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I hope that slowmo and VATS are balanced. In FO3, I never used VATS as slowmo allowed for very precise hits and much faster killing.

 Sigvatr wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

Yeah, you are the one who can talk to people, he's the ne who can kill people. He literally has a CHA of 1.

Who needs Charisma when you can shoot people beyond the curvature of the Earth?

I cannot even remember the last time any FO character of mine had more than CHA 1. It's a total waste stat.

I think there were some charisma tests in NV, but that's about it.

yeah Id like a lot more sneaky character options, and a way to pass the game using just dialouge.

too many kill stuf quests not enough sneak around or talking ones.


Id like to see more mini games associated with skills too (doubt it will happen) but the lockpick game to lock lpifck and the electronic one are fun, should be some other skill related mini games

Yeah, that would be pretty cool. Especially with repairing stuff. Maybe like a puzzle with the different parts of the item or something? It would make the experince gain more than just "I found a thing and am good enough".

 easysauce wrote:
yeah Id like a lot more sneaky character options, and a way to pass the game using just dialouge.

too many kill stuf quests not enough sneak around or talking ones.


Id like to see more mini games associated with skills too (doubt it will happen) but the lockpick game to lock lpifck and the electronic one are fun, should be some other skill related mini games

Agreed, FO3 was almost pointless to do a pure speech character (although you could), and F:NV was better, it was still very much in the "solve the world's problems with violence!" category.

And some ACTUAL stealth mechanics would be cool, more than "am I in their LoS" nonsense.

Yeah, hiding under/in stuff. Stuff like smoke/stun grenades. Takedowns (although sneakattacks tend to work, I wouldn't mind a non-lethal option).

To be fair, the whole diplomatic approach doesn't really fit into the FO universe. It's a rough, harsh world to live in, with people happily stabbing your back for a mere handful of caps. Smoothtalking airheads like the NRC makes a lot of sense, but most people in the universe would just bang you away if they had the chance to.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Yeah, hiding under/in stuff. Stuff like smoke/stun grenades. Takedowns (although sneakattacks tend to work, I wouldn't mind a non-lethal option).

There's a mod for that in nv

My first character in New Vegas was a speech character. Didn't plan for it at the start but that's how it ended up. I just blazed through the main quest line without paying much attention to anything else (aside from those ghouls next to Novac) and save scummed so I could pass every speech/barter/science/etc challenge by leveling up. I somehow ended up at the final battle with leather armour at zero condition so if I took it off I wouldn't be able to put it back on and the varmint rifle Sunny Smiles gives you in the tutorial, not because I liked it, that was the best stuff I had. I could barely hurt the legionaries so I just rushed past everyone, read a speech magazine, put on my business attire and talked down Lanius, the end.

The next playthrough I actually stopped to smell the radioactive roses.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Yeah, hiding under/in stuff. Stuff like smoke/stun grenades. Takedowns (although sneakattacks tend to work, I wouldn't mind a non-lethal option).

There's a mod for that in nv

-and have it be integrated into the game so it's usable in quests and such. Not as it's own separate thing.

I mean, in F:NV you could use speech checks to deal with the Legate if you went the NCR route. There were plenty of ways to deal with things without shooting everything.

Just... why? Legate was a douchecanoe who needed an anti-material round between the eyes.

Well, General Oliver could use a few more "speed holes" as well, but I also talked him down, since I was playing for Mr House, easily my preferred choice. The only problem is his thoughts on the Brotherhood of Steel, justified maybe, but unfortunate.

 Lotet wrote:
Well, General Oliver could use a few more "speed holes" as well, but I also talked him down, since I was playing for Mr House, easily my preferred choice. The only problem is his thoughts on the Brotherhood of Steel, justified maybe, but unfortunate.

Haven't gone that route yet, I went independent New Vegas. I did have to talk some NCR dude down after he tried to claim victory for my work with the Legate. Considered wiping him and his men out to balance the scales with the Legate, but then I left Caesar alive so meh.

Man that game is so good.

I nuked both NCR and the Legion, because both of them are simply different sides of the same coin that lead the world to destroy itself the first time around.

The Wastelands need to stay roughly as they are, in a careful balance of power, with no globe-killing weapons.

 streamdragon wrote:

 Lotet wrote:
Well, General Oliver could use a few more "speed holes" as well, but I also talked him down, since I was playing for Mr House, easily my preferred choice. The only problem is his thoughts on the Brotherhood of Steel, justified maybe, but unfortunate.

Haven't gone that route yet, I went independent New Vegas. I did have to talk some NCR dude down after he tried to claim victory for my work with the Legate. Considered wiping him and his men out to balance the scales with the Legate, but then I left Caesar alive so meh.

Man that game is so good.

That Dude was General Oliver
Yeah, he's a dick. Apparently he only has a high rank because he kisses the president's ass.

 Psienesis wrote:
I nuked both NCR and the Legion, because both of them are simply different sides of the same coin that lead the world to destroy itself the first time around.

The Wastelands need to stay roughly as they are, in a careful balance of power, with no globe-killing weapons.

So you inadvertently changed the Wasteland by nuking them with globe-killing weapons?

The Wasteland must stay the same, so lets make it more radioactive and create a super-race of ghouls

Work with the tools you have, not the ones you want.

Did anyone ever figure out how to succesfully hack computers in F3 with that password word system thingy. Man that used to drive me absolutely nuts.

 Ratius wrote:
Did anyone ever figure out how to succesfully hack computers in F3 with that password word system thingy. Man that used to drive me absolutely nuts.

Its easy. You click a word, and if word isn't the right one it tells you which letters in that word are in the password.
Keep in mind placement is important as well.

Yeah, it's pattern recognition for the most part. A high Science skill is also great, as it removes words from the list of available passwords. Knowing how to utilize the random bits of symbols between words to gain extra allowance and remove wrong words helps, too.

 The Wise Dane wrote:
Yeah, it's pattern recognition for the most part. A high Science skill is also great, as it removes words from the list of available passwords. Knowing how to utilize the random bits of symbols between words to gain extra allowance and remove wrong words helps, too.

Now that is something I did not know

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:

 The Wise Dane wrote:
Yeah, it's pattern recognition for the most part. A high Science skill is also great, as it removes words from the list of available passwords. Knowing how to utilize the random bits of symbols between words to gain extra allowance and remove wrong words helps, too.

Now that is something I did not know

Not a lot of people do; I don't even remember where I learned it!

Go for small bits that look like this: <||> or [[-.-]], and click them. It'll give you all sorts of nice little bonuses. As long as they can be mirrored along the middle, they're clickable.

 Ratius wrote:
Did anyone ever figure out how to succesfully hack computers in F3 with that password word system thingy. Man that used to drive me absolutely nuts.

Install a mod that replaces the hacking with an automated system. While interesting and fun at start, if you're about to hack your 50th terminal, you just sigh.

 Ratius wrote:
Did anyone ever figure out how to succesfully hack computers in F3 with that password word system thingy. Man that used to drive me absolutely nuts.

Max out your science skill (makes hacking easier, shorter passwords etc, and you need science to hack high level computers anyway)
Save scum before hacking.
Make 3 guesses (3/4 attempts).
Activate all the brackets. This will remove dud passwords, and one of the brackets will reset your hack allowance, giving you a total of 7 guesses.
Reload if you fail.

 Ratius wrote:
Did anyone ever figure out how to succesfully hack computers in F3 with that password word system thingy. Man that used to drive me absolutely nuts.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but are you saying you never hacked a computer in FO3/NV?

Bethesda's doing some little animated videos on the S.P.E.C.I.A.L. stats. Super general though, nothing specific. Entertaining neverthelss.

I want a paddle ball melee weapon.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yuo7AuDGNN8

Looks like even Strength will come with its own crafting recipes for weapons and armour. I'm guessing they'll mostly err on the big and crude kind of mods. Absolutely brilliant. I was worried all the crafting would be locked behind Intelligence.

 Sigvatr wrote:
To be fair, the whole diplomatic approach doesn't really fit into the FO universe. It's a rough, harsh world to live in, with people happily stabbing your back for a mere handful of caps. Smoothtalking airheads like the NRC makes a lot of sense, but most people in the universe would just bang you away if they had the chance to.

Charisma is mostly worthless but I wouldn't say the diplomatic approach is useless or out of place. Heck, you can talk your way through 1, 2, and NV and, especially 1 and 2, were heavily designed that you could beat the game by either force, sneaking, or speaking your way through any challenge. Granted Speech was godly and charisma was useless which was an odd dichotomy!

Side missions are very different though and can't always be completed by all styles of gameplay. Then there's monsters and creatures, well those you just kill or run away from!