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Which foe that the Imperium faced, during the great crusade, posed the most threat?
I'm thinking about this one orkish army that nearly killed Horus till the Emp saved his ass?

But was there ever an opponent During the Great Crusade that required more than just a couple primarchs or the Empy himself?

I might be confused about this, but wasn't it the Emps in trouble til Horus saved him? Also, Ullanor was probably one of the bigger problems.

I don't remember but was the enslaves a big enough threat or the Hurd migration fleets a thing?

Ulanor was the final push to break the orks in humanity's little corner of space. It was was the culminating battle of a long and painful campaign that included horus saving the emperor's and the opposite. There are plenty of other terrifying and painful battles but as for sheer number of units involved in a single campaign, Ulanor hands down.

Poor blood axes still havnt recovered from that beating.

I believe Armageddon was also pretty big. Wasn't the first Armageddon war pre-Heresy?

The first war for Armageddon revolved around the Daemon primarch Angron being banished by the Grey Knights. So, I would say that it is squarely in post heresy territory.

 jreilly89 wrote:
I believe Armageddon was also pretty big. Wasn't the first Armageddon war pre-Heresy?

No, the grey knights were present, so it took place some time after the heresy.

And Ulanor sounds like it to me, a certain battle involving the Emperor and 1000 Custodes comes to mind. They rescued Horus, Rogal Dorn, and Mortairion's Legions from certain defeat. And lost under 5 Custodes in the battle.

The First Armageddon War took place in 444.M41, it's pretty much recent history - it's the source of a rift between the *current* Space Wolf Chapter Master and the Inquisition.

I think the biggest challenge was Garkul Blackfang. An ork warboss who defeated 2 Primarchs in single combat and almost beat the Emperor.

More like he was the best fight Empy had faced, but still, awesome Ork.

On a related note. Where did you find this?

Been the better part of a decade since I found that, so I honestly don't remember.

Its okay. I just wondered if it was of the wonderful spreadsheats that was published by a non-canon writer. I can take it as personal head-canon until something official regurgitates.

The rules are fanmade, but the fluff is canon as I recall.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gharkul_Blackfang

Yup, he is canon.

 Grey Templar wrote:
The rules are fanmade, but the fluff is canon as I recall.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gharkul_Blackfang

Yup, he is canon.

I never doubted that. It was the description I doubted. Must admit I liked the description better than the canon. GW would do well to hire that writer.

Yeah it has to be Ulanor. They needed 3 Legions to defeat Blackfang INCLUDING the allmighty Emprah himself..

I havent found a single reference in any of the Horus Heresey books that might lead to a battle that rivals this one.

Im proud of my greend friends

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
Yeah it has to be Ulanor. They needed 3 Legions to defeat Blackfang INCLUDING the allmighty Emprah himself..

I havent found a single reference in any of the Horus Heresey books that might lead to a battle that rivals this one.

Im proud of my greend friends

it makes sense orks would be the biggest threat of the time really. the eldar where proably still regrouping and none of the other xenos races where even on the scene...

I should point out that the reason Horus had to save the Emperor instead of the big E saving himself. Was because the furhter away from earth the Emp is, the more strainful it is to power the Astronomicon(which in the time of the crusade, he powered, not 100 psykers). Its one of the reasons hes returned to earth and didnt tell his sons why. Cant have them thinking he has limits

 Exalted Pariah wrote:
I should point out that the reason Horus had to save the Emperor instead of the big E saving himself. Was because the furhter away from earth the Emp is, the more strainful it is to power the Astronomicon(which in the time of the crusade, he powered, not 100 psykers). Its one of the reasons hes returned to earth and didnt tell his sons why. Cant have them thinking he has limits

Thats a nice bit of fluff. Do you have an actual source for that?

 Exalted Pariah wrote:
I should point out that the reason Horus had to save the Emperor instead of the big E saving himself. Was because the furhter away from earth the Emp is, the more strainful it is to power the Astronomicon(which in the time of the crusade, he powered, not 100 psykers). Its one of the reasons hes returned to earth and didnt tell his sons why. Cant have them thinking he has limits

No, he returned to Terra to continue with his "Imperial Webway" -project, and to start turning Imperium over to civilian government (Council of Terra), while leaving Horus in charge of finishing the crusade.

Edit. But yeah, Ullanor Crusade was the largest major war before the Heresy broke out.

 Finlandiaperkele wrote:

 Exalted Pariah wrote:
I should point out that the reason Horus had to save the Emperor instead of the big E saving himself. Was because the furhter away from earth the Emp is, the more strainful it is to power the Astronomicon(which in the time of the crusade, he powered, not 100 psykers). Its one of the reasons hes returned to earth and didnt tell his sons why. Cant have them thinking he has limits

No, he returned to Terra to continue with his "Imperial Webway" -project, and to start turning Imperium over to civilian government (Council of Terra), while leaving Horus in charge of finishing the crusade.

Edit. But yeah, Ullanor Crusade was the largest major war before the Heresy broke out.

He said one of the reasons, so it could also be the Astronomicon thing. I'd like to see a source for it.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
Yeah it has to be Ulanor. They needed 3 Legions to defeat Blackfang INCLUDING the allmighty Emprah himself..

I havent found a single reference in any of the Horus Heresey books that might lead to a battle that rivals this one.

Im proud of my greend friends

it makes sense orks would be the biggest threat of the time really. the eldar where proably still regrouping and none of the other xenos races where even on the scene...

Yeah.. the Nids werent even close to reaching the Imperium, Tau werent even born yet or in any case very basic cave man tribes, Chaos was a big big biiiig threat but 99% of the Imperium didnt know of them because of the anti-belief regime the Emperor had installed.
The Eldar were known to the Imperium but they werent at all out war yet i believe,... small skirmishes at best for as far as i know. The Crons were still sleeping for the most part.. only the Praetorians and the silent king were out there... somewhere.

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
Yeah it has to be Ulanor. They needed 3 Legions to defeat Blackfang INCLUDING the allmighty Emprah himself..

I havent found a single reference in any of the Horus Heresey books that might lead to a battle that rivals this one.

Im proud of my greend friends

it makes sense orks would be the biggest threat of the time really. the eldar where proably still regrouping and none of the other xenos races where even on the scene...

Yeah.. the Nids werent even close to reaching the Imperium, Tau werent even born yet or in any case very basic cave man tribes, Chaos was a big big biiiig threat but 99% of the Imperium didnt know of them because of the anti-belief regime the Emperor had installed.
The Eldar were known to the Imperium but they werent at all out war yet i believe,... small skirmishes at best for as far as i know. The Crons were still sleeping for the most part.. only the Praetorians and the silent king were out there... somewhere.

Eldar at that point in history would basicly have been busy regrouping

Ullanor.

 carabine wrote:
Ulanor was the final push to break the orks in humanity's little corner of space. It was was the culminating battle of a long and painful campaign that included horus saving the emperor's and the opposite. There are plenty of other terrifying and painful battles but as for sheer number of units involved in a single campaign, Ulanor hands down.

Poor blood axes still havnt recovered from that beating.

Is that what happened to the Blood Axes, I thought they were hunted down by the other clans

Ullanor was big but if you go slightly outside the HH dates you get this guy.....

The Beast

The Beast was one of the most powerful Ork Warbosses to have ever lived. In 544.M32 he united much of the Ork race and nearly succeeded in conquering the Galaxy.[1b] His Waaagh! was the largest the Galaxy has ever seen and rampaged across the Imperium, eclipsing even the one Horus defeated during the Ullanor Crusade which earned him the title of Warmaster. The Imperium only halted his advance at great cost and desperate measure, devastating the Adeptus Astartes.[1a]

"With His Imperial Webway Project only in its planning stages, the Emperor resorted to powering such a reference point Himself, using the focus chamber He had built earlier beneath the Imperial Palace to project a beam of unimaginable psychic power and range through the Warp. So colossal was the Emperor's psychic might that in the early days of the Great Crusade in the late 30th Millennium He could power the Astronomican while He was off-world leading the Imperial war effort personally. For all His might, however, the Emperor still had limitations, and the task of powering the Astronomican so that its beacon was perceptible over the whole of the territory of the growing Imperium of Man became more and more taxing, weakening Him to the point He was nearly choked to death by a powerful Ork Warlord on the world of Gorro, only to be saved in the nick of time by His Primarch son Horus. The ever-growing demand of the Astronomican upon the Emperor was one of the reasons He handed command of the Great Crusade over to the Warmaster Horus after the victorious Ullanor Crusade against the Orks and returned to Terra to complete His Webway Project, an initiative intended to make the Astronomican all but unnecessary as with an extension into the Webway, the starships of Mankind would be able to cross the galaxy in the blink of an eye without having deal with the deadly dangers of the Warp." - http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Astronomican

 Exalted Pariah wrote:
"With His Imperial Webway Project only in its planning stages, the Emperor resorted to powering such a reference point Himself, using the focus chamber He had built earlier beneath the Imperial Palace to project a beam of unimaginable psychic power and range through the Warp. So colossal was the Emperor's psychic might that in the early days of the Great Crusade in the late 30th Millennium He could power the Astronomican while He was off-world leading the Imperial war effort personally. For all His might, however, the Emperor still had limitations, and the task of powering the Astronomican so that its beacon was perceptible over the whole of the territory of the growing Imperium of Man became more and more taxing, weakening Him to the point He was nearly choked to death by a powerful Ork Warlord on the world of Gorro, only to be saved in the nick of time by His Primarch son Horus. The ever-growing demand of the Astronomican upon the Emperor was one of the reasons He handed command of the Great Crusade over to the Warmaster Horus after the victorious Ullanor Crusade against the Orks and returned to Terra to complete His Webway Project, an initiative intended to make the Astronomican all but unnecessary as with an extension into the Webway, the starships of Mankind would be able to cross the galaxy in the blink of an eye without having deal with the deadly dangers of the Warp." - http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Astronomican

40k wiki...

About 95% of that paragraph is fan written.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
More like he was the best fight Empy had faced, but still, awesome Ork.

best fight Empy had until he faced horus. He didnt walk away from that one if you know what i mean.


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BrianDavion wrote:

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:

 Waaghboss Grobnub wrote:
Yeah it has to be Ulanor. They needed 3 Legions to defeat Blackfang INCLUDING the allmighty Emprah himself..

I havent found a single reference in any of the Horus Heresey books that might lead to a battle that rivals this one.

Im proud of my greend friends

it makes sense orks would be the biggest threat of the time really. the eldar where proably still regrouping and none of the other xenos races where even on the scene...

Yeah.. the Nids werent even close to reaching the Imperium, Tau werent even born yet or in any case very basic cave man tribes, Chaos was a big big biiiig threat but 99% of the Imperium didnt know of them because of the anti-belief regime the Emperor had installed.
The Eldar were known to the Imperium but they werent at all out war yet i believe,... small skirmishes at best for as far as i know. The Crons were still sleeping for the most part.. only the Praetorians and the silent king were out there... somewhere.

Eldar at that point in history would basicly have been busy regrouping

The CWE would at this point be welcoming the IoM and the return of order to the galaxy. Exodities probably wouldnt give a crap but were far off on worlds with no humans and as far as the IoM did would be left alone.

DE probably hated it to this very day

 Orblivion wrote:


40k wiki...

About 95% of that paragraph is fan written.

No its not. If anything, too much of it is near exact copy and paste from official sources these days.

At anyrate, the source is right there on the page for you go to look it up yourself if you want to.

Admittingly, it sadly doesn't say which source gave which block of text, but I'm pretty sure its Imperial Armour: Betrayal, since that source was added to the page the day all that other fluff about the Emperor was. (and, IIRC, others in other threads on this forum confirmed that was stated in Betrayal)

When I think about it, Empy might once have faced down the Void Dragon. That must have been a titanic battle.