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 lord_blackfang wrote:
Oh god, I just noticed that Mantic's pledge manager ate my Warpath pledge. No trace of it anywhere, no confirmation emails although they have managed to charge me through Paypal for extras somehow despite there being no record with them that I ever ordered anything... Am I going to be in that limbo that happened with 200 DS (IIRC) pledges that got randomly dropped from the database, waited for ages and missed out on KS exclusives because Mantic does not order spares?

You should be fine. I had this happen twice with Deadzone and Dungeon Saga's KS. I had my initial email with what was on my pledge but they couldn't find any record of it. I told them what I wanted, provided proof that I paid (in one instance I added some extras and paid through paypal) and they were shipped to me. I haven't had an issue dealing with them to get it sorted. Although I will say response time on emails was awhile. I believe I both sent emails, contacted them on KS, Facebook and emailed through the website (the website is what ended up getting responded about a week later).

Everything is fine after all! Mantic apparently migrated the warpath pledge manager to another server, cheekily named Pledgehammer. All my details are logged there.

For anyone else wanting to check their order:
https://pledgehammer.net/warpath/

Another update with some more details of the delays:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/warpath-the-sci-fi-battle-game/posts/1740168?ref=backer_project_update

In brief, wave 2 will not be Q1 2017 anymore, and will be later.

Here's a list of everything in wave 1 and wave 2:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10049744/dave/warpath-shipping-waves.pdf

So, almost all of the vehicles will ship Q2 2017 or later.

Sounds a lot like they had a massive manufacturing fail on all of them and they need to be redone.

It's a pretty serious delay though, and I don't think people are going to play the game much without vehicles, this is really going to hurt the launch. Warpath can't afford another non-start.

I will probably stick with Firefight until the vehicles come out and try to build interest in the game from there, since mass battle with no vehicles isn't going to work.

Sounds like a manufacturing fail may well be the case. I am hoping that someone can shed some light on the particular issue(s) as I take an interest in the manufacturing process. The delay is annoying for backers but ultimately it is a good thing if it results in a superior product.

The fulfillment of Walking Dead AOW, with the exception of the odd miscast and mispack, seems to have been largely great so hopefully that continues for Warpath backers. I just hope that systems are in place to cope with the larger and more complex pledges.

I expect a vast majority of Warpath backers have some old Rhinos at home.

It should be noted that both HIPS and PVC vehicles were pushed back, which makes it unlikely to be a factory-side issue.

 Daedleh wrote:

 Sarouan wrote:
Hmmm...Wonder what this dispute is around...Maybe about money...

Not sure if a RC is the perfect answer, here. Sure, they did some nice work for KoW, but they also come with not really wise moves, like the change for Monstrous Infantery/Cavalry units sizes. It looked like small detail, but it has quite a range of changes for others rules and in the end, it gets abused by optimized players.

What change?

The only change I recall was removing single models which was driven by Mantic/Alessio, not the RC. We agreed with the decision but it wasn't our design decision and it had been implemented all the way back to the first expansion book for KoW. I'm also interested in knowing how it is abused.

I think this is one of those things where OP has a rule wrong, because I have never seen any complaint about MI/MC unit sizes.

So, it's sounding more and more like I'll be playing Warpath in 15mm and Firefight in 28mm. Have we got any updates on the Firefight rules? I'm curious about how big the forces are expected to be.

 Barzam wrote:
So, it's sounding more and more like I'll be playing Warpath in 15mm and Firefight in 28mm. Have we got any updates on the Firefight rules? I'm curious about how big the forces are expected to be.

The proof copy of the Firefight rules went up a little while ago, still needed proofing obviously, and was missing some art, but the rules were final as far as I was aware.

Deadzone GCPS beta rules are now available

https://manticblog.com/2016/11/22/deadzone-gcps-marines-beta-list/

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10049744/dave/GCPS%20Army%20List%20(Deadzone%202%20Public%20Beta)-3.pdf

Quick thoughts

Find it a bit weird that the Corp Rangers & veterans are better than enforcers in close combat!!

And are also no better at shooting than standard corp marines.

Start of the open day pictures from Mantic's Facebook page

Star Saga

Those are looking great so far, really like how the GPCS troopers are a bit different and look more like private security contractors than military.

I'm glad they're not simply copy+paste from the GCPS sprues.

With how I'm designing the Mars Attacks human list, I'm intending it to also be useful to represent police forces, private security and civilian militia stuck in a deadzone, or lower-tech human worlds isolated or abandoned by the GCPS, so I can see an alternate deadzone use for the Star Saga grunts there.

OMG Mantic finally got human proportions right??? Guess it's good I forgot to pull my pledge on this one..

Those are turning out really well.

Those aren't the GCPS troops in those pics. Those are the security guards. The renders they showed of the GCPS figures looked to just be single piece versions of the HIPS figures.

Warpath pdf links in the mail just now.

Is it just me or did the excitement surrounding Mantic stuff simmer down this year without the constant influx of kickstarters either completing or starting? The activity in this thread has been quite low compared with previous years.

I started reading through the sourcebook.

I like having all that fluff in one place. Quite a bit of it too.

Looking forward to having my psychical copies hopefully in the near future.

If I read things correctly, the GCPS plastics are going to be part of wave 1, correct? Wave 2 is mostly the plastic vehicle kits, right?

I think things will pick up here when people start to see the new plastics. I know that's what I'm waiting for!

I went and finished building my leftovers from the first DZ campaign in preparation for the Warzone arrival.

I also pulled out my untouched DZ plastics, and I was surprised by how much I enjoyed assembling the Veermyn. Now I am really looking forward to the new plastics, especially the Asterian robots.

Does anyone know if the Warpath novel or the DS adventure game book will see US distribution? I want to buy them, but with KDM1.5 and a certain holiday season, it's just not happening any time soon unless the shipping is 'prime'.

Just got my pledge today....the Warpath novel has a bar code and ISBN, so I am guessing it will be available retail.

 warboss wrote:
Is it just me or did the excitement surrounding Mantic stuff simmer down this year without the constant influx of kickstarters either completing or starting? The activity in this thread has been quite low compared with previous years.

I think a lot of us that were hoping Mantic was going to be the new big dog in SF wargames finally got over the honeymoon effect. Their decisions on the direction of the game(s) both in the multibase thing, the major benching of Marauders, and all the little SNAFUs with .. many.. aspects of fulfillment, delivery, quality control, communication, etc.. some of us (assuming I'm not alone) are hesitant to trust them and are just keeping an eye out for interesting developments.

I have yet to assemble my plastics... that's in part to what I mentioned but also just lack of time and possibility of moves for the military. What we've seen from these last bits of previews and releases plus them bringing Matt Gilbert in, does inspire hope though so I have avoided e-baying my stuff at least

Plus GW has taken a big step back into a bunch of folks hearts with all a fair few of their recent releases

GS cults
30K box games
The various flavours of CMS (with actual differences once again)

(plus all the other stuff like silver tower etc)

there's a lot less need for a new saviour when the old one stops drinking and starts showing up for work again

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:


there's a lot less need for a new saviour when the old one stops drinking and starts showing up for work again

Exalted

I do have a soft spot in my heart for some of the warpath stuff (I really enjoy deadzone) and seeing the quality of the infestation PVC and plastics plus the walking dead minis makes me hopeful for mantics future endevors.

Will try out firefight (not interested in big warpath) and see if that fills the platoon sized game I want.

I'm also going to try 1000 point games of Firefight and take it from there.

Firefight has thankfully been re-written to be basically identical to Warpath, only with the multibasing removed.

So, it keeps the other really great things about Warpath, like orders, objectives, suppression, fast gameplay loosely based on Deadzone, excellent terrain rules adapted from KoW etc, but has enough of a familiar feel to 40k to make playing it quite familiar.

JoeRugby wrote:Will try out firefight (not interested in big warpath) and see if that fills the platoon sized game I want.

scarletsquig wrote:I'm also going to try 1000 point games of Firefight and take it from there.

Firefight has thankfully been re-written to be basically identical to Warpath, only with the multibasing removed.

So, it keeps the other really great things about Warpath, like orders, objectives, suppression, fast gameplay loosely based on Deadzone, excellent terrain rules adapted from KoW etc, but has enough of a familiar feel to 40k to make playing it quite familiar.

Same here. I was always only interested in Firefight, and I like what I've seen so far in a skim through of the PDF. If I ever get the urge to do mass scifi combat again, I'll be doing it in a scale smaller than 28mm.

OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:Plus GW has taken a big step back into a bunch of folks hearts with all a fair few of their recent releases
....
there's a lot less need for a new saviour when the old one stops drinking and starts showing up for work again

MLaw wrote:I think a lot of us that were hoping Mantic was going to be the new big dog in SF wargames finally got over the honeymoon effect. Their decisions on the direction of the game(s) both in the multibase thing, the major benching of Marauders, and all the little SNAFUs with .. many.. aspects of fulfillment, delivery, quality control, communication, etc.. some of us (assuming I'm not alone) are hesitant to trust them and are just keeping an eye out for interesting developments.

Both very good points. I'd probably add some kickstarter fatigue to the mix (with the obvious recent exception being Kingdom Death) during a point where Mantic seemed dependent on KS for new game development.

Marauders aren't benched, they have a full army list of their own.

The earlier (and very unpopular) decision to not have them as an army was reversed.

Also, Firefight has turned out excellently, it's a shame Firefight wasn't called Warpath, and Warpath called Warpath: Apocalypse or whatever. As it stands, Firefight is more likely to be the primary game.

The rulesets are pretty much identical, but Firefight is incredibly easy for anyone who has played 40k before to figure out with half an hour of rulebook reading or a single demo game.

It is basically a better version of 40k, updated with modern mechanics and not bogged down in special rules bloat.

Okay, I'll read Firefight when it gets here, don't twist my arm

Had a read through both and there are no glaring issues I noticed.

Have to admit the multi basing version looks nicer than I thought. The list building mechanics remind me of those used in Epic when you had the cards.
Will try both versions once my Corp stuff arrives.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Marauders aren't benched, they have a full army list of their own.

The earlier (and very unpopular) decision to not have them as an army was reversed.

Also, Firefight has turned out excellently, it's a shame Firefight wasn't called Warpath, and Warpath called Warpath: Apocalypse or whatever. As it stands, Firefight is more likely to be the primary game.

The rulesets are pretty much identical, but Firefight is incredibly easy for anyone who has played 40k before to figure out with half an hour of rulebook reading or a single demo game.

It is basically a better version of 40k, updated with modern mechanics and not bogged down in special rules bloat.

To say Marauders weren't benched despite them not getting any multipart kits or any real attention in these last several projects is a bit of a stretch. It's a bit like if GW were to come out and be like "okay okay, here's some Squat rules".
It's cool that the list exists, don't get me wrong.. I have loads of 40k Orks, but I have to call this spade a spade.

Firefight was one of the key points in a kickstarter and the rules weren't out.. then they finally released them and it was a hot mess. Okay, they have a new version.. is it a beta, is it finalized? This stuff should be headlines for this thread but I've not seen any of this up here or seen it mentioned in any KS updates or Mantic Mailing lists. All I see from them is ads to buy more of their stuff.

I am glad it's a light set of rules though, just realize as soon as you claim it's better than this or that, you've put yourself (or the rules rather) in a bad spot. Having to compare it to this or that and "oh well it's better than XXXX" as the main selling point is not strong presentation. I am interested when you say modern mechanics though.. What are the modern mechanics?

I'm not trying to say you're wrong (on the Marauder thing, yeah.. I think you are) but when people are having trust issues or perceptions based on very visual decisions from the past of a company, coming at those people with a hard sell and a harsh tone isn't going to win any of us back over (well.. Blackfang but that's a different story I think). I would love to see them move in directions I support and if you want to present that in a way meant to entice I'm all ears.. but shouting down talking points isn't going to win the game/company any goodwill.