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Made in au
Screaming Shining Spear





Adelaide, Australia

Or it's possible they just want you all to buy from discounters or your FLGS, rather than direct from them. Making the prices in their own store too competitive has upset retailers in the past, if you recall.

   
Made in ie
Fixture of Dakka






I've just noticed that the defender team has metal parts now, it looks like they've done away with the restic parts entirely with these new releases which is a good thing (but not for the wallet!)

http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/new/warpath/product/defender-team.html
   
Made in au
Screaming Shining Spear





Adelaide, Australia

I'd have preferred they stuck with restic, I can't stand metal

   
Made in us
Gun Mage





Yeah, I'm not super impressed by the pricing. The ratio to the prices of GW equivalents is nowhere near as good for these as it is when you compare say, Enforcer infantry to Space Marine infantry.

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Made in at
Not as Good as a Minion





Austria

I guess pricing is more in needs on Warpath/Firefight and not as cheap 40k alternative (and you need that many tanks in WP/FF)
While the Rhino is cheaper than the Drakkar APC (22,5 to 25) the Sturnhammer is cheaper than the Predator (30 to 35)

and of course a ratio like Enforcer to Space Marines would be nice (13,5 to 25) I am happy anyway to have an SciFi hard plastic alternative to the GW Rhinos for conversions.



Harry, bring this ring to Narnia or the Sith will take the Enterprise 
   
Made in de
Longtime Dakkanaut





I think the pricing is okay for tabletop vehicle kits. The 3-vehicle sets are quite cheap - even before discounts. The FF reserve force costs ~55 EUR from Wayland and comes with a plastic tank, a restic walker and a 6-model plastic (+ optional metal bits) elite and a 10-model restic trooper kit. I think that is a good price and a fine starter force.

The FF tanks are growing on me, especially with a dozer blade. Good to see that after a slow start more and more models are getting available for each faction.

With Forgefathers, the Plague and the Corporation they have me hooked on three WP armies which I plan to expand further with new models.


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Made in ie
Fixture of Dakka






Deadzone Errata and FAQ - http://www.manticgames.com/SiteData/Root/File/FREE%20RULES/Deadzone%20Errata%20V2.1%202nd%20pass.pdf
(links also in first post)

Most of the FAQ concerns itself with clarifying ambiguities in the way abilities interact or adapting the rules to prevent loopholes that weren’t spelt out in the rulebook but were in the spirit of the game to not happen. Whenever a game gets popular and people are playing competitively there will be some who try to gain an advantage through generous interpretation when there is ambiguity in rules writing. That’s to be expected and actually is generally a good thing as it leads to a tightening up of the rules over time.

The errata was our chance to really look back on all the factions and see how they are being played in the current meta, including issues noticed by the rules committee and feedback to us from the community. We were especially interested in making all models that people owned playable, not necessarily better, but just more playable. So there have been some point changes, ability changes, VP increases and reductions etc. In fact with the exception of the Veer-Myn who are back in public beta for their v2.0 and the GCPS who are being released soon, every faction has something that has been changed to improve balance.

Finally thanks to everyone who sent us comments about things we should look at changing or clarifying. They may not have made it into here but do believe us when we say we did consider them all. We will aim to collate questions as they come up to be considered for the next FAQ, whenever that is!

FAQ

So after the leak of the FAQ v2.0 without the errata [Ed – sorry about that, I got a little carried away] we had a chance to get some more community feedback and change a few minor things but this is pretty much the same as the FAQ v2.0 you may have seen on the Facebook Deadzone Fanatics Group. However, it is very nicely laid out now with all the FAQ v1.0 bits added too. Here are some of the main changes:

LoS – There had been some debate on whether LoS should be changed but we came down on the cleanest and simplest way which is that you can draw LoS from any part of your model or base. This is actually the same as in the rulebook but I think it’s helpful to nail it down now. We looked at other options but they were actually less workable than the original.

Smoke – We spent a fair bit of clarifying how smoke works to ensure that it is as clear as can be. This ended up being pretty wordy but it’s a piece of the game that can be very important and really can affect gameplay so we thought it was worth trying to get it right.

Hatches – These are a new things and really make getting around terrain much simpler. They will involve a small amount of extra layout before a game or an agreement between players but will help a lot.

Cube sizes for bridges – these have been clarified so that size 1 or 2 models only can stand on them. So you may need to bring that balanced force to ensure that smaller models don’t just get out of the reach of your Aberration! Now large models can move along narrow walkways but can’t stop on them, I picture them tiptoeing along a rickety bridge whispering ‘please don’t fall, please don’t fall’ all the way!

Deployment – ‘Coaches rule’ is now official and is the advised option for deployment when your strike team doesn’t fit into the designated deployment zone. Although the other options remain.

Errata

We spent a long time looking at all the things we could do to factions but needed to keep things balanced, which meant some of the fun ideas had to be dropped. Here are the main points for abilities and factions.

Teleport – is now a long action. We were hearing about a lot of Teraton spam with 3 fights possible in a turn, which was never intended. To counter the change to a long action, the Teleport is now 3 cubes rather than 2 so the total movement possible in a round is the same. Be extra aware of pinning now though as it means your Teraton will not be able to teleport at all that round as it will need to stand up first!

Weapons Teams – these are a straight lift from the GCPS list where they worked so well. We wanted to use the same method to bring into play some of the heavy weapons rarely seen. The key thing here is that the loader and firer count as a single model of size 3. This makes them cheaper, more resilient and they lose the Slow Reload, which was such a pain! However, if they are wounded they get the slow reload back, which means that medics are also now more useful to take to keep your heavy weapons firing. To my mind though the best thing is that now you create mini dioramas with your models on 60mm bases which will look amazing. These weapons teams mean that the loader stat line in the Plague and Rebs list is removed and replaced with a whole new stat line in the Specialist option. Wait, I hear you cry, now I don’t get my troop tax paid from the loader. Ah but you do as the Team is the same cost as the specialist you would have had to buy anyway (but better) and now you get points free to pay for another troop choice to unlock them, which for the Plague and Rebs can be very cheap.

Here you can see Andrew’s take on the mini diorama’s for his Weapons Teams.
Striders – all Striders/IA/Stuntbot etc. no longer have the Vehicle ability (though they are still Vehicles for strike team building) and instead have Construct, Beast and Solid. So no pinning, no healing/toxic effect and no using items BUT they can now move up terrain to gain height. This will be a real advantage for them and I expect to see lots of King Kong style pictures of you scaling tall buildings with them.

New Weapons – the Plague and Rebs get a couple of new support weapons with Flame Throwers and Grenade Launchers. These are to fit with the new weapons on the Plague 3A and GCPS sprues but should open up some interesting build options.

Jetbike and Sky Razor – these can now fly! There has been a big call for this and it will be great to see them soaring over the battlefield.

Enforcers – some small changes to points and weapons here. Main thing is the Assault Enforcer now gets Frenzy (1) which is a bit more in line with the Version One Brawler ability. Still not a super fighter but a very versatile model nonetheless.

Forge Fathers – some major points changes here with Steel Warriors and Brokkrs coming down in price and the Brokkrs gaining a Hammer to really give them a close combat option. The Forge Guard gain Solid to reflect their plodding approach to the battle field but remain speed 1-1. The Chief Brokkr gets a few buffs as well. Even the Iron Ancestors get a little love with the standard one increasing in speed and the Thor pattern coming down in cost and gaining Frenzy (2).

Marauders – some more changes here mostly to increase the VPs for models. This faction was one of the cheapest for VPs. The Ripper Suits and Hulk also go up in cost to reflect their in-game strength and to reward killing them more. The Stuntbot gets a little cheaper in VPs and gains Frenzy (1) so maybe he’ll see more gameplay too.

Rebs – some big changes here as well, with the Missile launcher becoming a weapons team, new weapons, points reductions to the Judwan medic and the Rebel Sorak drops to a troop choice, opening up lots of Blast options. Most excitingly there are two new models you can take now; the Sorak Swordspawn gets his own profile as a specialist, not the strongest but with Frenzy (2) he should be fun and the Teraton Shock Trooper added from the Mercs list so he can now be taken as a Specialist option in the Rebs faction.

Final Thoughts

We hope that this FAQ answers most of the queries and makes the game more playable and accessible to competitive and casual gamers alike.

The Faction Errata might seem large but actually should just make some models more balanced, we certainly don’t feel we have created any super powerful models or nerfed any too much either for that matter. We are also really keen to get people playing with models that might have been collecting dust by giving them more useful stats lines. Time will tell though and do keep giving us the feedback we need to make this game the best sci-fi miniatures game played on a 3×3 cube system (quote from a DZ fanatics post)!

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Made in us
Gun Mage





Are the sets of three vehicles a Mantic store exclusive or are those bundles also hitting retail? Because those at online discounter prices work out at a more reasonable price per vehicle.
   
Made in ie
Fixture of Dakka






 TheWaspinator wrote:
Are the sets of three vehicles a Mantic store exclusive or are those bundles also hitting retail? Because those at online discounter prices work out at a more reasonable price per vehicle.


??? but the triple pack of Jotunns are available from other online stores (although singles aren't available anywhere anymore) probably have to wait until August 4th to see if they turn up elsewhere.
   
Made in ca
Fixture of Dakka





West Michigan, deep in Whitebread, USA

I really like their new neoprene gaming mat, but not at 75 dollars plus like what, 30 dollars to ship it to the US? Yeaaaahhhh, no.



"By this point I'm convinced 100% that every single race in the 40k universe have somehow tapped into the ork ability to just have their tech work because they think it should."  
   
Made in us
Swamp Troll




San Diego

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I really like their new neoprene gaming mat, but not at 75 dollars plus like what, 30 dollars to ship it to the US? Yeaaaahhhh, no.


That was my reaction at first.. Then I realized, if I add on.. just about anything, it goes over $85 and ships free.. The base cost is about right as much as I hate to admit it.. You might get them cheaper but shipping is where it will work out.
EDIT: Hmm.. maybe it doesn't qualify for free shpping.. there's info in the shipping tab that states:
As this product is particularly large and heavy, we are unable to send it through normal post. Therefore, it will be sent by Courier for the following rates:

UK £7.00 €9.00 $9.00
Europe £12.00 €15.00 $15.00
Rest of World £30.00 €38.00 $38.00

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Made in us
Legendary Master of the Chapter





SoCal

The latest email mentions a book sale or something, which kind of sucks for me since I just bought their books at full POD(?) price plus some punitive shipping. Oh well.

Speaking of which, I'm reading First Strike now and it really makes me want to buy an Enforcer Accuser. If only I could find one for a good price...

   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut





UK

A post on facebook in one of the manitc groups i'm part of from a John Austin shows the first sight I've had of one of the finished Vermyn Tunnel Runners





and also suggest some more KS shipping is happening

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Made in gb
[DCM]
Stonecold Gimster






I also received my 3 tunnel runners yesterday - out of the blue. Strangely, the packing note had a load of bases listed but none in the box. Not sure if these are meant to be based.

Lovely resin models though.

Currently most played: Silent Death, Mars Code Aurora, Battletech, Warcrow and Infinity. 
   
Made in ie
Fixture of Dakka






 Gimgamgoo wrote:
I also received my 3 tunnel runners yesterday - out of the blue. Strangely, the packing note had a load of bases listed but none in the box. Not sure if these are meant to be based.

Lovely resin models though.


As Massive Infantry they go on a 60mm base, Mantic still use mdf bases for 60mm so it looks like they forgot to pack them. Tunnel runners should be the new board game plastic not resin they swapped the material some time ago.
   
Made in sg
Longtime Dakkanaut




Whatever material they're using for some of the vermyn, it's pretty good. Had no flash on my brood mother and the other large vermyn with the gun on its back.

My warmachine batrep & other misc stuff blog
http://sining83.blogspot.com/ 
   
Made in gb
[DCM]
Stonecold Gimster






 DaveC wrote:
 Gimgamgoo wrote:
I also received my 3 tunnel runners yesterday - out of the blue. Strangely, the packing note had a load of bases listed but none in the box. Not sure if these are meant to be based.

Lovely resin models though.


As Massive Infantry they go on a 60mm base, Mantic still use mdf bases for 60mm so it looks like they forgot to pack them. Tunnel runners should be the new board game plastic not resin they swapped the material some time ago.


Ah, maybe it is the new plastic. I scraped a few mould lines and they seemed to come off ok, so I figured it was resin.
Either way they're great looking models.

Currently most played: Silent Death, Mars Code Aurora, Battletech, Warcrow and Infinity. 
   
Made in in
[MOD]
Otiose in a Niche






Hyderabad, India

 TheWaspinator wrote:
Yeah, I'm not super impressed by the pricing. The ratio to the prices of GW equivalents is nowhere near as good for these as it is when you compare say, Enforcer infantry to Space Marine infantry.


Just wait till the next GW price adjustment

 
   
Made in gb
Decrepit Dakkanaut





UK

from facebook

Mantic Games

25 mins ·
..
We've got a very limited amount of our 6ft x 4ft neoprene battle mats available. Once they're gone, they're gone - so you better be quick if you fancy snapping one up!


http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/warpath/product/mantic-large-deluxe-gaming-mat.html

(41 in stock at time of posting)

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Made in ie
Fixture of Dakka






Gen Con deal

For Warpath and Deadzone our booth special is buy a formation of 3 vehicle for $100. This is a $20 saving while building up your vehicular assault. Forge Father tanks and Enforcer Intercepters will be on hand! All kits come with all the parts to assemble all variants of each vehicle. Don’t miss out on a fabulous kit.


The $20 saving is on individual prices it's only $10 on the current bundle deal.

These might be online as well some Gen Con deals have been in the past

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[DCM]
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 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
from facebook

Mantic Games

25 mins ·
..
We've got a very limited amount of our 6ft x 4ft neoprene battle mats available. Once they're gone, they're gone - so you better be quick if you fancy snapping one up!


http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/warpath/product/mantic-large-deluxe-gaming-mat.html

(41 in stock at time of posting)


40 still in stock.

£49.99 that Mantic somehow thinks turns into $79.99 USD?

I mean, I'm all for patriotism, but the pound hasn't been that strong against the dollar in some time...
   
Made in us
Fixture of Dakka






 Alpharius wrote:
 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
from facebook

Mantic Games

25 mins ·
..
We've got a very limited amount of our 6ft x 4ft neoprene battle mats available. Once they're gone, they're gone - so you better be quick if you fancy snapping one up!


http://www.manticgames.com/mantic-shop/warpath/product/mantic-large-deluxe-gaming-mat.html

(41 in stock at time of posting)


40 still in stock.

£49.99 that Mantic somehow thinks turns into $79.99 USD?

I mean, I'm all for patriotism, but the pound hasn't been that strong against the dollar in some time...


That's why I have always paid in GBP when buying direct from Mantic.

"The Omnissiah is my Moderati" 
   
Made in us
[DCM]
.







Interesting!

That makes the shipping show up as £30, for a total of £80 (about $104) vs. if you say you want in in USD, Mantic prices it at $80 and then charges you $38 to ship it for a total of $118.

So this probably works out a lot better on items that they don't put a premium shipping price on - good to know, and info saved for potential future use!
   
Made in us
Rogue Daemonhunter fueled by Chaos






Toledo, OH

I'm also guessing that Mantic is keeping the US retail price high because they're allowing online retailers to discount pretty deeply.
   
Made in us
Legendary Master of the Chapter





SoCal

 Polonius wrote:
I'm also guessing that Mantic is keeping the US retail price high because they're allowing online retailers to discount pretty deeply.


Serious question: what US online retailers still stock Mantic products?

   
Made in us
Swamp Troll




San Diego

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
 Polonius wrote:
I'm also guessing that Mantic is keeping the US retail price high because they're allowing online retailers to discount pretty deeply.


Serious question: what US online retailers still stock Mantic products?


This is a very legitimate question.. So far the Mantic webstore is the only US source I'm aware of that has their full range in stock... and frankly.. half their range..

   
Made in us
Using Inks and Washes





San Francisco, CA

Noble Knight in the past has had reasonable Mantic stock. Try them?

I play...

Sigh.

Who am I kidding? I only paint these days... 
   
Made in us
Major




In a van down by the river

frpgames.com and thewarstore.com also seem to have sections for Mantic; wouldn't call it the "full range" from my cursory glance though.
   
Made in ie
Fixture of Dakka






Thorgarim Team - I like how these turned out just waiting to see the Enforcer Command Squad before placing an order

   
Made in au
Longtime Dakkanaut





Melbourne, Australia

I like them, but to be honest I REALLY liked the originals.

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