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Without a solid points drop RW will still be susceptible to getting tabled by cover ignoring low ap firepower that makes them near unplayable right now. So cool combo but on its own wouldn't amount to much in making RW a good army.

Or at least 2+ cover saves have never saved me from no cover pie plates from tau and heldrakes gutting my army.

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Wait, Ravenwing gives you re-rolls to jink saves?

With the shrouded Telepathy power your entire army has a re-rollable 2+ jink save?

Yes yes you do. Darkshroud was decent now much better. Im hoping that reroll jink applies to all ravenwing not just the bikes

Interromancy is a pretty interesting mix of crap and amazing:

1. Seed of Fear: 3d6 morale/fear/pinning in a 9" radius? Renegades and Heretics as well as IG are so boned
2. Righteous Repugnance: What's that again? My Black Knights have eight attacks each. 2 Base + 1 CCW + 2 Rage + 1 Chapter Banner + 1 Ezekiel + HOW.
3. Aversion: Warp Charge 1, 24" Range. Your Vindicator Formation just lost the ability to fire everything but their storm bolters.
4. Maelstrom of Misery: A bit crap.
5. Trephination: Like a bad Psychic Shriek.
6. Mind Wipe: The latest in anti-deathstar technology. WC 3 is harsh compared to it though.

Aversion is the best skill in the discipline, followed by Mind Wipe. Seed and Repugnance are good, Treph and Maelstrom awful.

LOL, oh my god, Monster Slayer of Caliban is the same.

And the same outrageous points cost.

Why did they not change the horrible relics in this book?

Honestly, C:SM gets a S7 AP2 sword and it's not even two handed.

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
Interromancy is a pretty interesting mix of crap and amazing:

1. Seed of Fear: 3d6 morale/fear/pinning in a 9" radius? Renegades and Heretics as well as IG are so boned

This guy disagrees:

 BrotherGecko wrote:
Without a solid points drop RW will still be susceptible to getting tabled by cover ignoring low ap firepower that makes them near unplayable right now. So cool combo but on its own wouldn't amount to much in making RW a good army.

Or at least 2+ cover saves have never saved me from no cover pie plates from tau and heldrakes gutting my army.

You've got to be kidding, right.

2+ cover saves, maybe;
2+ rerollable cover saves? Your enemy had better PRAY he rolls that Perfect Timing or it's going to be wipe after wipe.

Unlike Fortune a conveniently placed Culexus doesn't negate this ability.

Some armies don't even have access to Ignores Cover tech (Orks, Necrons).

When's the last time you even saw a Helldrake on a table? After their nerf simple placement from a 2+ save model completely nullifies their threat.

Tau... their Ignores Cover mostly comes from a single model who can only join either battlesuits or Broadsides, or fragile Markerlights, both of which can be easily neutralised by a skyhammer drop, or some Interromancy (of which against they have no defence.)

Ravenwing got some insane buffs.

I play assault Ravenwing, for the most part; my last 1850 list was mostly 20 Black Knights and a Darkshroud. Now it's going to be Black Knight deathstar with Conclave support.


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Welp, forgot about the ol' ministorum.

I don't see him being distributed efficiently outside of Conscript blobs though. I don't see much IG these days anyway, RW has traditionally been good against them.

True that.. I almost instant forfeit if I roll anything other than Hammer and Anvil on deployment zones!

I downloaded the IBook preview but got none of this information.

Is this unique to the American version or something?

So, is buying an assault squad and a craptain worth BS4 overwatch

Leaning to no

Amusing things I'm reading elsewhere

Some guy on TG wrote:Here, read it and weep it. I'm checking the leaks and while some of the things are nice most of things related to my Deathwing army piss me off.

I need a moment to fething calm down.

A guy on TG wrote:Someone explain to me why Stubborn is good when SM already have ATSNKF?
Why is stubborn good at all?

Some guy on Bolter and Chainsword wrote:*Spits coffee*

wait you guys pay 8 mb for a power sword thats not guarenteed to actually give benefits. I'm....I'm so sorry. I'm surprised it doesnt give monster hunter to the bearer at all. Thats a shame. Though you guys probalby wont need it since most units will be dead before they reach you anyways

lel

Going to play a CAD, screw it

Wow..Full BS Overwatch?...

Why not just delete the Close combat rules sections from the BRb and be done with it, looks like GW really hates CC for some reason...

stubborn is not all crap. For my harlequins, it pretty much negates my hallucinogen grenade launcher and death jester rules. And since you are not so easily pinned, full BS on overwatch.

 Asmodai Asmodean wrote:
I downloaded the IBook preview but got none of this information.

Is this unique to the American version or something?

Click one of the items of wargear, scroll down to the bottom of pop-up window, and click Glossary Index.

What are the stats for the monster hunter ? People are saying it's the same and I find that hard to believe, and is the mace of redemption really gone? I always used that.

 Formosa wrote:
What are the stats for the monster hunter ? People are saying it's the same and I find that hard to believe, and is the mace of redemption really gone? I always used that.

See for yourself bro http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/303857-rumours-dark-angels-codex-interrogator-chaplain/?p=4095719

Both are the same. Hard to believe. Total stupidity.

Also if you need centurions, you can always take Ultramarines as allies and paint them Green. Not that big of a loss considering what we've already been given.

I'm gonna use sacred standard with my 2 Devastator squads.

Won't use Lion's Blade, no point. Can't overwatch with heavy weaps. Let's see how you Spacenoids like my walking Devastator squids of doom 6 inches of death a turn, moving towards you.

Um
You can totally overwatch with heavy weapons.

 raiden wrote:
Um
You can totally overwatch with heavy weapons.

Maybe he meant blast?

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 raiden wrote:
Um
You can totally overwatch with heavy weapons.

Maybe he meant blast?

. Possibly. But why are you using a blast weapon on devs? The plasma cannon is horrid.

 TedNugent wrote:
I'm gonna use sacred standard with my 2 Devastator squads.

Won't use Lion's Blade, no point. Can't overwatch with heavy weaps. Let's see how you Spacenoids like my walking Devastator squids of doom 6 inches of death a turn, moving towards you.

Sacred standard only gives relentless to the unit it is in. Naturally, the Dark Angels get bike and terminator command squads.

Wp GW.

Also, it's a pity for the dark angel players that Seed Of Fear doesn't stack with Mind Wipe. however, mind wipe will be a good way to get me to chuck all of my deny dice at something; same with aversion.

A pity for DA, glorious for everyone else.

Seed effecting Ld tests for Wipe would be OP as hell, dice permitting it would allow them to very effectively shut down a unit's damage output for the entire game per turn (or multiples if they took several Psykers and they all managed to get Wipe and Seed).

Does anyone know if grim resolve still grants stubborn on top of bs2 overwatch or just the overwatch bonus?

 th3maninblak wrote:
Does anyone know if grim resolve still grants stubborn on top of bs2 overwatch or just the overwatch bonus?

What? Grim resolve gives no such BS bonus that I've heard.


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 Crazyterran wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:
I'm gonna use sacred standard with my 2 Devastator squads.

Won't use Lion's Blade, no point. Can't overwatch with heavy weaps. Let's see how you Spacenoids like my walking Devastator squids of doom 6 inches of death a turn, moving towards you.

Sacred standard only gives relentless to the unit it is in. Naturally, the Dark Angels get bike and terminator command squads.

Wp GW.

Also, it's a pity for the dark angel players that Seed Of Fear doesn't stack with Mind Wipe. however, mind wipe will be a good way to get me to chuck all of my deny dice at something; same with aversion.

Quite simply, run the lions blade, take azreal, take green wing command squad+ banner, enjoy.

The green wing command squad that can only take special weapons that get to move and shoot anyways? I guess in a pod with grav guns might hose one thing down before dying horribly.

Grim Resolve gives BS2 on Overwatch and Stubborn.

Dark Angels are the Overwatch marines in the edition of shooting Death Stars. I guess space wolves (wolf stars) will really hate them with their mind wipes and then full BS overwatch. Of course, from the looks of it, the Lions Blade detachment hasn't really got anything that makes it worth taking over a CAD - at least the gladius bonuses help you outside of those few times someone tried to charge you. Well, I guess being able to take one scout squad for a battle company is a bit better for making the company to begin with. 110 points you can use to buy more razorback guns with.

Smite being to trade all of each models attacks for one at initiative power fist attack is also funny. Guess Deathwing Knights losing immediately to storm shield/thunder hammer terminators for more points is wonderful. Might be good if they made DWK s5 base, but I doubt it. I guess they will ruin Xenos days with their power maces and storm shields, though...

Okay, these last few points are making me VERY worried...

1, command squad + azreal in a rhino with areal. Rhino has a 4++ if rumours true (liom helm working on vehicles.)

Giive em banner and grav guns, now you can take them as part of lions blade, you hope out blast something, then dare them to charge you. (As the rhino can easy move to block LoS and pop smoke.

DWK I like and dislike. They are ap3 power.maces, which is nice, but the sheer threat is gone

I thought only the flail the Knight Master had was ap3, the rest are ap4.

I'll be pretty sad if they remove first turn Deep Strike from Deathwing, considering I just built an army based on it not two months ago. Not even that strong, sadly.

 Crazyterran wrote:
I thought only the flail the Knight Master had was ap3, the rest are ap4.

That's how it was in the previous Codex, now the Mace of Absolution has AP3 apparently, a good buff!

The flail may well be ap2 now.