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 angelofvengeance wrote:
Must be about time to lock this thread surely?

Why?

There's still more to come from this Tau release.

Why what else is to come from the Tau release?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Must be about time to lock this thread surely?

When the tau stuff is actually released, then yeah. Right now there's still conjecture to be had.

 McNinja wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Must be about time to lock this thread surely?

When the tau stuff is actually released, then yeah. Right now there's still conjecture to be had.

Which can be done in another thread in discussions surely?

And then Farsight's Mont'ka champaign book.

Theres still the other half of the campaign. Not to mention the possibility of an updated Farsight Supplement.

Remember: theres 2 new suits to be given IC rules now! /kappa

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Why what else is to come from the Tau release?

How about the actual CODEX this upcoming weekend? An early pdf leak/release/whatever doesn't mean most people have a "copy".

Are the Booklets released in the 2 boxed sets the same information that is in the War Zone Damocles: Kauyon book set?

 mjl7atlas wrote:
Are the Booklets released in the 2 boxed sets the same information that is in the War Zone Damocles: Kauyon book set?

Nope!

 Kanluwen wrote:

 mjl7atlas wrote:
Are the Booklets released in the 2 boxed sets the same information that is in the War Zone Damocles: Kauyon book set?

Nope!

Damn, lol. Thanks for the information.

So, I'm looking through and it appears that there is no way to bring Darkstrider in a Hunter Contingent. Am I wrong?

I imagine that was intentional. If you could bypass the "only join squads of firewarriors or pathfinders" bit he would quickly become insanely powerful.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
I imagine that was intentional. If you could bypass the "only join squads of firewarriors or pathfinders" bit he would quickly become insanely powerful.

What? No.

I mean there is literally no slot in the Command, Core, or any of the formations to take him.

You can only take him as part of a CAD or Allied Detachment.

You can still use his ability in a Taucurion, but not as easily.

His rule doesn't specify he can only join squads in his Detachment, so you can just take a barebones CAD with him and 2 small Strike/Breacher squads, then join him to a Strike/Breacher/Pathfinder squad from the Taucurion.

Them combine fire and bam, instant cheese.

LighthouseM wrote:
So, I'm looking through and it appears that there is no way to bring Darkstrider in a Hunter Contingent. Am I wrong?

I would not be surprised if they release in the future a Montka Warzone Damocles book with a new Taucurion would include him or farsight instead of Shadowsun.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 mjl7atlas wrote:
Are the Booklets released in the 2 boxed sets the same information that is in the War Zone Damocles: Kauyon book set?

Nope!

So a completionist like me would need to obtain them separately to get everything for the campaign?

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
You can still use his ability in a Taucurion, but not as easily.

His rule doesn't specify he can only join squads in his Detachment, so you can just take a barebones CAD with him and 2 small Strike/Breacher squads, then join him to a Strike/Breacher/Pathfinder squad from the Taucurion.

Them combine fire and bam, instant cheese.

Yeah sure...but it just seems like a glaring omission. You'd think at the very least he would be an option for the Command (you know, along with every other HQ in the codex)


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 A Watcher In The Dark wrote:

LighthouseM wrote:
So, I'm looking through and it appears that there is no way to bring Darkstrider in a Hunter Contingent. Am I wrong?

I would not be surprised if they release in the future a Montka Warzone Damocles book with a new Taucurion would include him or farsight instead of Shadowsun.

Thats true I guess. Maybe Darkstrider defected?

Oh yeah i guess theres that loophole to get him in there. It does add a lot of value on his head since that makes him around ~220pts or something like that with 2 min FW squads, but depending on who youre dealing with the ability to let your Hammerheads or Railsides instasport T6/T5 things is insane. Or T4 for that matter via missilesides or MP crisis suits.

Still, not sure if i'd want to spend that much to bring such a squishy unit i cant hide behind suits or inside a devilfish since he has to actually shoot to use him. A firewarrior squad is not that hard to focus fire down, but until you stick the nonsuit characters in one there is little reason to focus so much of your army into them early on.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 mjl7atlas wrote:
Are the Booklets released in the 2 boxed sets the same information that is in the War Zone Damocles: Kauyon book set?

Nope!

So a completionist like me would need to obtain them separately to get everything for the campaign?

If you really want some very basic missions, I guess?

I have the codex here, anyone have any questions?


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Nifty piece of fluff. Kais is awake, and is leading the Ghostkeel teams.

Zelnik wrote:
I have the codex here, anyone have any questions?


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Nifty piece of fluff. Kais is awake, and is leading the Ghostkeel teams.

Other than the new formations, are there any new point costs or statline adjustments to previous units? Or is everything still the same?


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Just kidding, I have the codex now too!

Huzzah!

Questions I got so far.

Heavy Rail Rifle remains unchanged, sorry guys. Looks like your riflemen are still for looks and not for function. HYMP is the same as well.

Broadsides remain unchanged aside from formation benefits.

The riptide is exactly the same aside from the squads of 1-3. Looks like they aren't rare anymore. MASS PRODUCTION, HO!

HBC and Ion Accelerator remain unchanged.

anyone else?

Yeah BL/GW fethed up with the epubs. Good job on releasing them a week earlier

The codex is VERY sparse on fluff. Things that had detail in the previous edition are heavily glossed over.

The other half of the Campaign book probably isn't coming out for a good while; they have the Horus Heresy coming out, more Age of Sigmar apparently...

Maybe when the Astra Militarium book comes out? They'll call it 'Killing Blow' instead of 'Mont'ka'.

They do make a point that the Etherials know that Farsight is alive, and they want to know exactly how the jerk is still alive...AND how they got the riptide battlesuit.

 Orock wrote:

jakejackjake wrote:

 Orock wrote:

jakejackjake wrote:
Necrons are not one of the top three armies by the way

Opinion discarded, placed in a fire proof waste bin, doused with agent orange and burned as blatantly false. Just because you don't know how to use them does not mean this is in any way shape or form remotely true.

If you look at actual results its blatantly true since the last three books came out

Eldar
Necrons
Marines







Everyone else

An arguement could be made to swap necrons with marines, but they are still top 3. Dont believe me? Start a poll. Ask weather people think necrons are one of the top 3 armies. I guarantee you your results will apparently suprise you.

In fact here you go

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/668002.page

It doesn't matter what people think on a website where 99% of lists posted are terrible and people say"yeah that's good it can kill tactical marines" Like they don't understand hat if you bring something specifically for something like tacticals you already are building a bad list. I like to go by results of those playing at the most competitive level. The results won't surprise me since I have rarely met my match in an opponent I think most people are bad. I see people deepstrike over 400 pts regularly without a reserve modifier. If you do this I am going to tell you now it's not that you aren't good it's that you're bad.


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I think I can build better DA lists than marines at the moment actually.


On a side note apparently I'm not allowed to get the new codex since GW is the only website that won't take my money regardless of the source. Really frustrating. I can't paypal or direct pay.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
Formations aside the only real difference is 3 new units, firewarriors getting the admittedly cool sounding turret thingie, squadrons of riptides/hammerheads/skyrays as well as Fire Team (+1BS when theres 3 MCs or Vehicles as long as one of them has this rule....yea its a pretty janky wording), and CIB/AFB are no longer unique guns. Oh and crisis suits are in squads of 1-9 now apparently.

No statline or cost changes. No new gun options aside from the before mentioned CIB/AFB being widely available instead of unique.

The formations though....eeeeesh they completely revamp how tau are going to play.[/quote

I don't know 5++ or 4++ options for Firewarriors is a pretty big change I would think. Suddenly you actually have to shoot them to kill them. Got to admit having to use Markerlight to make Destroyer missiles D in stead of 8 make shtme the least offensive of the D weapons.

After looking at the new book they didn't give the Tau anything they didn't have already except a Garg and even that is just Str x spam (like it's the equivalent of 360pts in fire warriors but probably not as good from a maelstrom perspective) and low AP big blast which The entire army and riptides already did really easily. I see nothing of value and they nerfed the firebase which was literally the ONLY reason Tau could play competitively. Kind of a disappointment actually So I'm glad they won't let me get the limited edition

This does not bring the Tau to new marine or Eldar level. They're actually just in the same exact spot but with more options. The formations do not compensate for the taxes you have to take the way the marines ones do. I'm not taking 600 pts in trash to make my my one unit that doesn't suck in the formation better which is what I see in those. The gladius or Lion's blade has immediate win pontential that can clearly be seen. These do not. I don't mind being forced to take bad units but I do not see how this can be competitive.

I disagree with most I think the formations are pretty bad. They actually had to nerf the firebase so that people would play them

jakejackjake wrote:
After looking at the new book they didn't give the Tau anything they didn't have already except a Garg and even that is just Str 5 spam and low AP big blast which The entire army and riptides already did really easily. I see nothing of value and they nerfed the firebase which was literally the ONLY reason Tau could play competitively. Kind of a disappointment actually So I'm glad they won't let me get the limited edition

This does not bring the Tau to new marine or Eldar level. They're actually just in the same exact spot but with more options. The formations do not compensate for the taxes you have to take the way the marines ones do. I'm not taking 600 pts in trash to make my my one unit that doesn't suck in the formation better which is what I see in those. The gladius or Lion's blade has immediate win pontential that can clearly be seen. These do not. I don't mind being forced to take bad units but I do not see how this can be competitive.

Sorry, but you lost ALL credibility with that statement lol

Str D missiles?
2+ cover save MC?
INSANE formations sharing all special rules?
Nothing new... hahaha