MasterSlowPoke wrote:
A full company will probably by

1 Captain
1 Chaplain
1 Command Squad
2 Dreads
6 Tactical Squads
2 Assault Squads
2 Dev Squads

100 marine bodies is 1300 points, so that leaves 550/700 points for the command models and upgrades at 1850/700. Probably not doable at 1850 but you might be able to squeeze something into 2k.

 Auswin wrote:
I hope you all realize the "full company" is likely an apoc-intended formation with every part of the Gladius that will be over 3000 pts like other other huge ones.

Don't get your hopes up thinking you'll get 10 free Razorbacks at 1850 and be disappointed then get angry at GW... just don't do it.

Iuchiban@Warseer wrote:Ok, let's go:
The basic "Decurión" is the Demi battle company:
- 1 Captain or Chaplain
- 0-1 Command squad
- 3 Tactical squads
- 1 Assault squad, Bike squad, Attack bike squad, Land speeder squad or Assault Cents.
- 1 Devastator squad or Dev Cent squad.
- 0-1 Dreadnought of any type.

This formation may use any battle doctrines once per battle

If you take 2 Demi-Companies, you get a full Company. (First company with a Captain and the second with a Chaplain). If done so, any unit that is able to purchase a Rhino, Razorback or Drop Pod, may do so without any additional cost.

Termins are now 175 points (Both types), altough hammer and shied cost +10 points

Devastator, for +5 points, may once per game, reroll to hit. Grav cannons + amp cost 35 points.

Chapter master upgrade is not one per army.

No Land Raider Squadrons, but one Formation (3 Land Raiders of any type). They reroll to wound vs Gargantuan Creatures and to penétrate vs Superhevies. If they are at 6" of any other Raider of the formation, they ignore any result on the damage chart but destroyed.

To get the benefit of the tank squadrons you need 3 of them. You lose the benefit if you lose a tank.

 Desubot wrote:

 Auswin wrote:
I hope you all realize the "full company" is likely an apoc-intended formation with every part of the Gladius that will be over 3000 pts like other other huge ones.

Don't get your hopes up thinking you'll get 10 free Razorbacks at 1850 and be disappointed then get angry at GW... just don't do it.

I hope you realize every game is apoc intended. dontyaknow?

Still full company full of free lasorbacks. mmmmmmmmm

 pretre wrote:
Okay, so minimum full company:

Demi 1
Captain 90
3 Tacs - 210
1 Assault - 70
1 Dev Squad - 70
440

Demi 2
Chaplain 90
3 Tacs - 210
1 Assault - 70
1 Dev Squad - 70
440

880

bump those up to 10 man each and you're at 1580. That gives you 270 in heavy weapons/upgrades and then you get 10 free Razorbacks or drop pods or whatever. Not bad.

Calgar (275) may choose his warlord trait from the codex.
They are:
- Warlord gains Fear. Test is done with 3D6.
- Warlord and his unit get Furious Charge
- Warlord has FnP
- Every shooting phase pick a unit at max 12". Shooting weapons of this unit get the Rending SR
- Any unit in the same Detachment may use Warlord's Ld
- Any unit at 12" reroll Ld tests (Moral, Pinning, Fear)

His army may use one additional doctrine, once per game.

BTW doctrines are cumulative. If you have an Ultramarines detachment, using a DemiCompany and Calgar, you may use the same doctrine 3 times during the battle.

Tigurius (165). Pretty much the same.

Iuchiban at warseer wrote:This is for the Gladius detachment.

Benefits of the Demi-Company are:
- Tactic Doctrine may be used once per game (cumulative with other doctrines)
- They get objetive secured

If done so, any unit that is able to purchase a Rhino, Razorback or Drop Pod, may do so without any additional cost.

 Blacksails wrote:
The real question with the free transports is if the weapon upgrades are free for the razors, or if you get the base razor free, but have to pay for the las/plas.

nekooni wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
The real question with the free transports is if the weapon upgrades are free for the razors, or if you get the base razor free, but have to pay for the las/plas.

I doubt that the upgrades will be free. TLHB/TLHF yes, but anything else? Way too many points for a fully pimped Razorback, 105 pts (all current upgrades and TLLC) bought with a 70pts Tac Squad sounds a bit too good to be true. Even when adding a GravCan+Amp you're at 105pts of TacSquad adding another 105pts of DT.

nekooni wrote:

 Blacksails wrote:
The real question with the free transports is if the weapon upgrades are free for the razors, or if you get the base razor free, but have to pay for the las/plas.

I doubt that the upgrades will be free. TLHB/TLHF yes, but anything else? Way too many points for a fully pimped Razorback, 105 pts (all current upgrades and TLLC) bought with a 70pts Tac Squad sounds a bit too good to be true. Even when adding a GravCan+Amp you're at 105pts of TacSquad adding another 105pts of DT.

 Hulksmash wrote:
1450 gets you the following:

Captain & Chappy
6x5 Tacticals w/Combi-Grav & Grav Cannon
2x5 Assault Marines w/2 Flamers
2x5 Devs w/4 Grav Cannons

All in pods.....

 Hulksmash wrote:
1450 gets you the following:

Captain & Chappy
6x5 Tacticals w/Combi-Grav & Grav Cannon
2x5 Assault Marines w/2 Flamers
2x5 Devs w/4 Grav Cannons

All in pods.....

 Hulksmash wrote:
1450 gets you the following:

Captain & Chappy
6x5 Tacticals w/Combi-Grav & Grav Cannon
2x5 Assault Marines w/2 Flamers
2x5 Devs w/4 Grav Cannons

All in pods.....

 pretre wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
1450 gets you the following:

Captain & Chappy
6x5 Tacticals w/Combi-Grav & Grav Cannon
2x5 Assault Marines w/2 Flamers
2x5 Devs w/4 Grav Cannons

All in pods.....

I could see myself taking Deathwind pods if they were free.

Ok, let's go:
The basic "Decurión" is the Demi battle company:
- 1 Captain or Chaplain
- 0-1 Command squad
- 3 Tactical squads
- 1 Assault squad, Bike squad, Attack bike squad, Land speeder squad or Assault Cents.
- 1 Devastator squad or Dev Cent squad.
- 0-1 Dreadnought of any type.

This formation may use any battle doctrines once per battle

If you take 2 Demi-Companies, you get a full Company. (First company with a Captain and the second with a Chaplain). If done so, any unit that is able to purchase a Rhino, Razorback or Drop Pod, may do so without any additional cost.

Termins are now 175 points (Both types), altough hammer and shied cost +10 points

Devastator, for +5 points, may once per game, reroll to hit. Grav cannons + amp cost 35 points.

Chapter master upgrade is not one per army.

No Land Raider Squadrons, but one Formation (3 Land Raiders of any type). They reroll to wound vs Gargantuan Creatures and to penétrate vs Superhevies. If they are at 6" of any other Raider of the formation, they ignore any result on the damage chart but destroyed.

To get the benefit of the tank squadrons you need 3 of them. You lose the benefit if you lose a tank.

Let's go with the formations:

Demi-Company (See above)

Anti-Air Defence Force
- 1 unit of Hunters
- 1 unit of Stalkers
Benefits:
- If one Hunter hits a flyer with the main weapon, all Stalkers in the unit get +1BS when firing at this flyer.
Restrictions:
- Unit of Stalkers: Mínimum 2


1st Company Task Force
- 3-5 Units from:
Termis
Assault Termis
Sternguard Veterans
Vanguard Veterans
Benefits:
- Fear
- Fearless
- At the beginning of the game, pick an enemy unit. Units in this formation have Preferred Enemy against the picked unit
- Enemy units get -2 to L, if they are a 12" of a mínimum of 3 units of this formation
Restrictions: None

Strilke Force Ultra
- 1 Captain
- 2 Termi squads
- 2 Assault Termi squads
- 1 Venerable Dreadnoght
- 1 Stormraven
- 1 LR Crusader or Redeemer
Benefits:
- All units stay in Reserve. Start rolling on your turn 1.
- After coming from reserves, or disembarking, shooting weapons of the Termi squads get +1 shoot (For Example, Assault Cannon becomes Heavy 5)
- When disembarking from a transport, assault Termi units get +1A.
Restrictions:
Captain must have Terminator Armour
All units must enter via DS, unless embarked in a Transport.

Reclusiam Command Squad
- 1 Chaplain
- 1 Command Squad
Benefits:
- All units at 6" benefit from the Fanatic SR, not only the Chaplain unit
Restrictions:
- Unit must purchase a Razorback. Chaplain may not leave the command squad.


10th Company Task Force
- 3-5 units of:
Scout Squad
Scout Bike
0-1 Telion
Benefits:
- Precisión shots during first turn
- If the unit has not the Stealth SR, they get it until the move, shoot, charge, etc.
Restrictions:
- Scout bikes must purchase the mines.


Storm Wing
- 1 Stormraven
- 2 Stormtalons
Benefits:
- Make only a reserve roll for the whole unit
- Stormraven gets the Strafin Run SR, if at least a Talon is alive.
Restrictions:
None


Centurión Siege Breaker Cohort
- 2-4 Assault Cent squads
- 1 Ironclad
Benefits:
- If they destroy a Transport, unit inside the 2D6 S6 AP4 hits, Ignore cover.
- Reroll to penétrate vs buildings
Restrictions:
None


Land Raider Spearhead
- 3 Raiders of any type.
Benefits:
- See previous posts
Restrictions:
None


Librarius Conclave
3-5 Librarians
Benefits:
- Pick one Librarian, This guy knows all the powers of any Lib of the formation at 12". Those Libs may not cast powers this turn. Picked Lib harness warp charges with 3+ if one Lib is at 12" or less. If 2 Libs at 12" or less, harnessing is with 2+.
Restrictions:
None


Armoure Task Force
- 1 Techmarine
- 0-3 TFC
- 3-5 Units of
Vindicators
Predators
Whirlwinds
- 0-1 Chronus
Benefits:
- Ignore crew shaken and stunned if at 6" of a Techmarine or a Techmarine gunner
- Thechmarine and Techmarine gunner get +1 to Ominissiah rolls (repair vehicles)


Suppression Force
- 1 Whirlwind unit
- 1 Landspeeder unit
Benefits:
- One landspeeder may pick an enemy unit at 12". Whirlwinds reroll to hit vs this unit. If the picked unit is out of range of the whirlwinds, the may fire ignoring it.
Restrictions:
None


Buff, that was a big one ....

 Red Corsair wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
1450 gets you the following:

Captain & Chappy
6x5 Tacticals w/Combi-Grav & Grav Cannon
2x5 Assault Marines w/2 Flamers
2x5 Devs w/4 Grav Cannons

All in pods.....

I could see myself taking Deathwind pods if they were free.

Deathwinds are so underrated it's crazy. Even I turn my nose at them usually until I play this one guy that ends up clogging the middle of the table with 5 by turn 2 every game. 5 s 5 large blasts is a massive PITA especially once you start killing pods leaving your unit in a ring with no consolidation for the next round.


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I wait every update for when drop pods get ceramite plating since they drop from orbit

 ashikenshin wrote:
Iuchiban from warseer:

Ok, let's go:
The basic "Decurión" is the Demi battle company:
- 1 Captain or Chaplain
- 0-1 Command squad
- 3 Tactical squads
- 1 Assault squad, Bike squad, Attack bike squad, Land speeder squad or Assault Cents.
- 1 Devastator squad or Dev Cent squad.
- 0-1 Dreadnought of any type.

This formation may use any battle doctrines once per battle

If you take 2 Demi-Companies, you get a full Company. (First company with a Captain and the second with a Chaplain). If done so, any unit that is able to purchase a Rhino, Razorback or Drop Pod, may do so without any additional cost.

Termins are now 175 points (Both types), altough hammer and shied cost +10 points

Devastator, for +5 points, may once per game, reroll to hit. Grav cannons + amp cost 35 points.

Chapter master upgrade is not one per army.

No Land Raider Squadrons, but one Formation (3 Land Raiders of any type). They reroll to wound vs Gargantuan Creatures and to penétrate vs Superhevies. If they are at 6" of any other Raider of the formation, they ignore any result on the damage chart but destroyed.

To get the benefit of the tank squadrons you need 3 of them. You lose the benefit if you lose a tank.

Let's go with the formations:

Demi-Company (See above)

Anti-Air Defence Force
- 1 unit of Hunters
- 1 unit of Stalkers
Benefits:
- If one Hunter hits a flyer with the main weapon, all Stalkers in the unit get +1BS when firing at this flyer.
Restrictions:
- Unit of Stalkers: Mínimum 2


1st Company Task Force
- 3-5 Units from:
Termis
Assault Termis
Sternguard Veterans
Vanguard Veterans
Benefits:
- Fear
- Fearless
- At the beginning of the game, pick an enemy unit. Units in this formation have Preferred Enemy against the picked unit
- Enemy units get -2 to L, if they are a 12" of a mínimum of 3 units of this formation
Restrictions: None

Strilke Force Ultra
- 1 Captain
- 2 Termi squads
- 2 Assault Termi squads
- 1 Venerable Dreadnoght
- 1 Stormraven
- 1 LR Crusader or Redeemer
Benefits:
- All units stay in Reserve. Start rolling on your turn 1.
- After coming from reserves, or disembarking, shooting weapons of the Termi squads get +1 shoot (For Example, Assault Cannon becomes Heavy 5)
- When disembarking from a transport, assault Termi units get +1A.
Restrictions:
Captain must have Terminator Armour
All units must enter via DS, unless embarked in a Transport.

Reclusiam Command Squad
- 1 Chaplain
- 1 Command Squad
Benefits:
- All units at 6" benefit from the Fanatic SR, not only the Chaplain unit
Restrictions:
- Unit must purchase a Razorback. Chaplain may not leave the command squad.


10th Company Task Force
- 3-5 units of:
Scout Squad
Scout Bike
0-1 Telion
Benefits:
- Precisión shots during first turn
- If the unit has not the Stealth SR, they get it until the move, shoot, charge, etc.
Restrictions:
- Scout bikes must purchase the mines.


Storm Wing
- 1 Stormraven
- 2 Stormtalons
Benefits:
- Make only a reserve roll for the whole unit
- Stormraven gets the Strafin Run SR, if at least a Talon is alive.
Restrictions:
None


Centurión Siege Breaker Cohort
- 2-4 Assault Cent squads
- 1 Ironclad
Benefits:
- If they destroy a Transport, unit inside the 2D6 S6 AP4 hits, Ignore cover.
- Reroll to penétrate vs buildings
Restrictions:
None


Land Raider Spearhead
- 3 Raiders of any type.
Benefits:
- See previous posts
Restrictions:
None


Librarius Conclave
3-5 Librarians
Benefits:
- Pick one Librarian, This guy knows all the powers of any Lib of the formation at 12". Those Libs may not cast powers this turn. Picked Lib harness warp charges with 3+ if one Lib is at 12" or less. If 2 Libs at 12" or less, harnessing is with 2+.
Restrictions:
None


Armoure Task Force
- 1 Techmarine
- 0-3 TFC
- 3-5 Units of
Vindicators
Predators
Whirlwinds
- 0-1 Chronus
Benefits:
- Ignore crew shaken and stunned if at 6" of a Techmarine or a Techmarine gunner
- Thechmarine and Techmarine gunner get +1 to Ominissiah rolls (repair vehicles)


Suppression Force
- 1 Whirlwind unit
- 1 Landspeeder unit
Benefits:
- One landspeeder may pick an enemy unit at 12". Whirlwinds reroll to hit vs this unit. If the picked unit is out of range of the whirlwinds, the may fire ignoring it.
Restrictions:
None


Buff, that was a big one ....

thought there was something better, oh well

CrashGordon94 wrote:

Crimson wrote:People looking for information on the new codex should check out this B&C thread.

So they still can do Bikes as Troops? Well, hopefully this implies that the Dark Angels will keep their X as Troops rules too...

 Leth wrote:
Ohhh, and it says free vehicles, we will have to see if that includes upgrades or not.

I can see getting free las/plas or twin linked assault cannons for free. Add in a free hunter killer(never thought I would take those again lol)

Holy gak!!! Is it just the tacticals that get objective secured or the whole detachment?

Man, now I have to see all the rules on all of these things together, starting to sound like marines got a serious boost.

The versatility of the mandatory detachment is also quite nice. Especially if they don't require full squads. Wording is gonna be key here. Now I am super excited!!

 Exergy wrote:

CrashGordon94 wrote:

Crimson wrote:People looking for information on the new codex should check out this B&C thread.

So they still can do Bikes as Troops? Well, hopefully this implies that the Dark Angels will keep their X as Troops rules too...

They will lose it. Instead they will have a formation that does not require any troops.

All the slot moving is being removed.