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 Vineheart01 wrote:
i just realized the Commander (im assuming thats what that bigger crisis suit is) on the far right of that image is HUGE.
That will make 0 sense if hes still T4 with a suit that massive.

It surprised me it just had the same rules as a crisis suit with the old model, let alone this one.

 MajorWesJanson wrote:

 2001SpaceOdyssey wrote:

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
You are correct. I did not know the Pathfinder kit could do any other types of Drones, but it has the parts for a Gun Drone and a Shield Drone on top of everything else.

Which is good, considering the Shield Drone upgrade kit has disappeared from UK GW and is sold out in US.

It comes in the Broadside kit as well- bits to make 2 shield drones, missile drones, or gun drones.

I would not be surprised if the new FW kit includes parts to make Shield, Gun, Marker, or Guardian Drones.

I get that the Ghostkeel head is meant to mimic the faceplate of the Stealthsuits but I just can't get used to the design.

It just makes it look off to me compared to all the other suits.

I think the guns flanking either side of the head are kind of off putting too.

I don't think it would have been as bad if it had been half its size.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
i just realized the Commander (im assuming thats what that bigger crisis suit is) on the far right of that image is HUGE.
That will make 0 sense if hes still T4 with a suit that massive.

Don't hold your breath. Broadsides are literally the size of a Dreadnought and are on a 60mm base, and are still T4. I highly doubt we'll see Crisis Commanders get better than T4 outside of Iridium Armor. Tau just don't get good (or logical) toughness anywhere, it might as well be our thing at this point.

The Ghostkeel is T5 though, so there's always hope that the Commander and Broadsides get bumped up in toughness.

Also, it might be a cool conversion to put the Ghostkeel secondary weapons on the arms, and then shoulder mount the CIR or Fusion Cannon on the shoulder, sort of like the Stormsurge.

Ghostkeel's also an MC though, while the Commander and Broadsides aren't. I sincerely hope at least Broadsides get a boost to their toughness (since Commanders can always buy Iridium Armor provided it's still in the codex), but I'm not expecting it to happen.

Are all pulse weapons supposed to be getting this treatment with the different stats at different ranges?

I was noticing that the new commander suit is equipped with a missile pod and burst cannon. I was just curious if there is any hints that the burst cannon will be changing.

Nothing to really indicate that yet, both seem to not be normal pulse weaponry.

Edit: oops, I'm an idiot.

What are the odds we can have all of the new pictures put in the first post? I've been checking in every few days but there are several pictures I haven't seen. Any word on when the codex is dropping?

 Savageconvoy wrote:
Are all pulse weapons supposed to be getting this treatment with the different stats at different ranges?

I was noticing that the new commander suit is equipped with a missile pod and burst cannon. I was just curious if there is any hints that the burst cannon will be changing.

Nah, the pulse driver has only one profile. This range-dependent firepower is seemingly a thing for the 'pulse blastX(/er or /cannon)' weapons.

I can see the new commander being a T5 monstrous creature at that size, wouldn't that also mean he could fire 3 weapons, 2 for MC and one for the multi tracker(?)? Would be a nice buff to see

MC would be kinda pushing it. T5 alone would make me happy lol. Unless the Iridium Armor is removed and its just included in the price - that would both be awesome (multiple commanders with T5 2+ Armor) and suck (no non-commanders with it) at the same time lol.
Ork Warboss (or specifically Ghazzy) would be an MC before a Commander ever would.

Broadsides honestly i dont think should be T5. Theyre bigger because of excessive armor more than bigger gears n such. T5 Broadsides would be kinda....insane

Even though I own 4 enforcer suits (I love the scale and style of them compared with normal crisis suits), I don't want them to be monstrous creatures. I think having them be "iridium" suits standard (t5, 2+) puts them at a nice segway between the normal crisis suits and riptides. YMMV.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
MC would be kinda pushing it. T5 alone would make me happy lol. Unless the Iridium Armor is removed and its just included in the price - that would both be awesome (multiple commanders with T5 2+ Armor) and suck (no non-commanders with it) at the same time lol.
Ork Warboss (or specifically Ghazzy) would be an MC before a Commander ever would.

Broadsides honestly i dont think should be T5. Theyre bigger because of excessive armor more than bigger gears n such. T5 Broadsides would be kinda....insane

Why would T5 broadsides be insane? Look at the size of them. It would fit. I mean, obviously price accordingly, but otherwise it works.

Because what kills broadsides more than anything else? Getting sporked in 1 shot.

If broadsides were T5 i wouldnt fear lascannons anywhere near as much. Not many armies spam lascannons enough to burn through 12 wounds (including drones) and usually when they do my sheer numbers of firewarriors overrun them anyway.

It wouldnt be the most broken change but it would be pretty stupid because now a TON of weapons just became a LOT less menacing towards them. Anti-tank grade weapons are the answer to them, and T5 counters that thought process.

This game is full of unusual toughness values for the size of the model. Heck, the Stormsurge is a PERFECT example of this. Its the size of a Wraithknight yet its T6.....wut?

So instead they should be as tough as a space marine? Look at the size difference. Heck, look at the size difference of the crisis suit vs it. If it stayed the same size as the crisis, sure, but at it's size, that being T4 is ridiculous.

Marines arent multiwounded though. Theres also that argument.

Dont get me wrong it makes a lot more sense to have the suits above Stealth Suits to be T5+ because of their sheer size compared to a Marine. Stealthsuits should be T4 by that right too.

But, 1) that would be an unfair advantage that isnt Imperial or Eldar related so never going to happen and 2) that would just break Tau if our suits just got a +T1 across the board lol.

Any word on Kroot?

I actually realy like the Ghostkeel, it doesnt appear to be overpowered right now.

Aesthetically it is far superior than than orbital turret called the stormsurge.

Considering how much suit-related stuff weve seen i'd be a bit surprised if they pulled Kroot stuff out of their ass.
Kroot are cool but lets face it just about everyone plays tau for the suits lol

True, I sculpt Tau armor on my kroot and use them as firewarriors, I think I might use them now as breachers, and keep the normal tau firewarriros and the standard.

I also converted my broadside into a kroot using a massive kroot rail guass weapon. =)

I honestly want the tau to use more auxillaries to fulfill very specific rolls.

edit:

a kroot in a Ghostkeel would be a dope as special character tho

Triszin wrote:
Any word on Kroot?

Bird is the word!

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Marines arent multiwounded though. Theres also that argument.

Dont get me wrong it makes a lot more sense to have the suits above Stealth Suits to be T5+ because of their sheer size compared to a Marine. Stealthsuits should be T4 by that right too.

But, 1) that would be an unfair advantage that isnt Imperial or Eldar related so never going to happen and 2) that would just break Tau if our suits just got a +T1 across the board lol.

Oh no, I don't want crisis suits to be T4, just broadsides. They're a bit larger than dreadnoughts. They really deserve T5.

Well, beside the Iridium Suit, I don't think the Tau really should have any 2 +Sv, so giving the Broadside T 5 but 3+ Sv wouldn't be to much.

If taking away the 2+, what's the trade? 4++ invulnerable?

Why wouldnt they have 2+ armor? Terminators are significantly smaller and have 2+ armor. The scale is ridiculous between even a Crisis Suit and a Termie let alone a Broadside or Riptide.

Im willing to bet the only reason Ghostkeel/Stormsurge isnt 2+ armor is both because 4 non-unique units with 2+ armor is a bit over the top and also because Grav guns are the answer to literally everything, but are slightly less effective against 3+.
Really hate that gun btw. Its way too easy to just go "gravs will deal with that..." to way too many things.

Triszin, do you have pics of your kroot stuff? I would love to see them.

I figured that the 3+ on the Ghostkeel and Stormsurge is because they aren't meant to be frontline heavy combat units like the riptide. 1 is an artillery platform and the other is a stealth unit. So probably a 3+ to represent heavy armor, but only covering vital areas rather than all encompassing.

But the point is that the Broadside right now costs as much as a Drednaught, is the size of a Drednaught, and is on a Drednaught base yet for some reason it's just a two wound terminator without Relentless and without an invul save.
T4 on a model like that is just an insult.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Why wouldnt they have 2+ armor? Terminators are significantly smaller and have 2+ armor. The scale is ridiculous between even a Crisis Suit and a Termie let alone a Broadside or Riptide.

Im willing to bet the only reason Ghostkeel/Stormsurge isnt 2+ armor is both because 4 non-unique units with 2+ armor is a bit over the top and also because Grav guns are the answer to literally everything, but are slightly less effective against 3+.
Really hate that gun btw. Its way too easy to just go "gravs will deal with that..." to way too many things.

Considering we don't get the fluff mentioned Voidstar ( And don't get me started why it should be Air Caste piloting those) and they are supposedly as tough as Terminator armour and a little larger than stealth Suits I don't see why any Crisis frame suits shouldn't be 2+

I'm so modelling my own Voidstar as something but I dont know what yet.

 Co'tor Shas wrote:

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Marines arent multiwounded though. Theres also that argument.

Dont get me wrong it makes a lot more sense to have the suits above Stealth Suits to be T5+ because of their sheer size compared to a Marine. Stealthsuits should be T4 by that right too.

But, 1) that would be an unfair advantage that isnt Imperial or Eldar related so never going to happen and 2) that would just break Tau if our suits just got a +T1 across the board lol.

Oh no, I don't want crisis suits to be T4, just broadsides. They're a bit larger than dreadnoughts. They really deserve T5.

Spoiler:

No what they really deserve is av12/12/10 3 hp

That would actually be a buff if our crisis suits/broadsides/commanders were 12/12/10 walkers with 3hp....with riptides/surges being 13/13/11. Ever faced the ork wall of steel list? If you arent tailored to deal with it, you ARENT dealing with it because thats just way too much armor for your average list to deal with. And as Tau, we have access to a 4++ on said walkers. Again, that would be a buff, not a nerf.

Walkers instead of creatures would either be pathetically weak and make tau unplayable, or overpowered as gak