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 pretre wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 pretre wrote:
What about complaining about complaining about complaining?

I wasn't complaining though, I was asking a question in a way that pointed out a hypocrisy. Hashtag semantics are fun

I wasn't saying you were complaining. I was asking a question in a way that pointed out hypocrisy.

Except I displayed no hypocrisy, so your statement cannot be correct.

Oh, there's a Smurf in the cover of the new codex. What a surprise!

 Lammikkovalas wrote:
Oh, there's a Smurf in the cover of the new codex. What a surprise!

You are playing codex: ultramarines and the chapters that follow the ultramarines' book, and complain about there being an ultramarine on the cover?


Some people...

Its a sarge, not a basic Tac.

(Also, BA are Codex compliant too, but don't have a UM on the front)

Bharring wrote:
Its a sarge, not a basic Tac.

(Also, BA are Codex compliant too, but don't have a UM on the front)

They pretend to be codex compliant, while secretly having an ever growing company of lunatics and berserkers.

That, and it's codex: blood angels. That'd be like complaining there's no flesh tearer on the front, or no angel of redemption on the front of codex: dark Angels.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
It'd be nice if Dreads got the MC treatment but I doubt it.

Yeah. I have a baseball team worth of Dreads that I'd like to use again.

The cover is fine. Ultramarines are probably the most popular chapter from the standard Codex: Space Marines. I have no problem with them on the cover.

 kronk wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
It'd be nice if Dreads got the MC treatment but I doubt it.

Yeah. I have a baseball team worth of Dreads that I'd like to use again.

The cover is fine. Ultramarines are probably the most popular chapter from the standard Codex: Space Marines. I have no problem with them on the cover.

if by popular you mean universally loathed?

New Codex cover just looks too....bright.

We've had dark and gloomy for everything...and suddenly this bright and shiny cover that's going to look really out of place with contrast. Especially if it has a black spine like the others. It'd be like being visually assaulted by a zebra.

UltraMarines are the greatest of all the Space Marines.

We March for Macragge!!!!!!

I wish they had gone with a veteran like the Blood Angels cover. The white on blue is less jarring than the red on blue. Still, this cover isn't terrible. Would have liked him to have a Grav Pistol instead of a plain bolt pistol.

The bunch of you have much better sense of esthetics than I do.

I am now concerned why I do not care one iota about the cover and only if some kind of fundamental change will happen with the space marines or will it be same old thing with a few new little add-ons with high enough points cost to not matter.

Just wondering what gets dusted off and what gets thrown into the closet this time.

Or worse, it is so bad I throw the whole lot in there and go play something else.
Notice the scenario of getting "all fired up" by the new codex to be excited about 40k is a rather forlorn hope.

I think I just made it headcannon that the Adeptus Astartes is always produced with a picture of an UM Tac on the cover.

And other legions' decendants complain to this day that the UltraMarine book they claim to follow has an UltraMarine on it!

(That said, the last book didn't feel too UM-centric to me.)

Rereading what the White Dwarf has to say about the Gladius Strike Force, it definitely says you field a Demi-Company (Captain or Chaplain, 1 Command, 3 Tactical, 1 Assault, 1 Devastator, 1 Dreadnought) and then bolt on additional formations from there, such as Terminators, some Vindicators, or a Thunderfire Cannon. I am okay with this, though now I need to get one of those new Assault Squads and another Tactical Squad if I want to field it. Will probably just stick with a CAD unless something awesome comes with using a GSF.


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Oh, and of course the cover is an Ultramarine, what else would it be? Definitely not something to lose sleep over.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Rereading what the White Dwarf has to say about the Gladius Strike Force, it definitely says you field a Demi-Company (Captain or Chaplain, 1 Command, 3 Tactical, 1 Assault, 1 Devastator, 1 Dreadnought) and then bolt on additional formations from there, such as Terminators, some Vindicators, or a Thunderfire Cannon. I am okay with this, though now I need to get one of those new Assault Squads and another Tactical Squad if I want to field it. Will probably just stick with a CAD unless something awesome comes with using a GSF.


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Oh, and of course the cover is an Ultramarine, what else would it be? Definitely not something to lose sleep over.

That’s a chunk of points for a base detachment. Probably to the tune of 1,250 to field it as anything other then just a minimum tax. Under current points, that is; although they seem unlikely to change significantly if the AM are to be a gauge. Although if they go with the toys for free bonus like the BA vet formation, that frees up a lot. It should make for a well balanced TAC list, just not a lot of space left for extras in a 1,500 point list.

 Nevelon wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Rereading what the White Dwarf has to say about the Gladius Strike Force, it definitely says you field a Demi-Company (Captain or Chaplain, 1 Command, 3 Tactical, 1 Assault, 1 Devastator, 1 Dreadnought) and then bolt on additional formations from there, such as Terminators, some Vindicators, or a Thunderfire Cannon. I am okay with this, though now I need to get one of those new Assault Squads and another Tactical Squad if I want to field it. Will probably just stick with a CAD unless something awesome comes with using a GSF.


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Oh, and of course the cover is an Ultramarine, what else would it be? Definitely not something to lose sleep over.

That’s a chunk of points for a base detachment. Probably to the tune of 1,250 to field it as anything other then just a minimum tax. Under current points, that is; although they seem unlikely to change significantly if the AM are to be a gauge. Although if they go with the toys for free bonus like the BA vet formation, that frees up a lot. It should make for a well balanced TAC list, just not a lot of space left for extras in a 1,500 point list.

Yeah, if I run one in my current setup, I am looking at 1350 pts right off the bat, let alone with any toys added in. Hopefully it is a little less strict than it looks.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:

 pretre wrote:
What about complaining about complaining about complaining?

I wasn't complaining though, I was asking a question in a way that pointed out a hypocrisy. Hashtag semantics are fun

I wasn't saying you were complaining. I was asking a question in a way that pointed out hypocrisy.

Except I displayed no hypocrisy, so your statement cannot be correct.

He didn't say you were being hypocricital.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Red Marine wrote:
Melee weapons cost more because i can't shoot my plasma guns in your shooting phase. I can swing a powerfist in your assault phase however.

You also aren't allowed to throw a Power Fist at someone, so yeah...

No, but you can still throw a punch

Aargh, the frustration! Just held the new 'dex in my hand.

 pinkmarine wrote:
Aargh, the frustration! Just held the new 'dex in my hand.

So, what is in it?

I'm guessing its shrink wrapped and he couldn't read it...

Exactly so. Double frustration!

 Nevelon wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Rereading what the White Dwarf has to say about the Gladius Strike Force, it definitely says you field a Demi-Company (Captain or Chaplain, 1 Command, 3 Tactical, 1 Assault, 1 Devastator, 1 Dreadnought) and then bolt on additional formations from there, such as Terminators, some Vindicators, or a Thunderfire Cannon. I am okay with this, though now I need to get one of those new Assault Squads and another Tactical Squad if I want to field it. Will probably just stick with a CAD unless something awesome comes with using a GSF.


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Oh, and of course the cover is an Ultramarine, what else would it be? Definitely not something to lose sleep over.

That’s a chunk of points for a base detachment. Probably to the tune of 1,250 to field it as anything other then just a minimum tax. Under current points, that is; although they seem unlikely to change significantly if the AM are to be a gauge. Although if they go with the toys for free bonus like the BA vet formation, that frees up a lot. It should make for a well balanced TAC list, just not a lot of space left for extras in a 1,500 point list.

I would assume lots of that is optional. Probably the Command Squad and Dreadnaught at the very least.

I wouldn't be surprised if they made Assault and Dev squads mandatory. Gotta move them boxes

Ceann Fine wrote:
I'm interested in seeing the points for a squad of grav cannon devastators will by, the necessity of buying two boxes for the required grav cannons is also a pain

unless you find someone who doesn't want grav in their devs and trade? Since I play DAs, I may grab the kit and just use the MLs and Lascannons.

 pinkmarine wrote:
Aargh, the frustration! Just held the new 'dex in my hand.

How big was it? They were saying quite large.

Looking at the cut edges it seems like about 50:50 between rules and pics. That was about all info I could get.

And according to the FLGS guy there will be new battle boxes for Ultras and Dark Angels and possibly another chapter.


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Size about the same as the old one, possibly slightly thicker.

 pinkmarine wrote:
Exactly so. Double frustration!

Ah. Water, water everywhere, nor any drop to drink

Frustrating indeed!

So, pre-orders tomorrow?

I preordered mine today for pick-up next Sat. But officially the preorders will be tomorrow. But obviously at least some stores have already received the shipments. With a bit more charm than what I can muster, possibly someone can get their hands on one before ...

 pinkmarine wrote:
I preordered mine today for pick-up next Sat. But officially the preorders will be tomorrow. But obviously at least some stores have already received the shipments. With a bit more charm than what I can muster, possibly someone can get their hands on one before ...

Maybe with some buttering up, you can get some nice FLGS owner to crack open the "store copy" for just a bit

Alcibiades wrote:
The "sergeant" counterparts in the Necrons codex (lords) also have two wounds, right? And so do the Skitarii ones.

I think this is going to be GW's policy henceforward and I exoect to see 2W Space Marines sergeanrs.

DE got a new 7th edtion codex. All their sergeants, including the wildy expensive Klavex have only 1 wound.

Requizen wrote:

 Nevelon wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Rereading what the White Dwarf has to say about the Gladius Strike Force, it definitely says you field a Demi-Company (Captain or Chaplain, 1 Command, 3 Tactical, 1 Assault, 1 Devastator, 1 Dreadnought) and then bolt on additional formations from there, such as Terminators, some Vindicators, or a Thunderfire Cannon. I am okay with this, though now I need to get one of those new Assault Squads and another Tactical Squad if I want to field it. Will probably just stick with a CAD unless something awesome comes with using a GSF.


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Oh, and of course the cover is an Ultramarine, what else would it be? Definitely not something to lose sleep over.

That’s a chunk of points for a base detachment. Probably to the tune of 1,250 to field it as anything other then just a minimum tax. Under current points, that is; although they seem unlikely to change significantly if the AM are to be a gauge. Although if they go with the toys for free bonus like the BA vet formation, that frees up a lot. It should make for a well balanced TAC list, just not a lot of space left for extras in a 1,500 point list.

I would assume lots of that is optional. Probably the Command Squad and Dreadnaught at the very least.

I wouldn't be surprised if they made Assault and Dev squads mandatory. Gotta move them boxes

Using the “moving boxes” philosophy, I’d expect the dreads to be mandatory. Would be fluffy as well, as every company has 2-4 of them. I’m hoping the command squad is optional. After all, there is only one in the company, and it might be over with the other half.

I makes more sense to force a dread on all marine formations then it does to have the viper tax on all the eldar hosts (where it only makes sense for the windriders). But as you say, Gotta move them boxes.