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MoD_Legion wrote:
Jokes on us though, because the new kit only builds 10 dudes, even though you can field 12 in a strike squad. Well played GW (not that I need any more firewarriors, but some people might).

Not the first time theyve done that.

Kroot come in squads of 20 before any hounds or krootox. Box gives you 16.

THATS annoying. You will always have excess Kroot until you have more kroot than you'd ever want to field. You need 5 boxes to be able to field all kroot in full squads and have no excess, thats 80 kroot!

MoD_Legion wrote:
Jokes on us though, because the new kit only builds 10 dudes, even though you can field 12 in a strike squad. Well played GW (not that I need any more firewarriors, but some people might).

Damn, yeah, just looked at the sprues and there are only 10 torsos in the box. And I am not quite sure why there are 20 shoulder pads when they only get one. I can't tell if there are different sept markings on them or not.

Different pads for different squad types.

LighthouseM wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I told everyone the new codex was going to be bad. No one listened to me though.

Our only hope is those formation, and if they're just getting jettisoned into some side book with such little change I have very little hope.

Well the Tau are effectively being gutted. Thanks a lot whiners for making us not get any buffs to stay competitive. Now instead of hoping for everyone to be buffed to the same level as Eldar/Necrons/Marines your keeping some of the codices down here and some up there and some over there all at wildly different levels of balance.

Games Workshop. NEVER listen to your idiot fans again with an exception to confirmed competitive players. I liked you better that way.

I seen the proposed rules for the 1 Ghostkeel and 3 stealth suits formation? Sucks so bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LowVhCfLm68#t=0m41s

Dude...seriously stop. You haven't even seen a quarter of the codex yet

I'm beginning to think he is actually some form of performance artist out to live the life of a hyperbolic caricature of the sterotypical forum goer

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Not the first time theyve done that.

Kroot come in squads of 20 before any hounds or krootox. Box gives you 16.

THATS annoying. You will always have excess Kroot until you have more kroot than you'd ever want to field. You need 5 boxes to be able to field all kroot in full squads and have no excess, thats 80 kroot!

Careful now. GW might just "fix" that by lowering that down to 10 Kroot per kit and charge you $50 for the new package.

The 20 pads/heads are because the breachers/strikers are different "models" to tell them apart. Original firewarriors look like they always have, which personally i like them (the molds just needed to be updated to get rid of the moldline crap to me). Breachers have the new helmets/shoulder pads.

Part of me hates that they put it all in there because now they can bump the price up even more and "justify" it. Then again, if they were separate, they'd probably be ~45USD anyway.

You can technically magnetize their arms/helmets but magnetizing things that small is usually a pain in the rear. Even magnetizing the thin side of a Fusion Blaster is a pain in the butt because its so easy to accidentally cut through the side of the model. I dont know anybody that magnetizes troop arms for this reason lol

 mazik765 wrote:

LighthouseM wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I told everyone the new codex was going to be bad. No one listened to me though.

Our only hope is those formation, and if they're just getting jettisoned into some side book with such little change I have very little hope.

Well the Tau are effectively being gutted. Thanks a lot whiners for making us not get any buffs to stay competitive. Now instead of hoping for everyone to be buffed to the same level as Eldar/Necrons/Marines your keeping some of the codices down here and some up there and some over there all at wildly different levels of balance.

Games Workshop. NEVER listen to your idiot fans again with an exception to confirmed competitive players. I liked you better that way.

I seen the proposed rules for the 1 Ghostkeel and 3 stealth suits formation? Sucks so bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LowVhCfLm68#t=0m41s

Dude...seriously stop. You haven't even seen a quarter of the codex yet

I'm beginning to think he is actually some form of performance artist out to live the life of a hyperbolic caricature of the sterotypical forum goer

Considering that he was behind this little stunt, I'd say that any Tau nerf would be out of sheer negative karma.

 TheNewBlood wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I told everyone the new codex was going to be bad. No one listened to me though.

Considering that he was behind this little stunt, I'd say that any Tau nerf would be out of sheer negative karma.

Wow....That is seriously awful.

 derling wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I told everyone the new codex was going to be bad. No one listened to me though.

Considering that he was behind this little stunt, I'd say that any Tau nerf would be out of sheer negative karma.

Wow....That is seriously awful.

You heard it here first! Gamgee is single-handedly responsible for the upcoming Tau nerf! Send all complaints to him!

Do you guys know there is a handy dandy ignore function on dakka, right? It might be best to use that instead of derailing the news and rumors thread into a "why userXXXXX shouldn't be allowed to post for the greater good!" thread. The inaugural member of my ignore thread from years ago posts in this thread and the ignore function really does work! If someone annoys you that much, just ignore them either in theory (don't respond) and/or in practice (the actual forum function).

I feel like it would have made more sense to simply make two kits, using the space the heads and pads take up now to fit in more arms/legs and thus requiring the same number of molds for sprues to be made thanks to intelligent bit allocation on each sprue.

It's just easier to sell a person two kits at 35$ as opposed to one for 50$.

 TheNewBlood wrote:

Considering that he was behind this little stunt, I'd say that any Tau nerf would be out of sheer negative karma.

That's... uh, special.

 warboss wrote:
Do you guys know there is a handy dandy ignore function on dakka, right? It might be best to use that instead of derailing the news and rumors thread into a "why userXXXXX shouldn't be allowed to post for the greater good!" thread. The inaugural member of my ignore thread from years ago posts in this thread and the ignore function really does work! If someone annoys you that much, just ignore them either in theory (don't respond) and/or in practice (the actual forum function).

But mocking trolls is so much fun!

And believe me, he is on my ignore list. I just wanted to illustrate why people shouldn't take him seriously. Furthermore, in relation to the topic at hand, there are plenty of people spouting that the Tau have been "nerfed" without any convincing evidence. No confirmed codex leaks, no nothing. I'm just finding it a bit funny that people are freaking out when so little concrete information has been revealed so far.

 warboss wrote:
Do you guys know there is a handy dandy ignore function on dakka, right? It might be best to use that instead of derailing the news and rumors thread into a "why userXXXXX shouldn't be allowed to post for the greater good!" thread. The inaugural member of my ignore thread from years ago posts in this thread and the ignore function really does work! If someone annoys you that much, just ignore them either in theory (don't respond) and/or in practice (the actual forum function).

VERY good advice there.

I'd suggest many start to follow it.

And keep this thread on topic and insult free.

Hopefully some English language leaks will happen soon.

Has anybody else had further experience with the Stormsurge or Ghostkeel kits?

I've not seem much in P&M blogs.

 derling wrote:

 TheNewBlood wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:
I told everyone the new codex was going to be bad. No one listened to me though.

Considering that he was behind this little stunt, I'd say that any Tau nerf would be out of sheer negative karma.

Wow....That is seriously awful.

I had to laugh when I was reading that, because that would have been my response to someone proposing such an idea to me face-to-face.

"Wait, so you want me to either play like a total donkey cave, or not at all, with my Eldar? Okay, kid, whatever you say."


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 Alpharius wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Do you guys know there is a handy dandy ignore function on dakka, right? It might be best to use that instead of derailing the news and rumors thread into a "why userXXXXX shouldn't be allowed to post for the greater good!" thread. The inaugural member of my ignore thread from years ago posts in this thread and the ignore function really does work! If someone annoys you that much, just ignore them either in theory (don't respond) and/or in practice (the actual forum function).

VERY good advice there.

I'd suggest many start to follow it.

And keep this thread on topic and insult free.

Sorry.




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 Medium of Death wrote:
While we all enjoy drinking delicious tears from time to time we should probably keep it on topic.

Hopefully some English language leaks will happen soon.

Has anybody else had further experience with the Stormsurge or Ghostkeel kits?

I've not seem much in P&M blogs.

When I actually have a spare moment to play around with the Stormsurge kit, I'm going to see if the spare dfish kit parts I've got on hand can cover up that mortar-bait cockpit. I've got some spare upper hulls, portions of which might do the trick.

I know there is a Tau Special Character Ethereal on hover drone in the new Campaign which is the new Ethereal model that shows up in the Rumor posts...

but I wonder if that is a model specifically for the Campaign character, or is a general new Tau model for the ethereal in which case....

Is the vanilla Ethereal getting a 5+ armor save?

I think Ethereals should all have an invul save considering Aun'Shi has one its clearly possible lol.

Theyre so...sooooo squishy. Only times mine doesnt die in like 1-2 turns is when he hides behind a broadside wall or inside a devilfish (i swear to god if they make his powers no longer work from a vehicle....)

What's the rumored ghostkeel/stealth formation? And any word if there is a way to make stealthsuits troops? I want to field a bunch because I like the models.

 Orock wrote:
What's the rumored ghostkeel/stealth formation? And any word if there is a way to make stealthsuits troops? I want to field a bunch because I like the models.

It's not "rumored".

It's confirmed right there in the text for the Optimised Stealth Cadre:

This bundle gives you everything you need in order to field the Optimised Stealth Cadre. Two sets of three XV25 Stealth Battlesuits, with two accompanying marker drones, and an XV95 Ghostkeel Battlesuit with two MV5 stealth drone projectors are included - the enemy won’t know where to turn.

Interestingly enough, that text is actually changed a bit though. It did previously say what was effectively "This is a formation in Codex: Tau Empire".

Here's the original text:

This bundle gives you everything you need in order to field the Optimised Stealth Cadre, as found in Codex: Tau Empire.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Interestingly enough, that text is actually changed a bit though. It did previously say what was effectively "This is a formation in Codex: Tau Empire".

THe Hammerhead formation still has that line, but both ghostkeel formations lost it. Firebase still doesn't have it.

Orock wrote:What's the rumored ghostkeel/stealth formation? And any word if there is a way to make stealthsuits troops? I want to field a bunch because I like the models.

No way to make Stealth Suits troops. The codex is basically the same from 6th, formations aside.

 Vector Strike wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Interestingly enough, that text is actually changed a bit though. It did previously say what was effectively "This is a formation in Codex: Tau Empire".

The Hammerhead formation still has that line, but both ghostkeel formations lost it. Firebase still doesn't have it.

Yup. Interesting.

Orock wrote:What's the rumored ghostkeel/stealth formation? And any word if there is a way to make stealthsuits troops? I want to field a bunch because I like the models.

No way to make Stealth Suits troops. The codex is basically the same from 6th, formations aside.

Formations and the new "Hunter Cadre" detachment plus all the new goodies aside, you mean?

Really could have done with a stealth suit between the XV-25 AND XV-95

XV-65 anyone?

Come to think of it didn't FW discuss doing more suits in the lower, sub XV-8, ranges?

Out of curiosity what the heck is that bit with the stealthsuits that isnt the marker drone?

I have the oldschool metal stealthsuits, so i dont have anything that looks like that lying around.

I'm guessing it's just a physical Homing Beacon since they can take that on their leader as an option.

I really do hope they buff the Stealth Suits a little, as right now they're just not very good, despite having awesome models. Not to mention Commander Shadowsun is one of my favourite models out there, but she's nearly unplayable :/.

Gun limitations are my main issue with stealthsuits. They could use a small price reduction too but i mainly want to be able to have full squads with fusions. Right now, price aside, youre forced to get Targetlocks on the fusion suits because otherwise they either overkill a troop or your bursts are wasted on vehicles. I despise mixing guns in a squad. I'd rather have Counterfire on them because they get charged a lot, that BS2 overwatch is a lifesaver.

And i too love Shadowsun. Ive been holding off on painting her because i want to get my stealth-field idea working right first. Which i finally started working on since Ghostkeels also need it and i kinda want them on the table asap lol.

 Tinkrr wrote:
I'm guessing it's just a physical Homing Beacon since they can take that on their leader as an option.

I really do hope they buff the Stealth Suits a little, as right now they're just not very good, despite having awesome models. Not to mention Commander Shadowsun is one of my favourite models out there, but she's nearly unplayable :/.

Nah, it's just a little extra piece they put on the sprue that serves no function, they've had it long before they could take a homing beacon.

Did they have it on the old Stealth Suits, before they got the big bulky version? I got a fine cast one when I bought a large NIB stuff from a person, and there's this one piece I can't really place anywhere.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Gun limitations are my main issue with stealthsuits. They could use a small price reduction too but i mainly want to be able to have full squads with fusions. Right now, price aside, youre forced to get Targetlocks on the fusion suits because otherwise they either overkill a troop or your bursts are wasted on vehicles. I despise mixing guns in a squad. I'd rather have Counterfire on them because they get charged a lot, that BS2 overwatch is a lifesaver.

And i too love Shadowsun. Ive been holding off on painting her because i want to get my stealth-field idea working right first. Which i finally started working on since Ghostkeels also need it and i kinda want them on the table asap lol.

I'm fully with that, especially since the Burst Cannon isn't a particularly good weapon, and having to take multiple copies of it on suits that compete with Crisis Suits both in cost and force org isn't beneficial. Maybe if they cut the price a little and gave the Fusion blaster a built in Target Lock, like they do with Markerlights on squad leaders, but even then both weapons are short range and pull the unit in different directions. Honestly, that's why I could see them making Stealth Suits a troop choice, I mean they did it with Crisis Suits for FSE, and the Burst Cannon does feel like something basic troops would carry as opposed to elites, because it is comparable to the Pulse Rifle in power.

Actually, considering Shadowsun is depicted in the campaign i wouldnt be surprised if she gets her own suppliment like Farsight did. Her perk? Troop stealthsuits and all non-MCs that remain stationary gain Stealth or something gimicky like that.

Would be interesting....nah wouldnt happen lol

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Actually, considering Shadowsun is depicted in the campaign i wouldnt be surprised if she gets her own suppliment like Farsight did. Her perk? Troop stealthsuits and all non-MCs that remain stationary gain Stealth or something gimicky like that.

Would be interesting....nah wouldnt happen lol

So much counting on this and making stealth suits troop options.

 Tinkrr wrote:
Did they have it on the old Stealth Suits, before they got the big bulky version? I got a fine cast one when I bought a large NIB stuff from a person, and there's this one piece I can't really place anywhere.

Not the XV15s, but the plastic XV25s during 4th and 5th had it, and the homing beacon wasn't a thing yet.