. Many of my players in my local FLGS intend to. Though I need to convince them to ban them from tournaments all together. The more the Eldar players complain and bitch about us complaining and bitching about their so obviously broken and favoritism codex the faster we can wrap this up. It's going to get messy before the end though. These half measures and trying to be "reasonable" with GW and even a certain subset of Eldar players is clearly not working. So it's time to kick things up a notch.

Can I at least get people who will agree to no games with them?

If there are any Eldar players out there with any remorse or guilt for the entire health of the game and 40k scene I implore you to do one of two things. Cheese the ever loving gak out of your codex and get yourself loathed and banned. Or don't play at all. Thanks.

As always the bigger we make this the quicker we'll get an answer.

Thanks. Remember cause mayhem. This Eldar Codex can't be allowed to stand.

I Gamgee swear to throw up a gak storm and use any method possible to get GW attention.

Or how about this? You let us use the old hardback codex.

I save invalidating my 24 month old $50 codex for another $58 hardback, and you dont get to see scatbikes or ranged d-weapons. Win win.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Don't like my Eldar? Stay off my tables then. If this is your stance on Eldar than I do not want to play against you using my Astral Claws, Tyranids or even my stupidly weak Chaos list. If you want to take steps to invalidate the army that I spent a few hundred dollars on because of a rule set that is 1) out of my control and 2) not the end of the world, then your group, area and whatever else you get to side with you is not a part of the hobby that I want to be a part of. Reimburse the time and money I put into the army or you can kindly stuff it. You damage the hobby more with this sort of thinking than anything else.

This is exactly the problem with this approach. SharkoutofWata and other Eldar players would be completely screwed over. And they have invested as much into the hobby as the rest of us.


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 Sir Arun wrote:

Gamgee wrote:
The only way to get a message through to the big GW that this is completely unacceptable way to make a codex is to throw up a gak storm. The biggest way to do that? Well show them we won't even play with them. I know I intend to. Many of my players in my local FLGS intend to. Though I need to convince them to ban them from tournaments all together. The more the Eldar players complain and bitch about us complaining and bitching about their so obviously broken and favoritism codex the faster we can wrap this up. It's going to get messy before the end though. These half measures and trying to be "reasonable" with GW and even a certain subset of Eldar players is clearly not working. So it's time to kick things up a notch.

Can I at least get people who will agree to no games with them?

If there are any Eldar players out there with any remorse or guilt for the entire health of the game and 40k scene I implore you to do one of two things. Cheese the ever loving gak out of your codex and get yourself loathed and banned. Or don't play at all. Thanks.

As always the bigger we make this the quicker we'll get an answer.

Thanks. Remember cause mayhem. This Eldar Codex can't be allowed to stand.

I Gamgee swear to throw up a gak storm and use any method possible to get GW attention.

Or how about this? You let us use the old hardback codex.

I save invalidating my 24 month old $50 codex for another $58 hardback, and you dont get to see scatbikes or ranged d-weapons. Win win.

I would play serpent shields any day of the week over this monstrosity. Completely valid solution! Just ban the new dex, not eldar as a whole.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Don't like my Eldar? Stay off my tables then.

That is more or less the solution for any army -- or player -- that a player doesn't like. Play against something else.

 Talys wrote:

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Don't like my Eldar? Stay off my tables then.

That is more or less the solution for any army -- or player -- that a player doesn't like. Play against something else.

It absolutely is. And I have no problems if someone looks at a list I make or if I look at someone else's list and says 'that does not look like fun for me' or 'that doesn't look like something my army can handle' and turning down a game. But this 'Operation Pitchfork' ridiculousness is taking it to a disgusting extreme and a player that blanket bans an army, any army, because of a new codex is simply not someone that I want to spend two hours of my life throwing dice with no matter what army I bring instead of Eldar.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Don't like my Eldar? Stay off my tables then. If this is your stance on Eldar than I do not want to play against you using my Astral Claws, Tyranids or even my stupidly weak Chaos list. If you want to take steps to invalidate the army that I spent a few hundred dollars on because of a rule set that is 1) out of my control and 2) not the end of the world, then your group, area and whatever else you get to side with you is not a part of the hobby that I want to be a part of. Reimburse the time and money I put into the army or you can kindly stuff it. You damage the hobby more with this sort of thinking than anything else.

I get where you are coming from. But asking other players to reimburse you before you'll play one of your other armies? That seems kind of odd. Eldar are broken. It is not our fault. Asking for money to keep your broken list off the table isn't really fair, is it?

If it's your table, then you can do what you like with it. At the FLGS? Not your table.

"Sorry all you Eldar players who paid 70 dollars for your codex and spent hundreds upon hundreds of dollars building your army over the course of a decade, you're not allowed to use it at our tournament because of factors entirely beyond your control."

Right. Because that isn't going to alienate huge swaths of the player-base just as much as Eldar sweeping the tables would.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:
Don't like my Eldar? Stay off my tables then.

This is a valid solution and one that more people are taking every day. Enjoy.

Yeah at my local club they are doing a "narrative" based campaign and despite restrictions and pleas from the organisers its increasingly clear that most of the players are going to take their dirt armies anyway. Whilst one of my own friends is quite concerned about the perception of taking a cheesy list I ve been pretty frank that the other players are just dicks who are abusing the list building. We have three elder players at the club and I am rolling up with a non bashy tyranid list. Now I barely see the point of playing this new elder army. This army can quite easily kill all 100 of my gaunts in a single turn with jetbikes and then use d weapons to kill any monstrous creature I have. Considering I am putting a lot of painting time and money into getting my nid army ready for this campaign I am pretty miffed at the prospect of being tabled by turn 2 three times in a row by elder coz they get better units than me for less points.

So quite honestly I think they just ban elder outright. The codex is clearly incredibly out of balance with all the other codexes. They have basic troop units that can one shot titans and primarches people. That is broken. No two ways of looking at it.