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Assuming they arent gonna be featured in the Space Marine codex releasing soon (and rumors say they won't), what will the fate of BTs be, and until then, how will the 40k scene deal with BT players?

1) BT will receive their own codex, making them independent, or at least a supplement officially binding them to the 2015 Space Marine codex.

2) Since all BT have at this point are basically 2 named IC HQs, a crusader squad (that's 1 special and 1 heavy (includes power sword/fist) and wargear access for the sarge per 5 guys, with the option of everyone swapping their bolters for cc-weapons) and a dedicated transport LRC as unique units of their own, chances are they will cease to exist.


If 1 is true, will the soon-to-be-outdated 6th edition Codex: Space Marines with BT chapter tactics be the "official BT codex" until we get the new book?

Or will we be forced to buy the new SM book and play our BT as vanilla marines with b&w color scheme until the BT dex releases?

If 2 is true, obv. we will have to do the above indefinitely.

I'm of course talking about how tourneys and pick up games will rule things. Obv. it's a different issue in private gaming groups.

It's hard to say for certain.

I for one don't think GW would pass up the opportunity to sell another codex, lol

Especially considering the existing models, which are totally A-Okay

I'm expecting they will all get eaten by Tyranids.

As of right now there isn't even any word on ANY fist chapters. Fist founding chapters might get their own dex or supplement.

BT are a Second Founding Chapter... unless you meant "Fist Founding" as a pun on the fact that they're a break-away group of the Imperial Fists.

I mean the fact that the imperial fists of today, crimson fists, and the black tenplar are all originators of the old imperial fists legion. And that none of them are confirmed for the codex yet.

To be honest it is quite unsettling that 14 days before release there still havent been any actual rumors of what the new space marine codex will contain, except the odd one about formations.

I would be willing to get that they will remain in the Codex: Space Marines (or whatever they are going to call it). If they end up getting their own codex again, they would probably end up losing some units(Stormtalon, LSS, Centurions, AA tanks, etc.) in the process. They really don't have the amount of exclusive stuff anymore to warrant a codex of their own.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I would be willing to get that they will remain in the Codex: Space Marines (or whatever they are going to call it). If they end up getting their own codex again, they would probably end up losing some units(Stormtalon, LSS, Centurions, AA tanks, etc.) in the process. They really don't have the amount of exclusive stuff anymore to warrant a codex of their own.

This is why I'm guessing there will be a fist codex. Imperial fist, crimson fist, and black templar.

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I would be willing to get that they will remain in the Codex: Space Marines (or whatever they are going to call it). If they end up getting their own codex again, they would probably end up losing some units(Stormtalon, LSS, Centurions, AA tanks, etc.) in the process. They really don't have the amount of exclusive stuff anymore to warrant a codex of their own.

This is why I'm guessing there will be a fist codex. Imperial fist, crimson fist, and black templar.

Doubtful. Imperial Fists are even more Codex-adherent than Ultramarines are.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I would be willing to get that they will remain in the Codex: Space Marines (or whatever they are going to call it). If they end up getting their own codex again, they would probably end up losing some units(Stormtalon, LSS, Centurions, AA tanks, etc.) in the process. They really don't have the amount of exclusive stuff anymore to warrant a codex of their own.

This is why I'm guessing there will be a fist codex. Imperial fist, crimson fist, and black templar.

Doubtful. Imperial Fists are even more Codex-adherent than Ultramarines are.

Agreed. However what's the explanation for thodd three chapters being the only ones with nothing shown or mentioned for them whatsoever so far? All fist chapters no longer exist? They were the only interesting ones of the whole codex. Literally everything else is boring and dumb in the entire dex

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Pain4Pleasure wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
I would be willing to get that they will remain in the Codex: Space Marines (or whatever they are going to call it). If they end up getting their own codex again, they would probably end up losing some units(Stormtalon, LSS, Centurions, AA tanks, etc.) in the process. They really don't have the amount of exclusive stuff anymore to warrant a codex of their own.

This is why I'm guessing there will be a fist codex. Imperial fist, crimson fist, and black templar.

Doubtful. Imperial Fists are even more Codex-adherent than Ultramarines are.

Agreed. However what's the explanation for thodd three chapters being the only ones with nothing shown or mentioned for them whatsoever so far? All fist chapters no longer exist? They were the only interesting ones of the whole codex. Literally everything else is boring and dumb in the entire dex

The preview images people have found from the next White Dwarf have a picture of the new Assault Marine kit done in Imperial Fist colors. I think it is crap that they aren't getting an upgrade kit, but it is what it is.

That sucks man.. blah

I anticipate that Black Templars will continue to exist as a formation within Codex: Space Marines that allows Tactical SM to exchange their Bolters for BP & Chainsword, with a Chapter-specific formation bonus.

The Codex probably uses the Decurion style army building, and the rumoured doctrines.

I guess it's possible there are no more chapter distinctive stuff, but descriptions of how different chapters fight and what units they use, and you can tailor your army for very specific playstyles and units, resembling the common strategies of your chapter.

I atleast don't see nothing wrong in that. Like mentioned above, perhaps it could also be a supplement.

I think GW is moving away from Supplements in 7E, as part of their process to (slightly) simplify army building and rules. One book contains all of the rules, rather than cross-referencing to a separate book.

GW has done Decurion for all of the 7E-style Codices, so C:SM should be no different.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I think GW is moving away from Supplements in 7E, as part of their process to (slightly) simplify army building and rules. One book contains all of the rules, rather than cross-referencing to a separate book.

GW has done Decurion for all of the 7E-style Codices, so C:SM should be no different.

Isnt dark eldar 7th ed? They don't have a Decurion...

Yes they have a unique detachment but not similar at all to the others in style.


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Maybe they are 6th? Cant remember lol

I'm thinking DE was a 6E Codex released in 7E. Minor armies like DE get maintenance releases at the tail of an edition, not to launch a new edition.

With Space Marines (finally) coming out, at this point, the 7E Codices are in full swing. I think that Necrons are the first "true" 7E Codex, and represent when 40k 7E was originally planned to release, with Eldar, Mechanicus and SM shortly thereafter.

GW accelerated the 7E release date, so there is some oddity with the early Codices.

I'd like the see Black Templars get deny on 2+, even on enemy blessings. Make the Eldar pretend to work to win.

Any codex that has photographs of units instead of artwork is a 7th edition codex, because the first one that looked like this was released after 7th edition BRB released.

 Sir Arun wrote:
Any codex that has photographs of units instead of artwork is a 7th edition codex, because the first one that looked like this was released after 7th edition BRB released.

True. But starting with Necrons, they moved Formations more fully into the book (and stopped releasing supplements like Champions of Fenris). They also used those now-in-the-codex-formations for the new Decurion-style army organisation.

So kinda 7.5 from there on out.

I'd be fine with playing out of the current 6e codex as we wait for the new and updated Black Templar Codex.

It might be in the winter, but it will return the Eternal Crusade to its rightful place of power as THE assault army. I like how people think Blood Angels are the assault army. No no, they are the fast/angry army. fast movement, fast tanks and a bloodthirsty rage.

Close combat is not about rage, it is about dedication, hatred, and faith. You can hate something and still be calm about it. No need to lose your mind over it. In fact, losing your mind is close to heresy.

Although I have heard rumors of Land Raider squads and Land Raider formations. That sounds like the perfect formation for a Black Templar squad.

So I suppose only time will tell.

Currently SW are the meq assault army. Because TWC. Anyone whoever thought that BA were the meq assault army hasn't tried using them that way. BA aren't really anything atm other than Skitaari taxis and SM -1.

 Icculus wrote:
I'd be fine with playing out of the current 6e codex as we wait for the new and updated Black Templar Codex.

Close combat is not about rage, it is about dedication, hatred, and faith. You can hate something and still be calm about it. No need to lose your mind over it. In fact, losing your mind is close to heresy.

To the BT, isn't just about everything tanatmount to heresy, to be terminated with extreme prejudice?

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 Icculus wrote:
I'd be fine with playing out of the current 6e codex as we wait for the new and updated Black Templar Codex.

Close combat is not about rage, it is about dedication, hatred, and faith. You can hate something and still be calm about it. No need to lose your mind over it. In fact, losing your mind is close to heresy.

To the BT, isn't just about everything tanatmount to heresy, to be terminated with extreme prejudice?

I noticed that sentence ended in a question mark. You were expressing doubt! HERETIC!

On the contrary - I was testing you.

 Icculus wrote:
Close combat is not about rage, it is about dedication, hatred, and faith. You can hate something and still be calm about it. No need to lose your mind over it. In fact, losing your mind is close to heresy.

No need for close combat, actually. You can channel dedication, hatred and faith through bolt rounds pretty well too. Also comes in promethium flavor, for extra crispy.

Their spot in the chapter tactics section will be replaced with Blood Ravens

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
On the contrary - I was testing you.

This is a sign of deception HERETIC!

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
I anticipate that Black Templars will continue to exist as a formation within Codex: Space Marines that allows Tactical SM to exchange their Bolters for BP & Chainsword, with a Chapter-specific formation bonus.

That would be a huge injustice to the largest of the Chapters. But it is par for GW.