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The Striders were massive infantry in the BoW Alpha, but they've been changed to vehicle in this iteration

Just did a quick read on the Warpath mk2, and I got to say, the
Flyer rules seen why better than the flyer rules for 40k

 Pacific wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:
Since they asked for feedback on the tank, here's an idea: replace the turret with an unmanned weapon pod that can be stowed for transport, like the APC in Aliens. I'd also make the hull wider, but I didn't put that in the picture.

That is an awesome idea.

I cross-posted it to Mantic's Forgefather sub-forum. If you'd like to see it happen, giving it a thumbs-up over there would probably help.

Post a link and I'll definitely do that!

Here you go: Link

 DaveC wrote:

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I look forward to seeing what are considered Massive Infantry, since their rules sound similar to vehicles.

I'm guessing stuff like Striders and Iron Ancestors, but I'm hoping for bigger and crazier things.

The only massive infantry listed so far are the plague Aberration, Plague Terraton and the 1st Gen. Striders and Iron Ancestors are vehicles. The Night Terror and Broodmother are likely candidates for massive infantry.

What about the Plague 1st Gen? (Sometimes called the "Plague Lord.")

Didn't he literally mention the 1st gen as massive infantry?

 AlexHolker wrote:
Here you go: Link

Thanks...and done!

I really hope the FF tanks end up as two separate hulls. I know it's more expensive for Mantic, but I can't stand how GW has based so many things off of the Rhino.. I would hate to see Mantic adopt that practice.

Since there's a financial reason to do so, it would be hard to believe a smaller company like Mantic won't do something similar.

 MLaw wrote:
I really hope the FF tanks end up as two separate hulls. I know it's more expensive for Mantic, but I can't stand how GW has based so many things off of the Rhino.. I would hate to see Mantic adopt that practice.

Real armies do the same thing. As long as the vehicles are good, being based on the same chassis is fine.

Same as how the Enforcer flyers are one hull with different belly mounted mission pods, and Plague vehicles are going to be the Corp ones but with an extra sprue of plaguey replacement parts like the Strider, just too expensive to do it any differently.

 Bolognesus wrote:
Didn't he literally mention the 1st gen as massive infantry?

Did I really miss that? Wow.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
I really hope the FF tanks end up as two separate hulls. I know it's more expensive for Mantic, but I can't stand how GW has based so many things off of the Rhino.. I would hate to see Mantic adopt that practice.

Real armies do the same thing. As long as the vehicles are good, being based on the same chassis is fine.

A main battle tank would NEVER be built on the same chassis as an APC.

*disclaimer - I'm probably wrong*

 MLaw wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
I really hope the FF tanks end up as two separate hulls. I know it's more expensive for Mantic, but I can't stand how GW has based so many things off of the Rhino.. I would hate to see Mantic adopt that practice.

Real armies do the same thing. As long as the vehicles are good, being based on the same chassis is fine.

A main battle tank would NEVER be built on the same chassis as an APC.

*disclaimer - I'm probably wrong*

You're wrong. The Israeli Merkava is not just a shared chassis, it's a main battle tank that can carry six infantry or two stretchers and life support (they also have a variant which removes the main armament to function as a dedicated APC, the Namer).

And really, this is even more thematically appropriate for the Forgefathers. The stereotypical dwarf is someone who regards chainmail as everyday wear and doesn't use the words "heavy armour" to describe anything that can't no-sell a cannonball. If anyone's going to use their MBT chassis to build a suitably indestructible APC, it's the space dwarves.

The British Centurion, Conqueror and Chieftain also served as the basis for engineering vehicles, recovery vehicles, artillery (planned), and APCs; the Conqueror in particular was the heavy tank component of the proposed FV200 'Universal Tank' series, while the Centurion chassis has been turned into every kind of military vehicle you could possibly imagine.

They are in a minority though.

Still, it doesn't really matter, because an entirely different hard plastic kit for each vehicle is beyond affordable for anyone in this industry.

 NTRabbit wrote:
The British Centurion, Conqueror and Chieftain also served as the basis for engineering vehicles, recovery vehicles, artillery (planned), and APCs; the Conqueror in particular was the heavy tank component of the proposed FV200 'Universal Tank' series, while the Centurion chassis has been turned into every kind of military vehicle you could possibly imagine.

They are in a minority though.

Still, it doesn't really matter, because an entirely different hard plastic kit for each vehicle is beyond affordable for anyone in this industry.

Aha!
I get to be right for a minute..

GW has a Chimera AND a Leman Russ.. Granted the Chimera is basis for a gazillion things but the Leman Russ MBT is it's own beast with it's own set of variants. (one of GW's few practices that I actually do like).

I never wanted everything to have it's own kit btw, I would prefer APCs and MBTs not be from the same kit.. that's all. If they want a heavy tank and a light tank which serves as a flexible platform.. cool.. I just really don't like the idea of simply popping a turret on a vehicle and calling it a MBT.

I really appreciate that Dreamforge plans on having a STuG kit that's separate from it's APC. Anyway.. I am excited about the art they showed for planned releases. It's LOADS better than the stuff we saw a while back (the wolf jeep thing..eesh). While I might grumble, I will very likely be purchasing some of these kits.

Yeah, these kits look like exactly the kind of thing I would buy ...through a pledge manager after seeing some production prototypes or something.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Yeah, these kits look like exactly the kind of thing I would buy ...through a pledge manager after seeing some production prototypes or something.

lol, yeah.. Mantic.. when they get it right.. wow.. but when they get it wrong.. whoah.. Hopefully, they stick to their word on the next Kickstarter.

 MLaw wrote:

GW has a Chimera AND a Leman Russ.. Granted the Chimera is basis for a gazillion things but the Leman Russ MBT is it's own beast with it's own set of variants. (one of GW's few practices that I actually do like).

Well, that is true for Imperial Guard yes, and Necrons have 4 chassis for 7 tank-equivalents as well.

On the other hand, the Rhino is the base for nearly everything in both the Space Marine and Chaos Space Marine armies, every Eldar tank is a Falcon, and the Tau are all Devilfish

Some nations use different tanks for different task, while others use "one for all".

https://tankandafvnews.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/pandur-2.jpg
http://members.liwest.at/florian_kollmann/ulanbericht-dateien/image018.jpg

 NTRabbit wrote:

 MLaw wrote:

GW has a Chimera AND a Leman Russ.. Granted the Chimera is basis for a gazillion things but the Leman Russ MBT is it's own beast with it's own set of variants. (one of GW's few practices that I actually do like).

Well, that is true for Imperial Guard yes, and Necrons have 4 chassis for 7 tank-equivalents as well.

On the other hand, the Rhino is the base for nearly everything in both the Space Marine and Chaos Space Marine armies, every Eldar tank is a Falcon, and the Tau are all Devilfish

True.. though if you look at Forgeworld there are quite a few more chassis being used by both armies. Even within the GW house SMs have Land Raiders and I would consider Land Speeders to be a light attack vehicle.. granted it hovers but other than that, I would say it's battlefield role is similar to that of a light tank or armoured scout vehicle.

I think the beauty of it is, we can have it both ways. There are enough models out there that are similar enough to the FF aesthetic that I can choose to use different styles while people who are fussed can just roll with the default. win/win


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 kodos wrote:
Some nations use different tanks for different task, while others use "one for all".

https://tankandafvnews.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/pandur-2.jpg
http://members.liwest.at/florian_kollmann/ulanbericht-dateien/image018.jpg

That actually brings up another good point which was already discussed.. the resources and more importantly the mentality of the army/society being discussed. If the resources are in great abundance but population not so much, they may place greater value on ensuring the safety of their troops. Where a society with less resources and an abundance of bodies would be strained to provide decent armor for all transports and would want to ensure that artillery/tanks are durable so that they don't have to be replaced.. hmm..

http://freeweb.t-2.net/blackfang/DBX%20Costs.pdf

So we don't have to muck about with the DBX social networking minigame before every match, I did all the work upfront and made a cost sheet for all the players for all the sponsors. Well, so far still missing the mutants and scrapheap challenge robots, free agents and MVPs, but I am halfway there.

Ah, the color of the price indicates which of the 3 hiring costs the sponsor is paying, so you know if you're getting a good deal or not.

Enjoy.

Thanks, Blackfang. This looks very useful.

Thanks for that!

TBH, I don't know if I'll play much DBX, despite having all the KS stuff. Gave it a go once and the extra setup and team selection was just too complex to be worth it over playing regular dreadball.

Also, the player manual took far too long to come out, should have been there 6 months ago, don't know if anyone is interested in playing it, even though regular DB is massively popular.. most of the excitement has been over the release of the season 4,5 and 6 team rules.

Here's the final one. Didn't seem worthwhile to re-type all the mutant and robot stuff, so I just listed which cost column you need to look at.

http://freeweb.t-2.net/blackfang/DBX%20Costs.pdf

With all of this debate regarding mass battles and firefight I think the simplest way to see what people prefer is to make it visual. Here is a poll I made where you can vote on which version of the game you want to play. Feel free to share your opinion!

https://manticforum.com/forum/warpath/warpath-rules-discussion/231699-poll-mass-battle-vs-firefight-which-do-you-want-to-play

The DZI pledge manager just opened, check your emails

Definitively (in bold) stating that the pledge manager will only be open once, and it closes on July 27



New night terror

The PM is only open today for EB Quarantine backers the others will go out from Monday.

I'm curious about the increased shipping costs the update doesn't give monetary details.

Yay, pledge manager!