Avengers: Age of Ultron. It is good, but...

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**AegisGrimm**

Well, yeah. It would be like Star Wars episode 7 with no knowledge of the previous universe.

**gorgon**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Anyone feel that the Avengers Movies follow a similiar thread?
1: Small Action at the beggining(Loki Invading, The avengers attacking strukers compound)
2: Small intermediate action(Loki in germany, Ultron appearing)
3: Big Fight Scene(The Heli Carrier assaulted, The boat/ city fight scene
4: The avengers getting sad and down
5: Final Big Action scene(New York. South Korea and the fight on the floating city. Im counting those as one because there is a 5 min gap)

I just feel that the Avengers movies Lack the ability to do anything but action. Maybe a few char moments

Well, you're not exactly the first person to notice that Marvel films are exceptionally formulaic.

**Ahtman**

gorgon wrote:
Well, you're not exactly the first person to notice that Marvel films are exceptionally formulaic.

Or that many big budget films follow a similar formula.

**DarkLink**

trexmeyer wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
I enjoyed it. I liked Hawkeye getting as much screen time as he did.

I also enjoyed Vision's introduction, and Thor just going along with it once Vision handed him Mjolnir.

That was the best part of the film for me. Especially after the raging debates between the other heroes about being "worthy." All in all, I felt like it was better than the first film and that Ultron was actually a better villain than Loki, but then again I am a Loki-hater, partly because his rabid legion of foaming at the mouth fan girls is rather tiresome.

The two biggest laughs in the theater both times I saw it this weekend was first when Cap almost lifts the hammer and Thor's jaw drops in the background, and then when Vision picks it up. Since Cap is my favorite character, I like the shout-out, and I like that they expand on his flaws a little. He's a soldier, through and through, and doesn't know how to live a peaceful life, and that scares him. I'd bet that's why he's almost, but not quite, worthy.

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The Hollywood Forumula is very much a thing: http://www.writingexcuses.com/2011/10/02/writing-excuses-6-18-hollywood-formula/

Most movies follow it, you just don't realize it yet. A lot of very good movies are very good because they play with the forumla in interesting ways while retaining the elements that make the forumla work in the first place.

DarkLink wrote:
trexmeyer wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
I enjoyed it. I liked Hawkeye getting as much screen time as he did.

I also enjoyed Vision's introduction, and Thor just going along with it once Vision handed him Mjolnir.

That was the best part of the film for me. Especially after the raging debates between the other heroes about being "worthy." All in all, I felt like it was better than the first film and that Ultron was actually a better villain than Loki, but then again I am a Loki-hater, partly because his rabid legion of foaming at the mouth fan girls is rather tiresome.

The two biggest laughs in the theater both times I saw it this weekend was first when Cap almost lifts the hammer and Thor's jaw drops in the background, and then when Vision picks it up. Since Cap is my favorite character, I like the shout-out, and I like that they expand on his flaws a little. He's a soldier, through and through, and doesn't know how to live a peaceful life, and that scares him. I'd bet that's why he's almost, but not quite, worthy.

**Mr Morden**

Frazzled wrote:
H.B.M.C. wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
Dude you're watching a movie about a comic book group. If you want drama, plot etc. you have to see a real movie.

You say a lot of ignorant things Fraz, but 'see a real movie' might be the biggest you've said in a while.

Thats nothing. You should have heard me shouting at a Canadian a few minutes about the cash management for a client. Ignorance, + BS + outright bullying = PROFIT!

Seriously though. This is a Marvel comic book movie. The "quiet moments" are only there for a break in the action scenes. Its not even on the deep level of a Spiderman or Batman movie, much less something truly great like Das Boot or African Queen. That doesn't make it bad, thats just not its thing. After all, you don't go watch Titus or She Stoops To Conquer and expect a $200mm CGI budget.

Subjective - I see the recent Batman movies as just a series of reasonable action scenes spliced together - zero character, terrible / laughable plots, very little humour - nothing deep about them in any way......part for the mind numbing length.

**Frazzled**

I actually kind of agree with you here, Fraz. It just felt like I was watching someone else play a really expensively produced next-gen console game, the source material for which I needed an intimate knowledge of in order for it to be anything other than a noisy spectacle.

You may be extravagantly accurate on that. At this point I'm in "pass' mode on this one. I hope everyone who sees it has a good time though. I did get a line on a trilogy of vengeance films out of Korea. May have to track those down.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Frazzled wrote:
I did get a line on a trilogy of vengeance films out of Korea.

Not a trilogy, a tryptic or whatever. What I mean is the stories are completely unrelated.
Sympathy for Mr Vengeance, Old Boy (←that one is based on a Japanese manga though, and one can feel it in the story, I would say) and Sympathy for Lady Vengeance. My favorite is the first one. Really depressing, you will feel bad for the characters.

**Reinokarite**

I like this movie for the most part, I going to movie for action. The movies with little action and good plot I like to watch at home on Blue-Ray.

Alot of scene were cut off the final version, thi really hard to not notice, I'm waiting for whole "uncut" version.

**skyth**

On Cap almost lifting the hammer...there is a theory going 'round that Cap actually could lift the hammer but chose not to when he realized that he could since that would undercut Thor for no good reason.

**Mr Morden**

The Dark Elf King (thor's Nemesis) was destroyed by the Red infinity stone

I thought he had his limbs telported/ ripped off and then had a sword shaped star ship fall on him?

**Frazzled**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Frazzled wrote:
I did get a line on a trilogy of vengeance films out of Korea.

Not a trilogy, a tryptic or whatever. What I mean is the stories are completely unrelated.
Sympathy for Mr Vengeance, Old Boy (←that one is based on a Japanese manga though, and one can feel it in the story, I would say) and Sympathy for Lady Vengeance. My favorite is the first one. Really depressing, you will feel bad for the characters.

Thats them.

**Hulksmash**

I enjoyed it for what it was. An fun action movie that brought a bunch of my favorite characters in movies currently together.

I like the new "line-up". Vision and Scarlet Witch are highlight and were pretty awesome in the movie. Little sad about Quicksilver but oh well.

Hawkeye being the well adjusted and down to earth dude was well done and really expanded on his character quite a bit.

Overall a fun movie even if you could tell it had been cut up a bit. I definitely prefer the more solo movies as the action once you get past 4-6 characters feels a bit more like a highlight reel and they tend to be less about the smashing but it was good.

I do wonder how they are going to transition away from RDJ and Evans and to a lesser extent Hemsworth. RDJ and Evans feel so much like the glue that hold it together for me. Though Bettany as Vision I have hopes for.

**timetowaste85**

Well, Cap has a comic book history of wielding Mjolnir. So...totally would have been okay with him lifting it. But it would have taken away from the feeling of Vision, if just "anybody" could lift it. Of course, we all knew Stark wasn't gonna lift it. Lol

**Squidmanlolz**

I kindof can't wait for Falcon to take up Cap's costume and shield. Am I the only one who feels that coming?
Also, I was disappointed that Falcon didn't show up for the final fight. Sure, it was crowded, but they let Warmachine come!

**Paradigm**

Pretty sure Bucky/The Winter Soldier will be the next Man In The Flag, as there's a precedent in the comics (but then, same with Falcon) and is on a 9-film contract. But I'm fine with that, Falcon can stay awesome as Falcon!

**H.B.M.C.**

I think Cap being unable to lift the hammer (only shift it a little) will play a bigger role come Infinity War. I'm sure that Thanos will shatter Cap's shield, and in response Cap will find himself able to wield Mjolnir, right when they need it most.

**Paradigm**

H.B.M.C. wrote:
I think Cap being unable to lift the hammer (only shift it a little) will play a bigger role come Infinity War. I'm sure that Thanos will shatter Cap's shield, and in response Cap will find himself able to wield Mjolnir, right when they need it most.

That, or Vision will just wield the shield and Miljnor and smack Thanos around the place and the rest of the team will just watch from Hawkeye's farm... 'Puny alien!'

Vision: Infinity War, coming soon!

Although sadly,

Spoiler:

**Commander Cain**

I was pretty impressed with the whole movie. To say it had so many heroes, they all got plenty of screen-time it didn't feel too crowded.

Hulk vs. Iron Man had to be the highlight of the movie, the mix of action and humour made it an excellent fight scene.

I'm not sure if this has been explained somewhere else but how come Stark still has all his suits and whatnot? Iron Man 3 seemed to depict him retiring and all that seems to have just been brushed under the rug.

I don't think there is much I can complain about, more Andy Serkis was needed (that guy got big for this movie!) but apart from that it was a great sequel!

**Paradigm**

Commander Cain wrote:

Hulk vs. Iron Man had to be the highlight of the movie, the mix of action and humour made it an excellent fight scene.

I did feel very sorry for one family in the cinema that left (presumably to take their kid to the loo) just as the Hulkbuster deployed, and returned just as Stark got the last punch in! Poor guys!

I'm not sure if this has been explained somewhere else but how come Stark still has all his suits and whatnot? Iron Man 3 seemed to depict him retiring and all that seems to have just been brushed under the rug.

I can't complain if IM3 gets forgotten!

I guess it is simply a case of him realising he was still needed after Hydra reemerged and became a global threat.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Commander Cain wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been explained somewhere else but how come Stark still has all his suits and whatnot? Iron Man 3 seemed to depict him retiring and all that seems to have just been brushed under the rug.

Tell me more about comics continuity

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Frazzled wrote:
Thats them.

I know. I get so much more excited about this kind of movies than about the DCU or MCU.
Have you also heard about how Park Chan-Wook (director who did that trilogy) took the book Thérèse Raquin, written by famous French writer Émile Zola in 1867, transposed the story into modern day Korea, added vampires to it, and got the movie Thirst? I am not even kidding. Another cool movie you could look forward

.

**Frazzled**

Thirst? I shall investigate.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Spoiler:

**Experiment 626**

angelofvengeance wrote:
nkelsch wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
Ok, I will go watch. The Winter Soldier, Great Plot, Or Ohh, How about the drama that was Thor 2?

Considering Thor 2 was setting the stage for one of the Infinity stones, it is worth a watch. It was basically an entire film designed to introduce the RED MacGuffin and show it got handed off the 'the collector' which was then after the PURPLE MacGuffin from GotG.

So we basically know what/where 4 of the 6 MacGuffins are. Red, Blue, Yellow and Purple.

Another interesting thing... every 'nemesis' bad guy of the heroes is killed directly by the infinity stone:

Red Skull (cap's nemesis) was destroyed by the Blue Infinity stone
The hammer badguy from GotG was destroyed by the Purple Infinity stone
The Dark Elf King (thor's Nemesis) was destroyed by the Red infinity stone
Ultron (ironam's nemesis) was explicitly killed by the Yellow infinity stone

So that leaves room that Thanos possibly has those villains captured in the stones and can be brought back by them. Imagine a one-on-one recap of the series villains.

I actually think the Tesseract didn't destroy Red Skull, but transported him to Sanctuary for a bit of time with Thanos. I think he'll make an appearance in the Infinity War films for sure.

Probably a silly question, but are the main Avengers cast - RDJ, Evans, Renner et all going to be back for the Infinity War? I also seem to recall some rumors about the GotG crew showing up as well to help take on Thanos?

**Tannhauser42**

Paradigm wrote:
Commander Cain wrote:

I'm not sure if this has been explained somewhere else but how come Stark still has all his suits and whatnot? Iron Man 3 seemed to depict him retiring and all that seems to have just been brushed under the rug.

I can't complain if IM3 gets forgotten! I guess it is simply a case of him realising he was still needed after Hydra reemerged and became a global threat.

Even within Avengers 2, it can be seen that he is, and has been, working towards retiring as Iron Man (the existence of the Iron Legion, the Ultron project as well, etc.). Anyway, something that caught my attention from the end credits scene:

Spoiler:

**Kojiro**

Commander Cain wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been explained somewhere else but how come Stark still has all his suits and whatnot? Iron Man 3 seemed to depict him retiring and all that seems to have just been brushed under the rug

It has all been scrubbed- Marvel even did a one shot where Trevor Slattery (the man pretending to be the Mandarin) was replaced by the actual Mandarin. By all rights Stark should be miles from any battlefield, controlling his drone legion via the immersive tech he uses in IM 3. He's got Pepper to keep happy, he's got drones with excellent AI and his suits are no longer powered by his arc reactor. To say nothing of the stupidly obvious benefits of miles from any battlefield.

As for the Infinity Gauntlet, the one in Asgard is a right handed one. That's all I'll say.

**gorgon**

Ahtman wrote:
gorgon wrote:
Well, you're not exactly the first person to notice that Marvel films are exceptionally formulaic.

Or that many big budget films follow a similar formula.

Very true. Some aspire to be more than that, however.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Commander Cain wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been explained somewhere else but how come Stark still has all his suits and whatnot? Iron Man 3 seemed to depict him retiring and all that seems to have just been brushed under the rug.

Tell me more about comics continuity .

DC tends to reboot its comic universe, while Marvel doesn't reboot but instead chooses to ignore stories or chunks of history that they don't want to deal with. And it seems that they apply the same approaches to their respective movie "universes."

**hotsauceman1**

Kojiro wrote:
Commander Cain wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been explained somewhere else but how come Stark still has all his suits and whatnot? Iron Man 3 seemed to depict him retiring and all that seems to have just been brushed under the rug

It has all been scrubbed- Marvel even did a one shot where Trevor Slattery (the man pretending to be the Mandarin) was replaced by the actual Mandarin. By all rights Stark should be miles from any battlefield, controlling his drone legion via the immersive tech he uses in IM 3. He's got Pepper to keep happy, he's got drones with excellent AI and his suits are no longer powered by his arc reactor. To say nothing of the stupidly obvious benefits of miles from any battlefield.

The fact that Stark gets down and dirty is part of his character. Remember he became Iron Man Specifically because felt bad. He caused some much destruction and death. Why did he make vision and ultron? To make things right.Same reason he fights.

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gorgon wrote:
Ahtman wrote:
gorgon wrote:
Well, you're not exactly the first person to notice that Marvel films are exceptionally formulaic.

Or that many big budget films follow a similar formula.

Very true. Some aspire to be more than that, however.

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Commander Cain wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been explained somewhere else but how come Stark still has all his suits and whatnot? Iron Man 3 seemed to depict him retiring and all that seems to have just been brushed under the rug.

Tell me more about comics continuity .

DC tends to reboot its comic universe, while Marvel doesn't reboot but instead chooses to ignore stories or chunks of history that they don't want to deal with. And it seems that they apply the same approaches to their respective movie "universes."

They also have shifting timelines too. Everything takes place in the present, with things in the past happeneing "A Few years Ago"

**H.B.M.C.**

Commander Cain wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been explained somewhere else but how come Stark still has all his suits and whatnot? Iron Man 3 seemed to depict him retiring and all that seems to have just been brushed under the rug.

You've seen Iron Man 3 right? Wouldn't you want to brush it under the rug?

**Kid_Kyoto**

Finally saw it today (if Mrs. Kyoto asks I was at a conference).

Liked it, didn't love it. Too many empty calories, really did not need the Vision, too many endless fights...

And it stepped on one of my big pet peevies.

"Shipyard, AFRICA"

Where in Africa?

Where?

Africa is bigger than the US, China and Western Europe PUT TOGETHER.

PICK A DAMN COUNTRY WHERE THIS IS HAPPENING!

Libya?

Madegascar?

Kenya?

South Africa (where it was filmed)?

Wakedia? (fictional country)

WHERE?

Spend 10 seconds looking at a damn map!!!!!!

OK, I'm spent.

**Nicky J**

Fairly sure they said what country it was, It was the country where the vibranium comes from (wakanda?), banner mispronounced it, remember?