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Talys wrote: I am comparing independent characters to warjacks, which are the closest comparison of 'heroes'
No, that'd be Warcasters and Solos.
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Bradigus is hardly the norm for war casters. Most casters and solos hover around the $11-$13 mark. Bradigus, Cavalry Casters and Solos like eVyros and 3Kreoss(? I don't play Menoth) are more like ~$35, but are large, well detailed, and metal. Then of course you get Battle Engine casters, who don't bear thinking about.
I'm not sold on GW being massively better anymore. Some of their models are really bland, and other companies are getting better. Soon it'll be open season, with other companies offering more, same or better detail, for cheaper.
My $0.02.
My $0.02, which since 1992 has rounded to nothing. Take with salt.
Elysian Drop Troops, Dark Angels, 30K
Mercenaries, Retribution
Ten Thunders, Neverborn
I sort of want the game, but I don't want to pay for the miniatures. Between us, my group could field everything in the game, most of it really well painted. I want the rest of the game that isn't the models.
Farseer Anath'lan wrote: Bradigus is hardly the norm for war casters. Most casters and solos hover around the $11-$13 mark. Bradigus, Cavalry Casters and Solos like eVyros and 3Kreoss(? I don't play Menoth) are more like ~$35, but are large, well detailed, and metal. Then of course you get Battle Engine casters, who don't bear thinking about.
I'm not sold on GW being massively better anymore. Some of their models are really bland, and other companies are getting better. Soon it'll be open season, with other companies offering more, same or better detail, for cheaper.
My $0.02.
Well, I don't think that Bradigus has anything on Succubus, Death Jester, Autarch, Jetbike Farseer, etc. Only his body is metal; everything else is resin and hardly a perfect fit. Besides, most PP model fans (me included) want HIPS now. Nobody wants to model large models in metal.
But anyhow, that's just preference. My experience with PP prices is that their old models stay in the sub-$15 price, no different than say, a metal Farseer, or some of the resin GW characters. Most of their new releases of casters are pretty nice, and pretty expensive, and there are also bigger and badder kits that they're putting out. my point is just that $20-$30 hero models aren't something to be shocked at anymore, and if you have any interest at all in GW stuff, ALL their new heroes are in this price range.
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Purifier wrote: I sort of want the game, but I don't want to pay for the miniatures. Between us, my group could field everything in the game, most of it really well painted. I want the rest of the game that isn't the models.
Just work something out with someone at the store who only wants the models. I'm actually buying 2 copies, and someone is taking one game from me sans models for $25.
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Well, I don't think that Bradigus has anything on Succubus, Death Jester, Autarch, Jetbike Farseer, etc. Only his body is metal; everything else is resin and hardly a perfect fit. Besides, most PP model fans (me included) want HIPS now. Nobody wants to model large models in metal.
But anyhow, that's just preference. My experience with PP prices is that their old models stay in the sub-$15 price, no different than say, a metal Farseer, or some of the resin GW characters. Most of their new releases of casters are pretty nice, and pretty expensive, and there are also bigger and badder kits that they're putting out. my point is just that $20-$30 hero models aren't something to be shocked at anymore, and if you have any interest at all in GW stuff, ALL their new heroes are in this price range.
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Purifier wrote: I sort of want the game, but I don't want to pay for the miniatures. Between us, my group could field everything in the game, most of it really well painted. I want the rest of the game that isn't the models.
Just work something out with someone at the store who only wants the models. I'm actually buying 2 copies, and someone is taking one game from me sans models for $25.
And by all means, thats fair. I find some of GW's models to be.... odd, in detail and proportion, but I've heard the same of PP. It's a personal choice.
My point on the metal was more to do with the fact that metal is more expensive then plastic, and I agree that larger models like Bradigus are better in resin or plastic.
GW isn't that cheap though, at least over here. The cheapest HQ is Pask, at $18, and most are at least $22. But I do understand that's different elsewhere.
I do sometimes wish that GW would sell the rules and tiles for these games, without the miniatures, but c'est la vie.
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My $0.02, which since 1992 has rounded to nothing. Take with salt.
Elysian Drop Troops, Dark Angels, 30K
Mercenaries, Retribution
Ten Thunders, Neverborn
Minis aren't that great. Co-op is silly. Price is high.
Other than that, hey, what's not to love?
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Purifier wrote: I sort of want the game, but I don't want to pay for the miniatures. Between us, my group could field everything in the game, most of it really well painted. I want the rest of the game that isn't the models.
Keep an eye on EBay. I missed the first run of Space Hulk but bought a complete set minus the minis from someone on Ebay for a great savings.
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Purifier wrote: I sort of want the game, but I don't want to pay for the miniatures. Between us, my group could field everything in the game, most of it really well painted. I want the rest of the game that isn't the models.
Keep an eye on EBay. I missed the first run of Space Hulk but bought a complete set minus the minis from someone on Ebay for a great savings.
I doubt they'll do another run for a while of this; they'll just sell the Assassin miniatures separately.
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Talys wrote: The fact is, premium hero miniatures from GW are $25+ a pop. So are premium Privateer Press miniatures. If you don't like it, don't buy premium GW hero miniatures.
??? Jacks maybe, but they're hardly premium. Besides, lights go for like $16-$19. What am I missing?
This game is off the walls pricy. $210AUD is stupidly expensive, and I doubt it'll sell. Actually, one of Perth's main game stores still has limited edition Dark Vengeance, and a huge pile of Space Hulk. I doubt anyone I know will get this. I think this'll be a pretty big flop.
Not to be rude here, but quite frankly?
Lots of places are still sitting on huge piles of Space Hulk. I know of at least one local shop that has 10 copies, because they ordered a bunch and thought they would be snatched up as fast as the first release of Space Hulk was.
A lot of the people who would have bought Space Hulk bought it the first time, so didn't really need to buy it again.
Talys wrote: Myth gives you carbon copies of bad miniatures
What are you talking about? Myth has some of the best miniatures ever seen in a board game. In fact, Myth is best known for the quality of its miniatures! They are outstanding high quality sculpts. They are very stylized (very cool style IMO), but they are extremely well done. Have you even seen all the awesomeness that was displayed in the Myth: Journeyman Kickstarter? Head over there and check it out!
As for Assassinorum EF, IMO the game looks phenomenal and I am getting it!
Talys wrote: Myth gives you carbon copies of bad miniatures
What are you talking about? Myth has some of the best miniatures ever seen in a board game. In fact, Myth is best known for the quality of its miniatures! They are outstanding high quality sculpts. They are very stylized (very cool style IMO), but they are extremely well done. Have you even seen all the awesomeness that was displayed in the Myth: Journeyman Kickstarter? Head over there and check it out!
As for Assassinorum EF, IMO the game looks phenomenal and I am getting it!
Call me crazy, but I think the Arachnids look creatures look rounded and cartoonish, like something out of an iPad game, and not at all aggressive or detailed in the sculpts.he orcs don't look anywhere near as cool as GW Fantasy or 40k Orks. Only the Mini Boss looks kinda passable (like a bad Diablo 3 Skeleton King) and the heroes are nice sculpts IMO. I was saying repetitive, because you get a whole bunch of arachnids and orcs that are just more of the same model. Which is cool as gaming pieces, but extremely repetitive to model or paint -- like the Genestealers from the Original Space Hulk, which were all identical.
I have no idea if it's a good game or not... I don't own it as I haven't seen it in a local store.
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Talys wrote: Myth gives you carbon copies of bad miniatures
What are you talking about? Myth has some of the best miniatures ever seen in a board game. In fact, Myth is best known for the quality of its miniatures! They are outstanding high quality sculpts. They are very stylized (very cool style IMO), but they are extremely well done. Have you even seen all the awesomeness that was displayed in the Myth: Journeyman Kickstarter? Head over there and check it out!
As for Assassinorum EF, IMO the game looks phenomenal and I am getting it!
Call me crazy, but I think the Arachnids look creatures look rounded and cartoonish, like something out of an iPad game, and not at all aggressive or detailed in the sculpts.he orcs don't look anywhere near as cool as GW Fantasy or 40k Orks. Only the Mini Boss looks kinda passable (like a bad Diablo 3 Skeleton King) and the heroes are nice sculpts IMO. I was saying repetitive, because you get a whole bunch of arachnids and orcs that are just more of the same model. Which is cool as gaming pieces, but extremely repetitive to model or paint -- like the Genestealers from the Original Space Hulk, which were all identical.
I have no idea if it's a good game or not... I don't own it as I haven't seen it in a local store.
Yes, that is the Myth game I am talking about. Nice job picking a sub-par far away picture of unpainted minis. If you don't like the style because you think it's "cartoonish" then that's your opinion. The sculpts are very well done and excellent quality. They rival the quality of GW miniatures but are a different artistic style.
Look at this picture of a Syclopt Diorama fully painted. Myth miniatures are extremely unique and imaginative (Note: I did not paint these):
And here is another picture of Myth miniatures painted well (Note: I did not paint these):
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Specifically looking at other miniature-based board games let's compare some. (This is ignoring all other components and just looking at cost of game vs # of minis (I'm guessing these are probably all similar in terms of # of unique sculpts) )
Assassinorum: Execution Force - $125 - 23 miniatures ($5.43/mini)
It's not even close.
People might say, "Oh but GW models are better." That may be true, but they're not that much better.
Although for example, Descent miniatures are great for their purpose: but when you put Space Hulk and Descent next to each other, it is very obvious that SH has much higher quality of components. Minis are much better and made of hard plastic, Descent minis are bendy PVC plastic. SH also has better quality cardboard components.
Of course, in the end, you have to ask yourself, how much you want to pay from quality components? After all, game is still a game even if it has solid gold miniatures. What GW has going for it is better re-usability of the miniatures.Nothing stopping you from using Descent minis on other gaming projects of course, but they're not good for a tabletop wargame.
That said, I think A:EF is still too pricey: I've been arguing for a tabletop wargame with dual-use minis which could partly use existing components and Assassinorum checks out all the boxes, except it is just a tad too expensive for an entry game. It won't attract random bypassers to pick it up at that price. €85 would have been ok for that purpose, €100 is too much.
I'll never argue that GW is pretty much the gold standard for miniature detail and ease of assembly. I hate working with metal so that leaves me out of a lot of company's radars.
I can always just wait to see if the board game is actually worth picking up. Played the Space Hulk video game and if it's anything like the board game then it is mind numbly boring.
Ravenous D wrote: 40K is like a beloved grandparent that is slowly falling into dementia and the rest of the family is in denial about how bad it is.
squidhills wrote: GW is scared of girls. Why do you think they have so much trouble sculpting attractive female models? Because girls have cooties and the staff at GW don't like looking at them for too long because it makes them feel funny in their naughty place.
So has anyone been able to get any games in yet? Was it fun? How is the replayability? Do you think the box is overcosted?
Personally I think it's a worse deal than Space Hulk, but just from the miniatures' value alone, the 4 Assassins go for €80 if we generously assume their clam pack prices wont exceed €20. Then you're left with the Chaos stuff - 5 snap-fit Cultists go for €8 on the GW store, and you get 15 of them, so that's €24 for the cultists already. And the Chaos Termie sorc goes for €19.50, so we've now already accumulated a sum of €123.50 and then whatever you think the cards, boards and tiles are worth (€10 is a lower estimate of mine).
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Ravenous D wrote: 40K is like a beloved grandparent that is slowly falling into dementia and the rest of the family is in denial about how bad it is.
squidhills wrote: GW is scared of girls. Why do you think they have so much trouble sculpting attractive female models? Because girls have cooties and the staff at GW don't like looking at them for too long because it makes them feel funny in their naughty place.
i have only played two times, one being a learning game. I don't usually write much about my opinion of games unless I have played it enough but since there are many people asking I will write what I can. First, I am a video gamer, turned board gamer, turned painter (thanks to space hulk) turned to someone just recently starting out in 40k. So for me the dual purpose of the models doesnt add much value for me.
I think the components are very good. The tiles are not embossed like space hulk but are super thick and have a nice glossy finish. Room tiles and tokens are of the same quality. The cards, coming from a board gamer, I think could be better quality but they serve their purpose. The assassin models, I think, are great. I have one left to paint. Assembling and painting them was fun and enjoyable. Now to gameplay. The main reason I don't want to write much about opinion is because I think I really would like 10+ games to see if it gets too repetitive. I knew going in that this wasn't mission based as space hulk is, so the gameplay was about what I expected. Sneaking around trying to find the teleporter and control room while taking guys out when needed. I had fun, I plan to play it quite a few more times in the upcoming week, so maybe I can note replayability then. I think the core foundation of the game is good. I can see maybe the replayability might be an issue. Double sided tiles would have made the random layout much better. But so far I like it. I think the cost is a bit on the high side. But when it was announced, I assumed it would be $125 like space hulk. Also a side note, I got my copy for $75 due to gift cards but I am trying to make sure I am looking at it from someone else's point of view of paying $100+. I don't know if this is what people are looking for as an answer but I hope it helps. If not, I will write more when I get more games under my belt
Ravenous D wrote: 40K is like a beloved grandparent that is slowly falling into dementia and the rest of the family is in denial about how bad it is.
squidhills wrote: GW is scared of girls. Why do you think they have so much trouble sculpting attractive female models? Because girls have cooties and the staff at GW don't like looking at them for too long because it makes them feel funny in their naughty place.
Elysian Drop Troops, 
Dark Angels, 30K
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