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https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/coolminiornot/b-sieged-sons-of-the-abyss

About this project


B-Sieged: Sons of the Abyss is a fully cooperative castle defense board game that combines exciting combat action with classic resource management. In this thrilling defensive battle, 1 to 6 players control the mighty Heroes of Modhelm, who must fight back the encroaching Abyssal hordes, and endure until salvation arrives!



B-Sieged comes with 70 highly detailed, pre-assembled miniatures [32mm scale] including 6 Heroes and the unstoppable hordes of the Abyss. Each player takes control of a number of Heroes while the encroaching Abyssal forces are controlled by the game itself.



The mighty Heroes of Modhelm: Orobox, Lugh & Eileen



The mighty Heroes of Modhelm: Myrinia, Osvith & Kador



The relentless Krohn & the Elite Krohn



The overwhelming Gargoh, the gigantic Mölen and Elite Gargoh

[img]https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/003/666/894/6881198432c6891b07a9c05f47cd96a6_original.png?v=1429821769&w=700&h=&fit=max&auto=format&lossless=true&s=20a1f039980d224ca07138b43b3fea10[img]
Game Components
•24 Standard Krohn miniatures
•8 Elite Krohn miniatures
•16 Standard Gargoh miniatures
•8 Elite Gargoh miniatures
•8 Mölen miniatures
•6 Hero miniatures
•202 cards
•115 tokens
•8 dice
•6 Hero dashboards
•6 colored Hero bases
•4 double-sided enemy boards
•1 citadel board with rotating catapult tile
•1 Seasons Sheet
•1 Cards Sheet
•1 Avatar of the Abyss token with plastic stand



















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Shipping costs (estimates from CMON based on what their recent BloodRage KS cost to ship)

•USA: $10-$15 to most states. $30 to Alaska, Hawaii, and Puerto Rico.
•CANADA: $10-$20 to most cities.
•LATIN AMERICA: $50-$60 to most countries.
•ASIA: $10 to Hong Kong. $50 to most other countries.
•OCEANIA: $13-$25 to Australia. $30 to New Zealand.
•EUROPE: $10 to Germany. $15-$30 to most other countries.
•* $35 to Norway, Finland, Estland, Lettland, and Latvia.
•* $40 to Bosnia/Herzegowina, Croatia, and Serbia.
•* $55 to Bulgaria, Lithuania, and Romania.
•* $60 to Greece and Iceland.


so if you're going to back this base your shipping costs on these numbers for now at least

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I've seen some really nice paints of these (or the resin masters?) floating about, but the game itself does not grab me

Already funded. Sitting at $60k.

It's, in effect, a tower defense game. If you like Castle Panic and thought it was too shallow, you'll probably like this. IIRC it plays In just over an hour as well, but I've only played it twice.

That was a fast $50K!

Already passed the first two stretch goals as well...

I'm really excited about this one. I love defense/ last stand type games, be they board or video games.

Liking how you can visit different districts in the city to get different bonuses to take on the baddies.

The monsters with their open mouths are great!

Rawr! Rarrr! -yawn-

Not sure I like the game, though.

We all haz surprise.

What surprise would that be?

You finished painting those sluggers?

there you go a couple of painted ones from their facebook page

Cool models (and fantastic paint jobs), but not sold on the game itself.

Time for CMON's KS of the month!

Good luck to them (not that they need it), but it's not for me.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
The monsters with their open mouths are great!

Rawr! Rarrr! -yawn-

Wow, I agree, they're adorable / hilarious

Is it possible to pledge $1 and up it in the pledge manager later? (Aimed at you CMON pros, i.e. has this worked for all of their campaigns to date, even if there isn't a pledge level dedicated to it?)

Yeah, just pledge a buck. They just mentioned that in the comments actually.

I wish I had my Rum and Bones in hand so I could make an informed decision on this. At face value it looks very interesting.

 MLaw wrote:
I wish I had my Rum and Bones in hand so I could make an informed decision on this. At face value it looks very interesting.

The concepts are vastly different to their implementation I learnt this the hard way.

 MLaw wrote:
I wish I had my Rum and Bones in hand so I could make an informed decision on this. At face value it looks very interesting.

Rum and bones should be on display at Origins in 1st week of June. You could always pledge a buck and wait for some more info IMO the R&B plastics I've seen are the best one piecers out there. They're a bit more detailed than the Z3 minis, which hold quite a bit of detail.

Gameplay video is up

Is there a miniatures only pledge?

FIRST!

The minis are well-sculpted and stylish, but outside my personal preferences. If there was a pledge for just the king and the two women, I'd go for that, but that would be ridiculously complicated for a KS.

much stretchgoalery occurred overnight so this has added








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So the normal bucket of KS exclusives again...

They have a business model, and I can't see them deviating from it any time soon. If you have a large number of loyal Kickstarter followers that are used to buying into the KS process, which removes all risk from production, gives you money a year in advance, gives no money to retailers and covers the full cost of shipping...you do everything you can to keep that model ticking over!

The interesting thing about exclusives in CMON Kickstarters though, is that their average KS campaign sells more units than many boardgames do at retail! So having 50% of the minis produced be exclusive is absolutely fine - they get all the money from the big fishes for the speciality stuff up front, and then get to mass-dump a game that's already been paid for into retail channels to get some more profit from the minnows.

It is not, however, particularly customer or retailer-friendly!

Bioptic wrote:

It is not, however, particularly nonkickstarter-customer or retailer-friendly!

An important distinction ...

Anyone have thoughts on the gameplay video?

I might go in for a dollar. This looks interesting and I really like how the heroes look (especially Astrid! ...What? I have a thing for lady-knights...) but with the fact that I just paid off R&B and Zombicide has a kickstarter next month... My meager paychecks can't all go to board games! Damn it, I'm conflicted.

Edit: Oh, yeah. I just backed Ninja All Stars. That was the one I was forgetting.

Mutter wrote:

Bioptic wrote:

It is not, however, particularly nonkickstarter-customer or retailer-friendly!

An important distinction ...

Actually, it's not very friendly for backers either! You are plonking down money for a product to be sent an indeterminate amount of time in the future. When it arrives, your personal situation may have changed (people who might have played it with you aren't around anymore, you don't have space for it) or you may not like the rules/play experience very much. You might have several Kickstarters arriving at the same time, and it just sort of falls by the wayside. You might have what would normally equate to 2-3 years worth of expansions delivered to you all in one go, and you rapidly realise that you don't want/need everything.

By forcing your hand ("get on board now, or miss out forever!") these sorts of Kickstarters completely break the normal purchasing pattern for boardgames, which is: have a chance to play it, decide that you like it, buy it and get it a few days later, buy expansions if you really enjoy it. Exclusives only serve to benefit the project creator, but they would be mad to break a very successful pattern/strategy.

I am not currently in the mood for a Castle-Panic-esque base defence game. Will I feel like one next Christmas? Possibly, who can say? But it will be too late then.

 cincydooley wrote:
Anyone have thoughts on the gameplay video?

I personally thought it looked really random and kind of dull, so I'm skipping this one even though I really like the hero sculpts and I've been a sucker for a lot of these CMoN campaigns.

Kickstarter has been a boon for some of us as well though. Great games, fair prices, lots of extras, increased play/ replay value... you just need to be careful what you back and know what you're looking for. With some of us having spent a few years doing the KS thing, it's gotten a bit easier as well.

Not all of us have the option of trying a game out either before making a purchase.

I tend to be the one who has to actually purchase the game in the first place, meaning I tend to really scrutinize what I buy, how it will play, where it will go, and what might need to leave my collection in order to accommodate a new game.

Games I buy also need to be something I can play (or paint) on my own during the interim periods I can't get others together to join me in whatever pastime suits my fancy.

Bioptic wrote:
Exclusives only serve to benefit the project creator, but they would be mad to break a very successful pattern/strategy.

I am not currently in the mood for a Castle-Panic-esque base defence game. Will I feel like one next Christmas? Possibly, who can say? But it will be too late then.

Almost everything a creator makes and develops is at the benefit of the project. However Exclusives do serve a good boon for convention environments. If a company plans to have presences at major conventions, they have something they can offer exclusively there to entice buyers.

The ones that are never sold anywhere again, those exclusives I agree don't' really have a purpose. I'm referring to Ghostbusters KS where they said they will not be sold or obtained anywhere else. I don't understand the reasoning to create molds, to create custom plastic miniatures that only get used once. It would be one thing if they are sold at special events or used as convention exclusives but otherwise it just seems a waste.

I tend to make my decisions based on miniatures usability. Can I use them for something else or re-purpose them if I don't like the existing game? I also look at resale or ability to trade, which CMoN for me has usually been pretty good. I definitely understand about things changing by the time the KS comes, that has happened quite a few times to me. Fortunately though I have either been able to resale them or trade them for something I want later without taking a loss, sometimes I even get a gain. I probably could get ahead more but I'm more interested in breaking even at the very least.

ecurtz wrote:

 cincydooley wrote:
Anyone have thoughts on the gameplay video?

I personally thought it looked really random and kind of dull, so I'm skipping this one even though I really like the hero sculpts and I've been a sucker for a lot of these CMoN campaigns.

What did you find to be dull?

This, to me, is a meatier version of castle panic, which I liked but found a little too simplistic, despite liking it overall.

Love the sculpts, but for now, the amount of unique plastic is still too low to balance out all the cardboard chaff I'd be throwing away. Still, 20 days left on this one, so if a bunch more heroes and alternate grunt sculpts show up, I'll probably buy in.

 cincydooley wrote:

What did you find to be dull?

This, to me, is a meatier version of castle panic, which I liked but found a little too simplistic, despite liking it overall.

It seemed like a very small number of actual decisions (at least informed decisions) and most stuff was basically on autopilot. I haven't played Castle Panic so I can't compare.