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Experiment 626 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
So, something challenges the Space marine players dominance (Eldar), Space marine players whine and wail, GW brings out a whole new codex just to buff them still further.

That's less to do with Marine players 'whining' and far more to do with the Marine codex almost always being one of the first to be redone when a new edition is released...

To be fair, Chaos Marine players have the right to continue to whine and wail, especially since they're still using the exact same guns they've had since 3rd edition... (meanwhile, Loyalists have gotten a veritable hoard of new toys for their grunts, because... "Reasons")

Beacause... money?

Chaos never sold as well as the loyalists.

Besides, Chaos players can't whine. Eldar are still sporting Finecast Aspect Warriors.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
So, something challenges the Space marine players dominance (Eldar), Space marine players whine and wail, GW brings out a whole new codex just to buff them still further.

That's less to do with Marine players 'whining' and far more to do with the Marine codex almost always being one of the first to be redone when a new edition is released...

To be fair, Chaos Marine players have the right to continue to whine and wail, especially since they're still using the exact same guns they've had since 3rd edition... (meanwhile, Loyalists have gotten a veritable hoard of new toys for their grunts, because... "Reasons")

Beacause... money?

Chaos never sold as well as the loyalists.

Besides, Chaos players can't whine. Eldar are still sporting Finecast Aspect Warriors.

That's one of those Catch22s though. You don't support a model range, they won't sell well. I wonder how Dark Eldar sales turned out after their first update in 15years?

And lets not forget that all the cult marines are still hybrid kits, obliterators are tied with razorgore for worst miniature of all time, etc. But hey, if CSM get an Eldar level update I'm sure they wouldn't complain.

 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
Chaos Marine players have the right to continue to whine and wail, especially since they're still using the exact same guns they've had since 3rd edition... (meanwhile, Loyalists have gotten a veritable hoard of new toys for their grunts, because... "Reasons")

You see, Experiment 626, in 40k lore the Imperium exists in a dark age of technological decline. Therefore it's only natural that Space Marines should have a wide variety of powerful weapons available, while their traitor brethren from the golden age have managed to lose or misplace nearly everything that isn't a boltgun... wait a minute...

"What's that, battle-brother?"

"This? Oh...oh this is nothing. We've always had these. Since the heresy. Honest. Old hat."

"Wha-wait, I've never seen one of those. MY chapter doesn't have any of those!"

"Right...well...that's because on account of they're so super duper rare, so it's understandable if, oh...say...the Blood Angels Space Wolves Grey Knights Dark Angels and Chaos Traitors probably wouldn't have any, because they're like extra super rare. Like, they probably only had, like, one, and they dropped it in a hole or something."

"Rare? You've got one strapped to one in every three of your bikes, you bloody liar! And those blokes over there are carrying one each, in fact, what the HELL is that they're wearing? Did you breed your Dreadnoughts with your Terminators, what heresy is this?"

"Oh, right....those...we've all got those. You get ten free with each purchase of Robot Girlyman's Codex Astartes (tm). Only five easy payments of 39,999."

"Hey! Battle brother get back here, what the hell! This is obviously both heresy and favoritism and we will not have-are you listening to me?"

"Sorry, that's the Dish Network guy at the door, we're going to install Xfinity in our Rhinos and Land Rai-I mean, oh, looks like we've dug up something we've all totally had since the heresy!"

the_scotsman wrote:

 CalgarsPimpHand wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
Chaos Marine players have the right to continue to whine and wail, especially since they're still using the exact same guns they've had since 3rd edition... (meanwhile, Loyalists have gotten a veritable hoard of new toys for their grunts, because... "Reasons")

You see, Experiment 626, in 40k lore the Imperium exists in a dark age of technological decline. Therefore it's only natural that Space Marines should have a wide variety of powerful weapons available, while their traitor brethren from the golden age have managed to lose or misplace nearly everything that isn't a boltgun... wait a minute...

"What's that, battle-brother?"

"This? Oh...oh this is nothing. We've always had these. Since the heresy. Honest. Old hat."

"Wha-wait, I've never seen one of those. MY chapter doesn't have any of those!"

"Right...well...that's because on account of they're so super duper rare, so it's understandable if, oh...say...the Blood Angels Space Wolves Grey Knights Dark Angels and Chaos Traitors probably wouldn't have any, because they're like extra super rare. Like, they probably only had, like, one, and they dropped it in a hole or something."

"Rare? You've got one strapped to one in every three of your bikes, you bloody liar! And those blokes over there are carrying one each, in fact, what the HELL is that they're wearing? Did you breed your Dreadnoughts with your Terminators, what heresy is this?"

"Oh, right....those...we've all got those. You get ten free with each purchase of Robot Girlyman's Codex Astartes (tm). Only five easy payments of 39,999."

"Hey! Battle brother get back here, what the hell! This is obviously both heresy and favoritism and we will not have-are you listening to me?"

"Sorry, that's the Dish Network guy at the door, we're going to install Xfinity in our Rhinos and Land Rai-I mean, oh, looks like we've dug up something we've all totally had since the heresy!"

Exalted because that is spot on.

I refuse to field centurions.

I don't field Centurions period, because they're diametrically opposed to the tactical doctrines laid down by my Primarch, Corvus Corax. After all, its hard to strike fast from the shadows and then withdraw when you're wearing a big slow and clunky exo suit.

Unfluffy lists are anathema to me.

upgrade kits confirmed, new re-direct

http://natfka.blogspot.ca/2015/05/re-directs-and-additional-information.html


old rumor about content of the upgrade kits:

http://natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/chapter-specific-sprue-details.html

It wouldn't surprise me if those upgrades weren't just shoulderpad packs or something; Space Wolves, Dark Angels, and Blood Angels already have bespoke kits of their dudes.

E: Besides, aren't the metal Ultramarines shoulderpads no longer available?

I want Imperial Fists!

We're still seeing codex updates from Chapterhouse fallout, and probably will for the rest of the year and next year (whenever they get to fantasy). Frankly, I would expect codex turnover to be high until everything is updated to 7th...although the SOB are just the most ignored army of 40k that GW doesn't seem to know what to do with, other than continue to sell warehouse stock.

So I predict we'll see at least one finecast replacement. I don't recall offhand what is finecast in the space marine lineup, but there is some.
I'm sure we'll see a bit of repackaging as well, moving to 32mm bases and possibly new instruction sheets.

I have no idea what will go on with the different chapter supplement books though.

 Schlyne wrote:
Frankly, I would expect codex turnover to be high until everything is updated to 7th

I remember us saying that during 6th. Then it was until everyone is in hardback. This high speed book turnover won't stop imo. It also parralels TSR's behaviour in their death spiral.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
So, something challenges the Space marine players dominance (Eldar), Space marine players whine and wail, GW brings out a whole new codex just to buff them still further.

That's less to do with Marine players 'whining' and far more to do with the Marine codex almost always being one of the first to be redone when a new edition is released...

To be fair, Chaos Marine players have the right to continue to whine and wail, especially since they're still using the exact same guns they've had since 3rd edition... (meanwhile, Loyalists have gotten a veritable hoard of new toys for their grunts, because... "Reasons")

Beacause... money?

Chaos never sold as well as the loyalists.

Besides, Chaos players can't whine. Eldar are still sporting Finecast Aspect Warriors.

Other than a few kits, Chaos are still using older models than the current Falicast Aspects. And one reason they don't sell as well as loyalists is that since 3.5, Chaos has been a gakky, weak army. Seeing as a good majority of the players are WAAC, why take a "fail" army like Chaos. And it's ironic because Chaos is supposed to represent the biggest threat to mankind, yet they can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. Hopefully, someday, they'll get a proper codex.

 warboss wrote:
The real reason is summed up by a single keystroke: $

That is literally two keystrokes

kb_lock wrote:

 warboss wrote:
The real reason is summed up by a single keystroke: $

That is literally two keystrokes

I see you don't have a Citadel Fineboard.

I personally hope the new Dev rumour is true and we get Devs with Grav Cannons. I want to see how GW gets around Salvo for them (seriously the rule might as well not even exist when 80% of the time it's on something relentless).

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

 insaniak wrote:

 master of ordinance wrote:
So, something challenges the Space marine players dominance (Eldar), Space marine players whine and wail, GW brings out a whole new codex just to buff them still further.

That's less to do with Marine players 'whining' and far more to do with the Marine codex almost always being one of the first to be redone when a new edition is released...

To be fair, Chaos Marine players have the right to continue to whine and wail, especially since they're still using the exact same guns they've had since 3rd edition... (meanwhile, Loyalists have gotten a veritable hoard of new toys for their grunts, because... "Reasons")

Beacause... money?

Chaos never sold as well as the loyalists.

Besides, Chaos players can't whine. Eldar are still sporting Finecast Aspect Warriors.

I disagree, sir. The plastic Berserkers came out when I still played the game, and that was 1998 I think because I remember being hyped that they were out (the only other plastics being the super crappy 2nd edition plastics) and immediately rushing to my FLGS to buy a box. The current CSM kit came out just as I left the game, so around 2002 I think?

And yes, Chaos never sold as well because they've always been the caricature, "Next time, Gadget! Next time!" sort of cartoony villain and not what they were intended to be, which was a lingering reminder of the past that the Imperium wishes would stay buried in the footnotes of history. Remember, Chaos is the only force except maybe Tyranids that gets the Imperium to wipe out an entire world, sterilize and/or kill and/or send to concentration camps everyone on that world just in case they got tainted and also so they can't talk about the fact that Chaos is real.

Chaos is supposed to be the ever-present big bad of the setting, and ever since 3.5 (barring maybe 2nd edition) they've been pretty much jokes that pose no real threat. Chaos is supposed to be Unicron, not Cobra Commander.

WayneTheGame wrote:

Chaos is supposed to be the ever-present big bad of the setting, and ever since 3.5 (barring maybe 2nd edition) they've been pretty much jokes that pose no real threat. Chaos is supposed to be Unicron, not Cobra Commander.

LOL. Yeah, this. Why Chaos is always so fracking crappy weak I will never understand. Other than a few very limited builds, they have no depth, when they are supposed to be wreaking havoc on all the universe. How the hell did they ever not just get annihilated by the Eldar? The way it's set up, a Craftworld could fly blindly into the Eye of the Storm and kill all the denizens of Chaos

They also seem to get the short end of the stick when it comes to models; once in a while they get a fantastic model like the Bloodthirster, but most of the time, they get jack. Part of the reason I gave up Chaos a long, long time ago, and filled that spot with Dark Eldar. Not a particularly strong faction either, but at least they get some model love.

So GW's solution to the codex blitz problem is to just keep the blitz up and re-release books every few months?

While I really like the Khorne Daemonkin book from a gameplay perspective (One of the best executions of thematic rules actually making a solid transition) the model showcases really drive home what an outdated mismatched design philosophy Chaos finds itself in.

On topic while my head is spinning from the turnover of these books I am curious to see how they handle their Chapter Tactics/Combi-Detachment and Formations.

 Harriticus wrote:
So GW's solution to the codex blitz problem is to just keep the blitz up and re-release books every few months?

I doubt GW think the current release rate is a problem.

 Eldarain wrote:
While I really like the Khorne Daemonkin book from a gameplay perspective (One of the best executions of thematic rules actually making a solid transition) the model showcases really drive home what an outdated mismatched design philosophy Chaos finds itself in.

On topic while my head is spinning from the turnover of these books I am curious to see how they handle their Chapter Tactics/Combi-Detachment and Formations.

Totally agree with you. Khorne Daemonkin Codex is fantastic. From a "fun" perspective. It's still fairly underpowered compared to almost every other book. But, the art and background make it one of my favorite books. Pity that it's still only on par with CSM.

 Eldarain wrote:
While I really like the Khorne Daemonkin book from a gameplay perspective (One of the best executions of thematic rules actually making a solid transition) the model showcases really drive home what an outdated mismatched design philosophy Chaos finds itself in.

Agreed, the only way to do Chaos justice (IMO) is to essentially build your own kits with third party bits and models and to pull bits from other kits, which, as someone whose current army project is to do exactly that, is bloody hard work.

First pictures of the coming sprues: http://imgur.com/a/tFwbw

EDIT: ninja'd

Those upgrade sprues are friggin awesome. My Red Corsairs are going to look FANCY.

Ohhhhhh chapter specific sprues, great way to limit the need for individual kits. I like it!!! Malik means if you already got a. Inch you can just buy the upgrade sprues

I spy some Imperial FIsts at the bottom. Hopefully they will be getting an upgrade sprue as well. I will buy ten.

I think that Fists pic is the new ASM box.

look fantastic so far, but personally I think I would still choose to go with the classic mkIII-IV look of forge world upgrade kits

Upgrade sprues will likely be splash then direct only. They look clampack sized, and probably $20 or so. Just a guess.

Really hoping the other chapters will get upgrades, and not just UM (who do need it) and DA (who really didn't). SW and BA have tons of parts, so I'm not a fan of upgrade sprues for them.
An IH upgrade sprue would have me drooling...

I really hope the bases on those assault marines are just 'creative' basing, rather than every assault marine actually having rocks moulded on...


At some point, I'm hoping that GW remember than posing a model on top of something isn't actually necessary for conveying rapid movement...

Wait... that's it? A sword, a dagger, a torso, some heads and 10 shoulder pads? You must be joking.

Where are the chapter-specific Terminator/Scout/Centurion parts?