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Also dont forget to even get access to drones you need to buy the shas'ui (which nobody ever does I think) for another 10 points, so basically you are paying anywhere from 2-4 pts/model to get a 5++. Like I said, meh. And it will not save you from the charge that is guaranteed to follow after you get into range of anything (either from the remnants of the squad you failed to kill due to avg bs or other saves, or their buddies).

 Vhalyar wrote:
Maximum kawaii, featuring Turret-chan.



Uguu~~

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Co'tor Shas wrote:
Honestly, just making this assult 3 would fix all my problems with it. And possibly giving the long ranged AP5or6. IT would make it a legitamte trade-off to the pulse carbine. That or making it 5,5 up to 15" and giving it pinning.

Did you see the crapstorm that got stirred up when I suggested that Scions get an Assault 4 Strength 7 AP2 "Overcharged" mode(with Gets Hot) for their guns?

And you want to do S6 AP3 with Assault 3?

I find it really interesting though that this is the statline the Breachers get. Someone earlier said they do the Scion job but better, and honestly? That's definitely looking to be the case.

Meh, it's 1.5 S6AP3 hits per model at 5". I don't think 2.6 S7AP2 hit per model at 12" is really comparable. And if it's really that much of a concern, make the S6AP3 shot only assault 2.

 Kanluwen wrote:
I was posting ideas for "Campaign Boxes" a looooooooong time ago.

Raven Guard v. Tau was even one of them.

The Tau one is especially nice. Too bad the Space Marine one is kind of boring, if not for the cool looking Captain. Most of the character models that have been released have been very nice. And say what you want about the 32 page book, but they are a nice bonus, even for people with the codex. Given the scale of the Damocles Crusade, they could easily release more armies for the campaign, such as the Imperial Guard or another Space Marine chapter like the Black Templars (could have a Tactical Squad and a BT Upgrade Sprue among other things inside). I am glad they are slipping light vehicles in these sets like Land Speeders and Piranhas. Makes it a little cooler than a mass of bodies.

MoD_Legion wrote:
Also dont forget to even get access to drones you need to buy the shas'ui (which nobody ever does I think) for another 10 points, so basically you are paying anywhere from 2-4 pts/model to get a 5++. Like I said, meh. And it will not save you from the charge that is guaranteed to follow after you get into range of anything (either from the remnants of the squad you failed to kill due to avg bs or other saves, or their buddies).

If you are getting in close, a shas'ui is greatly reccomend. Not for the options, but for the Ld.

Wait, that wall is only $160?

...I thought it was $760 from that pic. Blindviedi.

New Crisis Suit is a bit meh. Here was a chance to finally change the joke model that holds back the Tau line from really being excellent, and the GW solution was pretty much just to slap on bigger shoulder pads and knee pads.

There are already excellent designs for new Crisis Suits done for the Tau Empire codex years ago. And like usual, GW ignored them.

Oh well, here's another opportunity that could have dragged me back into the HHHobby, and instead I get to spend my money on Infinity/Dropfleet Commander.

I just realized, someone needs to do a chibi version of the Forge World KX139 suit. It needs to be done.

So, thought about that adorable turret. You can give it some ok firepower, but you cannot shoot it off the table without shooting the squad away, you can't target the turret. If the squad hides outside LOS, then plops the turret down with LOS, it becomes some free shooting that the enemy cannot remove. By itself, not a game changer. But that could be, by CAD, six MP or SMS that can't be taken from the table without closing on the only Tau unit you actually don't want to close with.

I see what you were going for there GW. Too bad you made the rest of the squads guns fething useless.

I think the new Breachers with EMP grenades are actually super powerful. Depending on the viability of the devil fish, I could see these guys causing some hurt.

 Gamgee wrote:
Tau codex incoming nerf. I can smell it form a mile away. The breachers are limited to 10 men. Will our firewarriors be limited to 10 now too? I sense bad rules on the horizon. I got a feeling our formations are going to suck some major nuts.

Breachers are probable limited to 10 guys because your going to want to put drones into the squad and you need the last two places open so they can fit into the devilfish. I dont expect standard firewarrior teams to change.

Some new bundles went up on the GW website.

The triple Ghostkeel one seems like a basic webshop bundle, but the Heavy Retribution Cadre (3x Ghostkeels, 2x Stormsurge... lmao) says:

"A blinding firestorm of explosive intent, the Heavy Retribution Cadre is deployed when all diplomacy fails. Led by a Ghostkeel spotter, the accompanying Stormsurges constantly receive telemetry and feedback on enemy positions, adjusting their attacks and compensating for any and all variables with cold precision. Even the most enormous foe is is gradually reduced to dust by the furious nuclear flame of this Cadre’s devastating resolve.

This bundle will give you everything you need in order to field the Heavy Retribution Cadre, as found in Codex: Tau Empire. Three Ghostkeel Battlesuits lead the charge, spotting and advising, while two Stormsurges absorb their data, take aim, and annihilate. Five crushing examples of Tau tech! "

And the Optimised Stealth Cadre (1x Ghostkeel, 2x Stealth Suits) says:

"Visible, yet unseen. Hungry ghosts that perpetually haunt the battle lines of their enemies, the Optimised Stealth Cadre is exactly that - a group of spectres that appear suddenly from the fog of war, pouring ruinous fire onto a terrified and confused foe. Their stealth fields are networked using a technique known as mesme’j’kaara - the wall of mirrors - which utterly blinds targeting sensors with a mesh of interlocking obfuscation fields, making the weaving, undulating movements of the squad completely unpredictable.

This bundle gives you everything you need in order to field the Optimised Stealth Cadre, as found in Codex: Tau Empire. Two sets of three XV25 Stealth Battlesuits, with two accompanying marker drones, and an XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuit with two MV5 stealth drone projectors are included - the enemy won’t know where to turn."

Looks like we now know of two more formations, along with the Interdiction Cadre.

Breachers are already complete crap. Their guns are worse than carbines outside of 5". Unless the Devilfish gets a considerable buff, they're not worth taking in any list I can imagine.

Thinking about it all afternoon, the breachers are sub par, unless they get a formation with some significant bonuses.

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
Breachers are already complete crap. Their guns are worse than carbines outside of 5". Unless the Devilfish gets a considerable buff, they're not worth taking in any list I can imagine.

I can definitely see a use for them, I used to run a squad of 6 Fire Warriors with carbines and EMP grenades in a Devilfish in a lot of lists, it's a small unassuming squad that could REALLY put the hurt on light-medium vehicles, and could provide the finishing blow to heavier vehicles if I needed it. Breachers do the same job, but are even better inside of 5". I doubt I'll but the box, but I could definitely see myself using these guys in that role.

So two boxes rather than a single campaign box?

Ok...

The only thing Breachers have going for them is the ability to get a 5++ for 22pts. (And the turret, but I'm assuming that the Strikers are also going to be able to get the turret).


If the Strikers also get the Field Relay things as standard, then the Breachers will have nothing going for them.

 Tarnag wrote:

 Squidmanlolz wrote:
Breachers are already complete crap. Their guns are worse than carbines outside of 5". Unless the Devilfish gets a considerable buff, they're not worth taking in any list I can imagine.

I can definitely see a use for them, I used to run a squad of 6 Fire Warriors with carbines and EMP grenades in a Devilfish in a lot of lists, it's a small unassuming squad that could REALLY put the hurt on light-medium vehicles, and could provide the finishing blow to heavier vehicles if I needed it. Breachers do the same job, but are even better inside of 5". I doubt I'll but the box, but I could definitely see myself using these guys in that role.

I guess that's ok against some lists, but as soon as I see a devilfish coming at me, I'm popping it. AV12 isn't that great at protecting anything and a lucky shooting phase can take out bothe the Devilfish (not cheap) and its contents.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So two boxes rather than a single campaign box?

Ok...

No need to find someone to share the campaign box with.

 Ghaz wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
So two boxes rather than a single campaign box?

Ok...

No need to find someone to share the campaign box with.

GW did the right thing for once

Sit the Breachers behind a squad of fire warriors either on foot or in a devilfish. When anything gets close leapfrog your own unit and SHRED a whole squad!

Not entirely sure why the ranges are multiples of 5. Surely 6,12 and 18 would make more sense and make them slightly more useful.

Same thing with the stormsurge shotgun, really odd distances. In that case, 10" increments. I wonder why they didn't go with the GW standard of 6" increments for everything?

Pulse Rifles are 30", as are Ion Rifles and Smart Missiles (great synergy for the little turret there) so half of that is 15"

Ghostkeel stats posted on the Tau FB group

 stanman wrote:
Ghostkeel stats posted on the Tau FB group

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

They were also posted eleven pages and two days ago in this thread.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:
Pulse Rifles are 30", as are Ion Rifles and Smart Missiles (great synergy for the little turret there) so half of that is 15"

30" pulse rifles are one 6" range increment farther most rapid fire weapons at 24".

15" double tap range is half of 30". It used to be 12", not "half". When they made that change, 5e I think?, Tau were the only rapid fire weapon affected.

I really like the Breachers

Its like they are supposed to do what they are named for.. Breaching

They could be Really good in Zones type games.

as well as Anti tank and fortification duties with EMPs.

Im gonna laugh if that y7 devilfish or whatever ends up being an assault variant

Wait! What!

Reasonably Clear Pictures...In English...WHAT!

So if my math is right:

Shadow Force Solaq is:

Special Captain (wow awesome), 5 Sternguard, 5 Vanguard Vets, 1 SM Land Speeder $140

Infiltration Cadre Burning Dawn is:

3 Stealth Suits, 10 Pathfinders, Piranha, Drones, new Aun'Do $110

So the Ravenguard costs $50 + $40 + $30 = $120, plus a $25 character.

The Infiltration Cadre costs $27 + $35 + $30 + $11 = $103, plus a $25 character.

And you get the campaign books. The tau set isn't bad for me, because I don't have a lot of tau stuff anyways. But, I need another box of sternguard and vanguard vets and land speeder like I need another root canal. Since I want the character and the book, I guess it'll be one of each box for me.

It's a pity that this wasn't a really super deal like Stormclaw -- if they had everything together in a $150 box, I would have bought like 5


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 Anpu42 wrote:
Wait! What!

Reasonably Clear Pictures...In English...WHAT!

We are officially in Bizzaro Universe :X

 Desubot wrote:
Im gonna laugh if that y7 devilfish or whatever ends up being an assault variant

No, it just has a designation now.
TY-7 s the Devilfish
TX-7 is the Hammerhead
TX-78 is the Sky Ray
TX-4 is the Piranha
TX-42 is the FW upgraded Piranha.