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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Fayric wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
SW shouldn't even exist, since there is basically no place that people will be using them since SW have all of their own kits. BA and DA could have come later. DA already have/had an upgrade sprue.

Im confused, SW has less specific kits than BA

SW have their own Tactical, Devastator, Assault, and Terminator kits. BA have their own Tactical and Assault Terminator kits, so their have to use the standard SM kit for Devastator, Assault, and Tactical Terminators. So BA have more kits that need to upgrade than SW. I am not talking actual kits in total kits (though SW have 9 exclusive non-character kits to BA's 7, so even then SW edge BA out...).

It's actually pretty close. BA don't have their own tactical terminator kit, by the way. Excluding old resin kits:

SW: Tactical (Grey hunters), Devastator (Long Fangs), Assault (Skyclaw), Thunderwolf Cavalry, Terminators, Drednought, Stormwolf, Santa sleigh, Fenrisian Wolves
BA: Tactical, Assault (Death Company), Sanguinary Guard, (Assault) Terminators, Dreadnought, Baal Pred, Librarian, Priest, and Stormraven comes OOB with BA icons.

Effectively, BA and SW can both model all heavy weapons, tactical marines and assault marines, terminators, and dreadnoughts using themed bits. Both have access to a themed flyer. SW TWC are offset by Sanguinary Guard. And the heroes are kind of comparable, I guess. BA don't have a specific devastator kit, but who cares -- getting 2 of each heavy weapon in a box of 5 blows anyways (you need to buy 3 boxes to field 5 of anything, and it's only a total of 15 units). Instead, buy 5 boxes of tacticals + enough assault for jump packs, and you'll have all the parts you need to make any combination of themed tactical, devastator and assault you want. And have like 60+ marines, which means that you'll have a bunch of spare torsos and other parts, plus be able to use which ever lower torsos make you happy for posing.

I guess SW edges it out a little bit, because their flyer is more unique, and the santa sleigh is.. uh.. different. Plus TWC is very unique. OTOH, BA look a lot closer to regular marines, if that's your thing. Either way, neither faction has much to complain about in terms of model love.

Still, an upgrade frame is most welcome It's not like you have to buy it.

 Kosake wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.

There probably should be, but then all the Sisters players would act up.

Seriously, if one deserves that thread, then it's sisters.

I'm sure both of the remaining SOB players could just take it to PM's instead of taking up a valuable thread that is better put to use by persistant(ly disgruntled) Chaos players.

 pretre wrote:

 Timotheus wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Do we know that the codex is being replaced and that this isn't just a splash release of upgrade sprues?

Yes since we got redirects for a new Codex, Command Tanks as well as the Upgrade Kits, Devastators and Assault Marines. Also common sense...

So you agree that there hasn't been any info on an actual codex release. Thanks!

What do you expect? Rountree on the telephone?

For me those two are enough. If you don't agree then I guess you have to wait about 2 or 3 weeks like everybody else.

 warboss wrote:
'm sure both of the remaining SOB players could just take it to PM's instead of taking up a valuable thread that is better put to use by persistant(ly disgruntled) Chaos players.

You have no idea, son.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 warboss wrote:
'm sure both of the remaining SOB players could just take it to PM's instead of taking up a valuable thread that is better put to use by persistant(ly disgruntled) Chaos players.

You have no idea, son.

In case it didn't translate well, the above was a joke. There was supposed to be a at the end.

 pretre wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Except didn't LoW say a new book would be about now?

That's fairly solid info.

Agreed. There have been solid sources that rumored a new book. I was basically asking if there was actual confirmation though.

Then wait 4 days for the preorders to be up and you can see for yourself. GW doesn't do confirmations until they can take your money for it.

 SharkoutofWata wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Except didn't LoW say a new book would be about now?

That's fairly solid info.

Agreed. There have been solid sources that rumored a new book. I was basically asking if there was actual confirmation though.

Then wait 4 days for the preorders to be up and you can see for yourself. GW doesn't do confirmations until they can take your money for it.

Likely there won't be a book this week, it would be in the White Dwarf. The current rumor is a 3 week release schedule and part of that includes the Assault Marines and Devestators, so probably this weekend will the the Assault box, next weekend the Devestator box, and then the book after that.

 Talys wrote:


Still, an upgrade frame is most welcome It's not like you have to buy it.

Trust me, I will be buying a number of the BA upgrade kits. I agree, the upgrade frame is very welcome, I just wish other codices received it before SW and BA (I have armies of both of these, BTW). Definitely Fists since two Chapters in the book use that iconography. But all of the other FF chapters in the C:SM should have received them before BA and SW too. But, it isn't like this is something they can't release more of in the future. Maybe next year when 8th Ed comes out and they release a new SM codex for it we will get the other upgrade frames :p.

BTW, do we know what the transport capacity, if any, of the Land Raider Excelsior is? I am actually considering getting the Command Tank set, provided that the Land Raider can fit at least five Terminators in it (preferably 6 so I can put Pedro Kantor in there as well). If rumors are correct and the tank combo costs as much as four TFC, maybe not...

 SharkoutofWata wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Except didn't LoW say a new book would be about now?

That's fairly solid info.

Agreed. There have been solid sources that rumored a new book. I was basically asking if there was actual confirmation though.

Then wait 4 days for the preorders to be up and you can see for yourself. GW doesn't do confirmations until they can take your money for it.

What Pretre is saying is there's nothing in the WD that confirms the book, just a SM wave. The book is likely, but still unconfirmed.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 SharkoutofWata wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Azreal13 wrote:
Except didn't LoW say a new book would be about now?

That's fairly solid info.

Agreed. There have been solid sources that rumored a new book. I was basically asking if there was actual confirmation though.

Then wait 4 days for the preorders to be up and you can see for yourself. GW doesn't do confirmations until they can take your money for it.

What Pretre is saying is there's nothing in the WD that confirms the book, just a SM wave. The book is likely, but still unconfirmed.

Exactly.

I was asking if any of the leaks had shown a book. They have not. Geeze.

Misunderstanding

Sigh.

Usually by now there's been rules leaks. So far nothing.

As I said before, I'd bet good money the molds for the upgrade sprues were made years ago.....

General Hobbs wrote:


Usually by now there's been rules leaks. So far nothing.

As I said before, I'd bet good money the molds for the upgrade sprues were made years ago.....

Not really. We didn't have much of anything concrete from the BA codex until Week 2 (Codex Week) of the release schedule. I really didn't pay that close attention to the other codices that came out this year. Still, it is weird that we haven't seen any rules break yet. We don't even have complete rules for the command tanks.

The fact that we are getting these upgrade sprues in spite of the fact that two of the armies getting them have dedicated Tactical Squads does definitely does make it seem like these were made a while ago then set aside for some reason.

I am really hoping that they abolish the Honour Guard and make Chapter Masters be able to take Command Squads. I am betting that we will see Command Squads pushed into the already overcrowded Elites slot, though. I want Pedro Kantor to be able to get FNP to shore up his overly moronic 3+/4++, though I would gladly take a 2+/4++. Seriously, his Honour Guard had a better armor save than him.

warboss wrote:Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.

casvalremdeikun wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


Usually by now there's been rules leaks. So far nothing.

As I said before, I'd bet good money the molds for the upgrade sprues were made years ago.....

Not really. We didn't have much of anything concrete from the BA codex until Week 2 (Codex Week) of the release schedule. I really didn't pay that close attention to the other codices that came out this year. Still, it is weird that we haven't seen any rules break yet. We don't even have complete rules for the command tanks.

The fact that we are getting these upgrade sprues in spite of the fact that two of the armies getting them have dedicated Tactical Squads does definitely does make it seem like these were made a while ago then set aside for some reason.

I am really hoping that they abolish the Honour Guard and make Chapter Masters be able to take Command Squads. I am betting that we will see Command Squads pushed into the already overcrowded Elites slot, though. I want Pedro Kantor to be able to get FNP to shore up his overly moronic 3+/4++, though I would gladly take a 2+/4++. Seriously, his Honour Guard had a better armor save than him.

Well, as long as you have the option to upgrade Command Squads to Honor Guard, I'd appreciate that.

But, if not, oh well. Maybe they'll let Marneus Calgar take 3 Command Squads instead?

 Crazyterran wrote:

warboss wrote:Is there a permanent stickied thread for Chaos players to complain every time someone/anyone gets models or rules besides them? If not, there should be.

casvalremdeikun wrote:

General Hobbs wrote:


Usually by now there's been rules leaks. So far nothing.

As I said before, I'd bet good money the molds for the upgrade sprues were made years ago.....

Not really. We didn't have much of anything concrete from the BA codex until Week 2 (Codex Week) of the release schedule. I really didn't pay that close attention to the other codices that came out this year. Still, it is weird that we haven't seen any rules break yet. We don't even have complete rules for the command tanks.

The fact that we are getting these upgrade sprues in spite of the fact that two of the armies getting them have dedicated Tactical Squads does definitely does make it seem like these were made a while ago then set aside for some reason.

I am really hoping that they abolish the Honour Guard and make Chapter Masters be able to take Command Squads. I am betting that we will see Command Squads pushed into the already overcrowded Elites slot, though. I want Pedro Kantor to be able to get FNP to shore up his overly moronic 3+/4++, though I would gladly take a 2+/4++. Seriously, his Honour Guard had a better armor save than him.

Well, as long as you have the option to upgrade Command Squads to Honor Guard, I'd appreciate that.

But, if not, oh well. Maybe they'll let Marneus Calgar take 3 Command Squads instead?

I would be okay with the Command Squad being able to be upgraded to an Honour Guard. Really, it would just amount to upgrade the five veterans to Artificer Armor and a Power Weapon or Relic Blade. This would negate the ability to upgrade them to an apothecary or company champion, of course.

My other wishlist thing is for the Stalker and Hunter to receive some sort of a bump. Since they are dedicated AA tanks, they should have Interceptor. The Stalker should also be able to use Servo-tracking to shoot ground targets at BS2. I can't imagine these tanks are selling too well, what with them costing $8 USD more than the other Rhino Pattern, despite the other tanks having just as many options and also being infinitely more useful.


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You know, the more I think about it, it really irks me quite a bit that, despite having additional books out for them, the Imperial Fists and Iron Hands don't get upgrade sprues.

The SW Longfang and Sky Claw boxes are simply a SW sprue + a dev/AM sprue. Since both of the later are going to be replaced, I expect both boxes to vanish. Instead we are supposed to get the new vanilla devs/AMs + upgrade sprue.

So this sprue would replace 2 boxes + the finecast shoulder pads. Makes sense to me.

I don't see the standard SW box being dropped for tac box + sprue as you need all those weapons to make Blood Claws and Wolf Guard.

Have we actually seen evidence of a SW and BA upgrade sprue?

I see the pics for the Ultras and DA's, but nothing suggesting BA and SW?

Did I blink and miss it?

Redirects have been found on the GW website.

 FrothingMuppet wrote:
Have we actually seen evidence of a SW and BA upgrade sprue?

I see the pics for the Ultras and DA's, but nothing suggesting BA and SW?

Did I blink and miss it?

I swear I saw reference to them in the images from the WD, but apparently I am hallucinating.

The release will be officially announced on May 30th, giving us time to pre-order for a June release

Anything on the codex yet??

Pyreguard wrote:
Anything on the codex yet??

Rules wise?

No.

The newer artwork sucks.

Maybe after their horrible relationships with artists no one wants to work with them anymore.

What artwork?

I can't view the video above at work, but I assume it's the one with the kneeling marine and the servitors nearby? I thought that looked quite amazing even if it was a bit random in layout.

I assume you like the older work like Blanche and such?

 FrothingMuppet wrote:
Have we actually seen evidence of a SW and BA upgrade sprue?

I see the pics for the Ultras and DA's, but nothing suggesting BA and SW?

Did I blink and miss it?

No Evidence. Only this:

via Darnok @ Warseer
I've been told there would be two more upgrade sets, so UM and DA are only the first half of that. Devastators will be the second kit after Assault Marines. Add a few clampack characters, and that's the SM release. DA will only get a codex and a character (plus this upgrade frame). I don't know whether the older DA upgrade sprue will remain in production - I hope so

Edit: And redirects as mentioned before.

 uk_crow wrote:

Spoiler:

Found these whilst browsing, images courtesy of http://anythingbutones.blogspot.co.uk

GW are moving all Marines onto 32mm bases now?

Tyron wrote:

 uk_crow wrote:

Spoiler:

Found these whilst browsing, images courtesy of http://anythingbutones.blogspot.co.uk

GW are moving all Marines onto 32mm bases now?

Apperently yes. I myself highly approve this.

 Timotheus wrote:

Tyron wrote:

 uk_crow wrote:

Spoiler:

Found these whilst browsing, images courtesy of http://anythingbutones.blogspot.co.uk

GW are moving all Marines onto 32mm bases now?

Apperently yes. I myself highly approve this.

Ah, luckily luck I haven't made prototype trays then

 natpri771 wrote:
The release will be officially announced on May 30th, giving us time to pre-order for a June release

- Nekkid marine hype woot woot! Show us that black carapace, son! By the way, should it not be… black, or something?
- My money is on the Incubi. Pretty boy just does not seem up to the task.