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Yes, there was also talk about a force stave for the other hand.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Dark Angels AFTER Codex: Space Marines?

YOU MEAN THE UNFORGIVEN MIGHT HAVE ALL THE GOOD STUFF THIS TIME?!

Nah the new DA codex will be a long list of vehicles, weapons and units the DA may not use.

 Timotheus wrote:


Ok it is actually true. I got a picture of the new Interrogator Chaplain where you can see a part of the staff of the new Librarian...

Spoiler:

Now that is NICE! I like it!

Also not sure why people are complaining about no new units for the C:SM release. The book is so chocked full of units that people don't field as it is. I mean it's already kind of a saturated army. Look what happened the last time they added a new unit for goodness sake!

Wonderwolf wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:


There's equally as many people who do the opposite and claim any kind of negative view about GW is just 'whining' for no reason. It works both ways.

So both could go into a dedicated thread? Win-Win!!

Complaints about a new release are at least on-topic in the thread discussing that new release.


If you really want to discuss the fact that people complain a lot, a different thread would be a good idea.



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On a positive note, that Chaplain does look nice. Not sure I'd ever put a power fist on a chaplain, since he comes with a maul anyway... but the pose would make pretty simple to change.

 SickSix wrote:

Also not sure why people are complaining about no new units for the C:SM release. The book is so chocked full of units that people don't field as it is. I mean it's already kind of a saturated army. Look what happened the last time they added a new unit for goodness sake!

They pioneered a popular rule-of-cool concept which has since gone (geek-) mainstream with a vengeance, no matter how hard the haters try to hate it?

Wonderwolf wrote:

 SickSix wrote:

Also not sure why people are complaining about no new units for the C:SM release. The book is so chocked full of units that people don't field as it is. I mean it's already kind of a saturated army. Look what happened the last time they added a new unit for goodness sake!

They pioneered a popular rule-of-cool concept which has since gone (geek-) mainstream with a vengeance, no matter how hard the haters try to hate it?

Spoiler:

I seriously doubt the designers of modern Iron Man have any idea about GW Space Marine Centurions lol. And no, that Iron man suit looks kinda stupid too. IMHO

 ImAGeek wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Dark Angels AFTER Codex: Space Marines?

YOU MEAN THE UNFORGIVEN MIGHT HAVE ALL THE GOOD STUFF THIS TIME?!

Nah. They'll just nerf the stuff from C:SM. Can't have a good Dark Angels codex after all!

Well, its kinda normal, Dark Angels arn't Space Marines but Chaos Space Marines in disguise, everyone knows that.

 SickSix wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

 SickSix wrote:

Also not sure why people are complaining about no new units for the C:SM release. The book is so chocked full of units that people don't field as it is. I mean it's already kind of a saturated army. Look what happened the last time they added a new unit for goodness sake!

They pioneered a popular rule-of-cool concept which has since gone (geek-) mainstream with a vengeance, no matter how hard the haters try to hate it?

Spoiler:

I seriously doubt the designers of modern Iron Man have any idea about GW Space Marine Centurions lol. And no, that Iron man suit looks kinda stupid too. IMHO

Yea you're right, the design team for a multi-million dollar motion picture marketed to nerds would have absolutely no cause to know about power armor.

Iron Man's Hulkbuster armour predates Centurions by several decades:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man's_armor#Hulkbuster_Armor_.28Modular_Add-on.29

 Redemption wrote:
Iron Man's Hulkbuster armour predates Centurions by several decades:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man's_armor#Hulkbuster_Armor_.28Modular_Add-on.29

But not as envisioned in the movie as "Iron Man within an Iron Man".

That aside, I am not saying they directly ripped-off Centurions (which neither are a totally unique or new concept). Just saying the basic idea is awesome and cool (and widely accepted at being just that).

Warhams-77 wrote:

 RedFox wrote:
Hope it's a new librarian in terminator armor

because we already have one perfectly fine plastic model in power armor

It is The guys with the WD and WHV said so - and the model can have either a right hand Stormbolter or an open right hand.

I hope it's a multi-part model that can easily be converted for a grey knight librarian terminator

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Iron Man's Hulkbuster armour predates Centurions by several decades:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man's_armor#Hulkbuster_Armor_.28Modular_Add-on.29

But not as envisioned in the movie as "Iron Man within an Iron Man".

That aside, I am not saying they directly ripped-off Centurions (which neither are a totally unique or new concept). Just saying the basic idea is awesome and cool (and widely accepted at being just that).

It's not the idea that I don't like about the Centurions so much as the awful models.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Iron Man's Hulkbuster armour predates Centurions by several decades:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man's_armor#Hulkbuster_Armor_.28Modular_Add-on.29

But not as envisioned in the movie as "Iron Man within an Iron Man".

That aside, I am not saying they directly ripped-off Centurions (which neither are a totally unique or new concept). Just saying the basic idea is awesome and cool (and widely accepted at being just that).

It's a neat concept. The problem I have with centurion models is that they aren't full enclosures and look more like harnesses strapped onto existing power armor. The Hulkbuster fully encloses Iron Man and the picture above is from when the armor is forming. There's no tiny-headed Hulbuster in the movie aside from that.

 RedFox wrote:

Warhams-77 wrote:

 RedFox wrote:
Hope it's a new librarian in terminator armor

because we already have one perfectly fine plastic model in power armor

It is The guys with the WD and WHV said so - and the model can have either a right hand Stormbolter or an open right hand.

I hope it's a multi-part model that can easily be converted for a grey knight librarian terminator

Any Grey Knight Terminator can be a Librarian.

Just sayin'. There's a reason why people were bummed about the Blood Angels Librarian and his iconography, and it wasn't because Grey Knights players can't make Librarians out of the Terminator/Paladin kit.

Wonderwolf wrote:

 Redemption wrote:
Iron Man's Hulkbuster armour predates Centurions by several decades:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man's_armor#Hulkbuster_Armor_.28Modular_Add-on.29

But not as envisioned in the movie as "Iron Man within an Iron Man".

That aside, I am not saying they directly ripped-off Centurions (which neither are a totally unique or new concept). Just saying the basic idea is awesome and cool (and widely accepted at being just that).

except every incarnation wince atleast 1998 when marvel started the whole manga style stuff.

The idea is an old one, I'm pretty sure I remember transformer and gundam designs from the early to mid 90s doing the same thing. If there is one thing we know for sure is that GW is almost absolutely derivative of other works. The centurions are even self derived, just smaller dreadknights.

I hope GW slows down the "innovation" and focuses on refining what they have. So many units need reworking or have been just discontinued and could be redone to great profit. Ork buggies, aspect warriors, avatar, ork warboss, tau firewarriors, crisis suits, kroot, vespids, almost everything chaos (marines and daemons). Let's have updated pieces before they decide we need new stuff to magically appear as if it had been there all along

 General Kroll wrote:


I mean if that's their view fair enough, but I think some people just need to let it go and chill out.

Theres an easy solution to whiny posters: the ignore button.

I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.

The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!

Nvs wrote:
How long until GW just goes with a membership fee model like Microsoft and Adobe did?

For just $10/mo you can get access to all our rules!

If it includes WD I'd be up for it.

That Chaplin is something I'd pick up. But personally I hope that the fallen get something.

 scottmmmm wrote:
I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.

!

Really, (and as someone with Space Wolf, Dark Angels and two regular Marine armies) I would still prefer them to just roll all of the variants back into the one codex with a trait system ala 4th edition.

 scottmmmm wrote:
I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.

The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!

Since Black Templars are the only faithful chapter out of all the godless non emperor worshipping pagans they will be combined with their sisters in arms in a new book.

It will be called Codex: When Hell Freezes Over.

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Now that I think about it, is GW purposely marginalizing the heavily religious armies? How about Bretonnia on the fantasy side as well

 MrFlutterPie wrote:

 scottmmmm wrote:
I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.

The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!

Since Black Templars are the only faithful chapter out of all the godless non emperor worshipping pagans they will be combined with their sisters in arms in a new book.

It will be called Codex: When Hell Freezes Over.

---------------

Now that I think about it, is GW purposely marginalizing the heavily religious armies? How about Bretonnia as well on the fantasy side as well.


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 MrFlutterPie wrote:

 scottmmmm wrote:
I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.

The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!

Since Black Templars are the only faithful chapter out of all the godless non emperor worshipping pagans they will be combined with their sisters in arms in a new book.

It will be called Codex: When Hell Freezes Over.

---------------

Now that I think about it, is GW purposely marginalizing the heavily religious armies? How about Bretonnia l on the fantasy side as well.

Actually, a combined Black Templars/Sisters of Battle army sounds really cool.

Codex: Ecclesiarchy
or
Codex: Crusaders?

All the pseudo religious fanatics and crusaders combined into one book.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 MrFlutterPie wrote:

 scottmmmm wrote:
I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.

The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!

Since Black Templars are the only faithful chapter out of all the godless non emperor worshipping pagans they will be combined with their sisters in arms in a new book.

It will be called Codex: When Hell Freezes Over.

---------------

Now that I think about it, is GW purposely marginalizing the heavily religious armies? How about Bretonnia as well on the fantasy side as well.


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 MrFlutterPie wrote:

 scottmmmm wrote:
I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.

The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!

Since Black Templars are the only faithful chapter out of all the godless non emperor worshipping pagans they will be combined with their sisters in arms in a new book.

It will be called Codex: When Hell Freezes Over.

---------------

Now that I think about it, is GW purposely marginalizing the heavily religious armies? How about Bretonnia l on the fantasy side as well.

Actually, a combined Black Templars/Sisters of Battle army sounds really cool.

Codex: Ecclesiarchy
or
Codex: Crusaders?

All the pseudo religious fanatics and crusaders combined into one book.

Throw in some weird and wacky Ecclesiarchy units and I'd be down for it

 MrFlutterPie wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 MrFlutterPie wrote:

 scottmmmm wrote:
I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.

The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!

Since Black Templars are the only faithful chapter out of all the godless non emperor worshipping pagans they will be combined with their sisters in arms in a new book.

It will be called Codex: When Hell Freezes Over.

---------------

Now that I think about it, is GW purposely marginalizing the heavily religious armies? How about Bretonnia as well on the fantasy side as well.


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 MrFlutterPie wrote:

 scottmmmm wrote:
I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.

The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!

Since Black Templars are the only faithful chapter out of all the godless non emperor worshipping pagans they will be combined with their sisters in arms in a new book.

It will be called Codex: When Hell Freezes Over.

---------------

Now that I think about it, is GW purposely marginalizing the heavily religious armies? How about Bretonnia l on the fantasy side as well.

Actually, a combined Black Templars/Sisters of Battle army sounds really cool.

Codex: Ecclesiarchy
or
Codex: Crusaders?

All the pseudo religious fanatics and crusaders combined into one book.

Throw in some weird and wacky Ecclesiarchy units and I'd be down for it

Please No. It's bad enough they get called FSM as it is.

MrFlutterPie wrote:

 scottmmmm wrote:
I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.

The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!

Since Black Templars are the only faithful chapter out of all the godless non emperor worshipping pagans they will be combined with their sisters in arms in a new book.

It will be called Codex: When Hell Freezes Over.

---------------

Now that I think about it, is GW purposely marginalizing the heavily religious armies? How about Bretonnia on the fantasy side as well

I'd totally be up for that. After listening to the Independant Characters special on the Sisters recently I'd already been thinking they'd make perfect allies for my BT.

insaniak wrote:

 scottmmmm wrote:
I wonder how Black Templars are going to fit into all this. I really hope they get a supplement or something. I felt they should have gotten that during the last update, but the schedule was pretty packed.

!

Really, (and as someone with Space Wolf, Dark Angels and two regular Marine armies) I would still prefer them to just roll all of the variants back into the one codex with a trait system ala 4th edition.

I do agree with you. I was just thinking that a supplement (or whatever they're calling these sub-codices these days) is more likely.

 scottmmmm wrote:

The iron hands one was quite a good read, and I don't even play them!

There's no need to state the second part of that sentence out loud, it's implied by the first part

Lol I got ripped apart for saying BT and SOB together a couple years back.

I'm surprised I'm the first person (I've noticed) to suggest this, but we've seen upgrade sprues for the non-Codex chapters, we're seeing a DA model muddled in with a C:SM release period, and, supposedly a book after.

Supplements anyone?

 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm surprised I'm the first person (I've noticed) to suggest this, but we've seen upgrade sprues for the non-Codex chapters, we're seeing a DA model muddled in with a C:SM release period, and, supposedly a book after.

Supplements anyone?

I'm okay with this.

Supplement/codexes like the skitarii or harlequin one would be fine. Put the majority of the units in c:sm and the divergent units in the supplemental volume.

The Iron Hands Supplement is gone from the GW USA website, but Sentinels of Terra is still on there.


Hmmmmmm

General Hobbs wrote:


The Iron Hands Supplement is gone from the GW USA website, but Sentinels of Terra is still on there.


Hmmmmmm

Hmmmmmm Indeed! It could be that some of the supplements don't make sense anymore -- as in they would conflict with rules in the new Codex?


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 Azreal13 wrote:
I'm surprised I'm the first person (I've noticed) to suggest this, but we've seen upgrade sprues for the non-Codex chapters, we're seeing a DA model muddled in with a C:SM release period, and, supposedly a book after.

Supplements anyone?

Someone else suggested that maybe they were getting rid of the chapter factions, but I think there is zero chance of this.

In my opinion, this was a strategic decision on the part of GW -- to use the SM release to bolster sales of people who like Space Marines, but have chosen a specific faction because they have identified with it (or just like the models better). Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm guessing Codex: SM will have some overlap with Chapters; for instance, formations that say, can be used with by BA/DA/SW. It's a way of getting someone who plays DA, for instance, to buy some models and a book they otherwise wouldn't.