New Adeptus Astartes - Page #46 Chaplain and Libby

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**pretre**

I want to touch the SW sprue in a bad place.

**Redemption**

En Excelsis wrote:
Very disappointing to read that blurb about the Dark Angels Upgrade Kit.

I'm a fan of variety so I won't fuss when other armies are treated better - after all, BA, SW, & UM Players probably do make up the bulk of SM players - but honestly they don't really need their own Tactical box sets... that's just insulting when DA are the only ones whose models look different enough to actually require a different model. I don't need more heads. Or Shoulders. Or Icons... What i need is Tactical Marines in friggin' robes. The DA Tax is just OTT expensive.

And WTF is up with the feathered Khorne helmets? I know the DA take the 'angels' thing more literally than other chapters but... for real? Those wings look terrible? Very tacky.

As it stands, a squad of DA Marines costs $35 for the 10 man box, $66 more USD for the two boxes of Veterans so that I can use their robes. Anyone else paying $100 USD per tac squad? didn't think so...

It's even worse for ASM. I have to buy the ASM, then the Vets for just 5 guys. I take it one step further and buy the Sanguinary Guard and use their winged jump packs as well - if I'm investing that much into 5 dudes I may as well go all in.

Here's hoping (in vain likely) that the BA do in fact get at tactical box ... they genuinely need it more than any other chapter.

Except that in the fluff DA tacticals don't wear robes; only Veterans do. A DA specific tactical box would still only have 1 robe at best.

**RedFox**

very tempted to buy all 3 transfer sheets for....future use...or ebay

**Young_Logan**

As a space wolf player I don't really see the point in us getting an upgrade kit as pointed out by many others. Although it is nice to see that other than shoulder pads they don't seem to recycled sculpts which they could have so easily been

However that frost sword and all the bits that aren't shoulder pads will make me get it, just so I can convert up some 30k marines.

**mjl7atlas**

I am probably alone here but I loathe the feather helmets on Dark Angels. They are my favorite chapter but I have always hated the absurdity of them. Even went so far as to slip all the feathers off of all my Dark Angels. Just seems .....off somehow to me.

**Gitsplitta**

I gotta say... as an opening salvo for the new SM dex and releases... I think this is pretty lack-luster.

**ImAGeek**

Gitsplitta wrote:
I gotta say... as an opening salvo for the new SM dex and releases... I think this is pretty lack-luster.

I think I prefer it to the Centurions and £18 characters of the last one in fairness.

**angelofvengeance**

I foresee some awesome Ragnar Blackmane conversions from that Space Wolves sprue. That chain sword is awesome.

Also... FETHING YES!!! No more free hand wing and dagger motifs for me. Or attempted Libby banners etc etc. Some really nice vehicle markings there too!

**Requizen**

Meh, I don't think you can constantly have killer releases each time. We've been a bit spoiled with the last few releases, occasionally you just need to get stuff like this out of the way. I mean, I know SM are the posterboys and stuff, but if they're not adding anything new to the codex, I'm not surprised this first week is just like this.

**rollawaythestone**

Yeah, they *just* released Space Marines. This is going to necessarily be a lighter release.

**DarkStarSabre**

This looks....

Disappointing.

Upgrade sprues for chapters that already have their own kits or upgrade sprue equivalent (Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves) but...nothing for Iron Hands, White Scars, Imperial Fists or Salamanders? That seems redundant and also slightly off when you consider that BA, DA and SW have their own books and are nothing to do with the core SM Codex....

Then you add in Transfer sheets for two of those chapters again! (BA and DA) - also oddly out of place - they already have plenty of options for moulded shoulder pads in their respective kits...why do they now need transfers too?

For an opening salvo for a SM codex release....this seems strangely out of focus. You're meant to be pushing new SMs, not BAs, DAs and SWs.

Only thing to note?

That SM Assault Squad has an Eviscerator. OH MY.

**Mario**

Young_Logan wrote:
As a space wolf player I don't really see the point in us getting an upgrade kit as pointed out by many others. Although it is nice to see that other than shoulder pads they don't seem to recycled sculpts which they could have so easily been

However that frost sword and all the bits that aren't shoulder pads will make me get it, just so I can convert up some 30k marines.

What if they remove all the Spacewolves related squad boxes and you get to use this sprue with regular squads (to save shelf space)? That's three to five fewer boxes (Bloodclaws, Grey Hunter, Long Fangs, Skyclaws, Wolf Guard)

**pads1982**

In other random thoughts... will Space Marines get dice? Did Eldar get dice? I don't think so, right? I'm kind of kicking myself for not getting the Harlequin ones -- a friend has a set, and they're pretty nifty. They seem such hit and miss. For instance, I have Skaven -- which are awesome -- and Blood Angels, which are just boring red dice.

**Requizen**

pads1982 wrote:

In other random thoughts... will Space Marines get dice? Did Eldar get dice? I don't think so, right? I'm kind of kicking myself for not getting the Harlequin ones -- a friend has a set, and they're pretty nifty. They seem such hit and miss. For instance, I have Skaven -- which are awesome -- and Blood Angels, which are just boring red dice.

My harli dice are loaded I swear they roll 1s about a third of the time

Well there was a study a while ago about the regular Citadel dice that showed that they rolled 1s slightly more often than other dice.

**SickSix**

So what was the price bump for the new ASM box? $8 US?

**Matt.Kingsley**

Requizen wrote:
pads1982 wrote:

In other random thoughts... will Space Marines get dice? Did Eldar get dice? I don't think so, right? I'm kind of kicking myself for not getting the Harlequin ones -- a friend has a set, and they're pretty nifty. They seem such hit and miss. For instance, I have Skaven -- which are awesome -- and Blood Angels, which are just boring red dice.

My harli dice are loaded I swear they roll 1s about a third of the time

Well there was a study a while ago about the regular Citadel dice that showed that they rolled 1s slightly more often than other dice.

If you roll more 1s... games are shorter.
Shorter games means you can get more games.
More games means Forging™ more Narratives™!

**pretre**

SickSix wrote:
So what was the price bump for the new ASM box? $8 US?

Yep.

**Kanluwen**

Redemption wrote:

Except that in the fluff DA tacticals don't wear robes; only Veterans do. A DA specific tactical box would still only have 1 robe at best.

Any member of the Dark Angels who is considered to be inducted into the whole "Fallen are really Dark Angels gone Bad" thing can wear robes, so you could actually justify a fully robed army easily enough.

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Mario wrote:
Young_Logan wrote:
As a space wolf player I don't really see the point in us getting an upgrade kit as pointed out by many others. Although it is nice to see that other than shoulder pads they don't seem to recycled sculpts which they could have so easily been

However that frost sword and all the bits that aren't shoulder pads will make me get it, just so I can convert up some 30k marines.

What if they remove all the Spacewolves related squad boxes and you get to use this sprue with regular squads (to save shelf space)? That's three to five fewer boxes (Bloodclaws, Grey Hunter, Long Fangs, Skyclaws, Wolf Guard)

The Blood Claws and Wolf Guard and Grey Hunters are all in the same box labeled "Space Wolves Pack". They show up on the GW website as different items because that's what they do now with multi-kit boxes. There are effectively four "Troopish" boxes for Space Wolves: Wolf Guard Terminators, Space Wolves Pack, Skyclaws, and Long Fangs.

Honestly these sprues strike me less as "We're making squad upgrade packs now!" and more "We're making character upgrade packs that match some older models so we can discontinue them!".
Wolf Skull helmet coupled with some of the other parts and a Crozius Arcanum/Plasma Pistol equals a brand spankin' new Ulrik the Slayer.
Pelt and backpack coupled with the Frost Sword and some creative modeling equals a new Ragnar Blackmane.
The bits for Blood Angels can pretty easily make you a new Tycho or Corbulo as well.

**casvalremdeikun**

Wow, the BA sprue is underwhelming compared to the others. The DA one comes with an awesome Power Sword/Relic Blade and a plasma pistol, the SW comes with a huge chainsword and a cool looking Frost Axe, UM comes with a power sword. The BA one comes with a...dagger. At least it comes with a blood chalice so you can custom make a Sanguinary Priest from an Apothecary.

**Redemption**

Kanluwen wrote:
Redemption wrote:

Except that in the fluff DA tacticals don't wear robes; only Veterans do. A DA specific tactical box would still only have 1 robe at best.

Any member of the Dark Angels who is considered to be inducted into the whole "Fallen are really Dark Angels gone Bad" thing can wear robes, so you could actually justify a fully robed army easily enough.

Technically, yeah, but that's not how GW displays them themselves, where generally use the robes as a way to easily distinguish between different types of units/models.

It's the same for BA with nipple armour, GK with loin cloths, BT with tabards, UM with pteruges/plumes, etc.

**bullyboy**

I feel the opposite, i thought the BA sprue looked the best out of the lot

**Kanluwen**

Redemption wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
Redemption wrote:

Except that in the fluff DA tacticals don't wear robes; only Veterans do. A DA specific tactical box would still only have 1 robe at best.

Any member of the Dark Angels who is considered to be inducted into the whole "Fallen are really Dark Angels gone Bad" thing can wear robes, so you could actually justify a fully robed army easily enough.

Technically, yeah, but that's not how GW displays them themselves, where generally use the robes as a way to easily distinguish between different types of units/models.

And "technically", they're doing it wrong by not having their Sergeants wearing robes in the majority of the squads and not having robes across the entirety of the Deathwing squads.

The ability to be ENTITLED to wear the robes does not necessarily equate to someone wearing them.

**Ffyllotek**

As a necron player I really feel your pain for having to use all these upgrade sprues... must be terribly taxing to be able to set your guys up with maximum individualism, customer poses, unlimited weaponry and use rule of cool at all times...

**Frozen Ocean**

I really hope that more will follow. If not, they have bizarrely chosen to only release content for three of the four (the last being Grey Knights) most highly-decorated Chapters. I mean, wow. An Iron Hands sprue would probably be popular among non-IH players simply for the bionics. An Imperial Fists one would do double for Crimson Fists, and a Black Templars one could be useful for anyone who wants tabards and more power swords.

And they couldn't even do one for Chaos to go with Khorne Daemonkin.

**Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl**

Ffyllotek wrote:
As a necron player I really feel your pain for having to use all these upgrade sprues... must be terribly taxing to be able to set your guys up with maximum individualism, customer poses, unlimited weaponry and use rule of cool at all times...

Hey. Your models are plastic and multipart!

**angelofvengeance**

The Deathwing have agents spread throughout the chapter to monitor everyone for signs of corruption. Anyone deemed worthy within the Chapter, can be inducted to the Deathwing. If they can't handle it or are deemed a security risk, they're bumped off in an "accident" or killed on the spot. Techmarines are not allowed in the Deathwing because their allegiance is split between the Chapter and the Mechanicus.

**Frozen Ocean**

Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:
Ffyllotek wrote:
As a necron player I really feel your pain for having to use all these upgrade sprues... must be terribly taxing to be able to set your guys up with maximum individualism, customer poses, unlimited weaponry and use rule of cool at all times...

Hey. Your models are plastic and multipart!

Is lack of individualism really a valid complaint with Necrons?

**Desubot**

Frozen Ocean wrote:
I really hope that more will follow. If not, they have bizarrely chosen to only release content for three of the four (the last being Grey Knights) most highly-decorated Chapters. I mean, wow. An Iron Hands sprue would probably be popular among non-IH players simply for the bionics. An Imperial Fists one would do double for Crimson Fists, and a Black Templars one could be useful for anyone who wants tabards and more power swords.

And they couldn't even do one for Chaos to go with Khorne Daemonkin.

Im pretty sure they will get to it.

They have plently of BA DA and SW cad stuff from recent releases cutting and pasting out new spues should be quick for those which makes sense. as for Smurfs.... well they are smurfs so would probably get all the loving.
C:SM is probably going to be only first founding chapters book with supplements for second + founding like BT and CF.

we will probably see single upgrade spures for the rest of the First founding eventually.

i mean its like printing money

**Zewrath**

This just goes to prove their horrible perception of their customer base. Making upgrade sprues for 3 of the most overdecorated chapters in the Imperium of Man, neither of which belong in the C:SM book, is not only absurdly redundant (considering the sheer amount of bits available for the respective chapters); it's also stupid and insulting beyond belief.

What's that? You wanted chapters other than Matt Ward's wet fantasy Smurfs to get attention and actual recognition? Well feth that; here's some ULTRAMARINES, lead by your chapter masters spiritual liege!
Also, we're going to rerelease 2 units, both of which are terrible units and rarely, if ever, gets off the shelf from which they collect dust from and raise the price a bit more for good measure.

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Reds8n

**Warhams-77**

These sprues and decal sheets seem to herald the GW Horus Heresy release rumored to come in Fall 2015. Afaik Jes Goodwin's daughter has done lots of new decal sheets for GW and FW and there are more to come. This is not a rumor but was talked about on Warhammer Fest (if I remember correctly).

GW will probably not produce Tactical Squad and other boxes for all major chapters. These new type of upgrade sprues and transfer sheets are a good way to provide chapter specific bits for Space Marines - loyal and renegade, for 30k and 40k. Financially it just makes the most sense. Also Deathwatch are probably getting an upgrade sprue or two.