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The knees arent posable? Oh cmon gw that was the biggest thing we wanted the new crisis suits for to begin with.
Less incentive to buy any now than i had before. Considering i got like 12 of the suckers lying around lol

 Deathklaat wrote:

 Orock wrote:

 Deathklaat wrote:
Yeay for buying the new Tau at 30-35% off I am very eager to start building Tau again. I still have the first few WD from they were originally released, oh the memories.

where are you getting that kind of discount?

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That's a fantastic price! 1st item at 30% off, second at 35% off is great.

ANy one else seen the War Zone - Kauyon? Is it me or is it just the Tau Codex ver2? Only thing I can see different is the fluff is Damocles specific. As far as Tau go, I mean. The Space Marines get some nice perks. I may get this as my hard copy Tau book do to the Marine formations.

Hmm... the overall Tau terrain box has two of the walls, but the actual box has one. Now I see the point of the big box.

 Vineheart01 wrote:
The knees arent posable? Oh cmon gw that was the biggest thing we wanted the new crisis suits for to begin with.
Less incentive to buy any now than i had before. Considering i got like 12 of the suckers lying around lol

Honestly more dissapointed by elbows...

Pics to give you an idea:




Still might be possible to pose them, but you'd have to make a cut under the round part you see there...kinda tricky since it's not a straight cut and there's some detail you might risk damaging. Some of the arms would be so tricky to try and repose that it almost doesn't look like it's worth doing, but like I said there are three sets of them, and if you buy multiple boxes you can mix and match even more to get the kinda look you're going for.

EDIT: Actually I dunno, on closer inspection some of the arms look like they might not be too hard to cut...the back part of the arm would be a straight cut with a jeweler's saw, but when you get to the front naturally you have the rounded part beneath the rotating joint, and I dunno about anyone else but I always hate trying to do cuts that have a curve like that. Like I said before, I've seen people cut and repose the old suits (and I've done it myself), so I think it's definitely possible with the new kit if you're determined enough.

But I agree, would have been so much better if they were designed to be posable at the knee and elbow, as well. Perfect, even. But I guess there's not enough room on the sprues for that since they had to include all the drone parts...and apparently there are $36 worth of drones in the kit, since GW values them at $6 each. Anyway, like I said I think the kit's okay, I bought three of them and I'm still interested in replacing all of my suits eventually. Honestly I'm more annoyed about the painting guide.

EDIT 2: More pics of the arms, in case this helps anyone. Sorry the pics turned out upside down.




So...not that much variety I guess. Straight, slightly bent, and then a pair that's bent almost 90 degrees. Guess you gotta play with them to see what you can do.

no_to_co wrote:
GW released another super expensive WEB order only formation:

I can't find that on the US GW site. Any specifics?

It'll be up when GW's US preorders go up tomorrow. Until then you can view it on the New Zealand site.

 Ghaz wrote:
It'll be up when GW's US preorders go up tomorrow. Until then you can view it on the New Zealand site.

Too bad I can't make out the rules at all

Why would they bother making the legs multipiece if the knees dont bend?

Admittedly that looks easier to cut up than the original legs do, but they really should have let us bend them by default.

Ghostkeel technically can be posed but it dislikes sitting in any position thats not its stock one. Thats another one that kinda ticks me off, but since the thigh/shin is already separated i was able to get around that issue.

I don't know. I would have preferred if they just left the drones off the sprue and used all that extra space to make truly posable limbs, and maybe give us more extra weapons and support systems instead (or heads, torso plates etc.), and then just throw three of those sprues from the drone kit in there. Honestly I don't see the point of the drone sprue anyway; if they were going to go through the effort of making a new drone sprue then why the feth did they spend these past two years putting all the drones on the sprues for all the new Tau kits as they got released? Even GW has to know that they're probably not going to sell many of those $12 blisters...older Tau players like myself probably have a few dozen unbuilt gun drones just lying around, and we're not going to feel like spending $6 per drone when we used to get them practically for free, and I also don't imagine many new Tau players being at all excited about the prospect of spending $6 on a fething drone, either. Hobby's expensive enough as it is without spending stupid money like that on a "model" that's basically a frisbee not much bigger than an average base sitting on a flight stand.

It might have required a slightly bigger box to fit the extra drone sprues in, but is that really such a big deal that you have to compromise on the quality of the kit? According to GW it apparently is.

It would seem I'm GW's ideal customer though, because like I said, I still like the kit and plan on buying more eventually, but it's still disappointing. Honestly I suspect that's the reason why GW never uploaded sprue pics for the crisis suit kit, like they did for the commander, fire warriors and pretty much every single other new Tau kit that came out this month. Should've known better.

I guess it says a lot about GW whenever you're trying to defend them, and you still come off sounding like a bitter hater. lol...

I don't know if I like the idea of "exclusive rules" on that Tidewall Counterstrike Cadre.

I could see some kind of limited rulebook or exclusive rules print out, but surely there isn't going to be some weird, only-100-copies-in-the-country Tidewall formation owned by whoever throws down on that box set.

Rare models I'm ok with, cool box sets I'm ok with, but when people don't have equal access to the rules the game gets a little disjointed in my opinion.

I wonder what they mean?

Osseo wrote:
I don't know if I like the idea of "exclusive rules" on that Tidewall Counterstrike Cadre.

I could see some kind of limited rulebook or exclusive rules print out, but surely there isn't going to be some weird, only-100-copies-in-the-country Tidewall formation owned by whoever throws down on that box set.

Rare models I'm ok with, cool box sets I'm ok with, but when people don't have equal access to the rules the game gets a little disjointed in my opinion.

I wonder what they mean?

You seem to be forgetting about the Skyhammer formation for marines. They made that one exclusive to a $400 (?) web bundle that was limited to like 400 copies or so. This is not new behavior from GW.

You seem to be forgetting about the Skyhammer formation for marines. They made that one exclusive to a $400 (?) web bundle that was limited to like 400 copies or so. This is not new behavior from GW.

I didn't actually play back then (I don't know actually know what a Skyhammer is...) but how do people go about getting access to the rules so they can play with the formations? It's not like it couldn't be duplicated using the same models, even if you don't have the physical rules from the box.

According to GW?

You don't - unless you buy that web package.

In reality…. other options may fill in.

So fancier arm and leg work still requires some cutting and gap filling? Dang.

At least there's still 3 sets of each for variety

Well if you build them stock they're still "fancier" than the old model, that's for damn sure. You would have to do cutting and a little bit of sculpting just to get an arm extended out, and/or a bent leg. Now you can get much more dynamic-looking suits much more easily than before, that have way more detail than before. Far from a failure in my opinion, it's just not what everyone wanted.

Osseo wrote:

You seem to be forgetting about the Skyhammer formation for marines. They made that one exclusive to a $400 (?) web bundle that was limited to like 400 copies or so. This is not new behavior from GW.

I didn't actually play back then (I don't know actually know what a Skyhammer is...) but how do people go about getting access to the rules so they can play with the formations? It's not like it couldn't be duplicated using the same models, even if you don't have the physical rules from the box.

It was May or June of this year. You only got the rules for the formation if you bought the boxset below:

Devastator Squads in drop pods get the relentless special rule, meaning they can fire their Grav Cannons, Lascannons, or Missile Launchers at full BS the turn they drop down.
Any unit that gets targeted by the Devastators in this formation must take a leadership test at 3D6 and if it is failed they immediately go to ground.
Assault Squads in this formation can not only deepstrike turn 1, but they may assault the turn in which they do because buy those kits that’s why.
Oh, and if a unit went to ground due to those Devastators the Assault Squads get to re-roll both hits and wounds when they assault that unit on turn one after deep striking because buy these kits that’s why.
The entire force (2 Devastator Squads in Drop Pods and 2 Assault Squads) can either come in turn 1 or turn 2 with no need to roll for it.
Deathwing silently cry into their For the Emperor O’s.

https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2015/06/25/skyhammer-and-the-pay-to-play-40k-era/

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Hmm... the overall Tau terrain box has two of the walls, but the actual box has one. Now I see the point of the big box.

Yeah. It's not QUITE as spectacular a deal as getting 2 shield walls, though, because the wall section comes with a round... thing... the part that can be configured with 1 set of steps or two (looks a bit like the drone port). If you buy 2 wall sections separately, you'll get 2 of those. And they're quite big.

I think, anyhow. I bought the tidewall rampart, but have only given it a cursory glance.

Well I bought two of the big Tau terrain box, so I have tons of walls.

The rampart only came with 3 circular bases, though there were enough of the curved sections to make a fourth round thing.

Sorry, this has problem been covered somewhere in the last 180 pages, but what's the deal with the new Codex vs that Kauyon book? I'm told that if you have the old codex then you don't need the new one, but tather the Kauyon book?

 AduroT wrote:
Sorry, this has problem been covered somewhere in the last 180 pages, but what's the deal with the new Codex vs that Kauyon book? I'm told that if you have the old codex then you don't need the new one, but tather the Kauyon book?

The Kauyon book has all the new rules in it, so you can either get the new codex, or use the old codex and Kauyon. So if you were planning to buy Kauyon anyway, you don't need to also buy the new codex. Although if you weren't gonna get Kauyon, the new codex is cheaper (but doesn't have the fortification rules).

 ImAGeek wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Sorry, this has problem been covered somewhere in the last 180 pages, but what's the deal with the new Codex vs that Kauyon book? I'm told that if you have the old codex then you don't need the new one, but tather the Kauyon book?

The Kauyon book has all the new rules in it, so you can either get the new codex, or use the old codex and Kauyon. So if you were planning to buy Kauyon anyway, you don't need to also buy the new codex. Although if you weren't gonna get Kauyon, the new codex is cheaper (but doesn't have the fortification rules).

So they didn't change the rules for existing units, just added new ones?

 AduroT wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:

 AduroT wrote:
Sorry, this has problem been covered somewhere in the last 180 pages, but what's the deal with the new Codex vs that Kauyon book? I'm told that if you have the old codex then you don't need the new one, but tather the Kauyon book?

The Kauyon book has all the new rules in it, so you can either get the new codex, or use the old codex and Kauyon. So if you were planning to buy Kauyon anyway, you don't need to also buy the new codex. Although if you weren't gonna get Kauyon, the new codex is cheaper (but doesn't have the fortification rules).

So they didn't change the rules for existing units, just added new ones?

There are some changes, but updated data sheets are included in Kauyon for any changed units.

Not even mad about the exclusive formation. Its just like rare foils and cards in magic.

 Samurai_Eduh wrote:
Not even mad about the exclusive formation. Its just like rare foils and cards in magic.

I am. It's like the constant "exclusive models!11!!"(read: alternate sculpt tied to some bundle or preorder) for Infinity--it's detrimental to the game as a whole.

 Jadenim wrote:
So the iBook codex just became available, had a quick skim through it, seems pretty much as described, effectively Tau 6.5 plus formations. So, nothing to write home about, but not a problem either.

Except for one thing, the artwork accompanying the Stormsurge is absolutely laughable. It's that same MS paint style that they've been using for the colour scheme diagrams (which are at least a little better executed in this one than the SM codex), but used for a "dynamic" battle scene. What a way to try to sell your great new LoW GW! It's frankly embarrassing and I can't believe any company would want to put that in a professional publication.

Heh I'd like to see that.

Book is out now, so we'll lock this.

If any new releases or rumours spring up they can go in a new thread.