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I know what you're driving at there (maybe) but that's an interesting take on the subject!

Merijeek wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
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That's a pretty damning AND embarrassing list there for PB - hard to imagine that they could spin that in any positive way whatsoever.


Oh come on, you can make anyone look bad with a carefully cherrypicked list!

Had no job.
Looked like a hippy.
Had twelve other hippies following him around all the time.
Preachy

I swear, that Jesus guy sucked!

And that is a brave guy, right there.

Comparing KS to the Son of God. Not going to go well for KS, that.

Jesus only had 12 'Fan-friends', looked like a hippy, and had no job.
Still had more positive effect on the world in a year than KS ever could in a lifetime and is still though of well over 2 millennia later. Mind you, that might be the timeframe we are looking at for wave 2, so there may be parallels.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
PB's efforts over the last year or so have rapidly dropped to below zero utility. [Yes, they are worse than useless. Their lack of verifiable progress and lack of meaningful communication have damaged not only their reputation, but also that of their partners and their IP. I am just glad that in fact Macross is not their IP and I can get my fix elsewhere - as I will not give PB another cent!]

They appear to ensure they get the better end of any deal.
I feel it is time I will never get back reading their "updates" so I have to thank mightily those who summarize them.
Well, will continue at least spending the energy warning people off the company, not so much the starter box if they are rabid model builders.

 Conrad Turner wrote:

Merijeek wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
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That's a pretty damning AND embarrassing list there for PB - hard to imagine that they could spin that in any positive way whatsoever.


Oh come on, you can make anyone look bad with a carefully cherrypicked list!

Had no job.
Looked like a hippy.
Had twelve other hippies following him around all the time.
Preachy

I swear, that Jesus guy sucked!

And that is a brave guy, right there.

Comparing KS to the Son of God. Not going to go well for KS, that.

Cut him some slack. If he's been posting on the Palladium forums, it's sometimes hard to tell the two inspiring messianic figures apart with the cult of personality that defies all reason/broken promises/facts there.

Nice not-SAAB Drakken there...

In hindsight, I really wish I had just bought straight-up Macross & Mac Plus kits instead of funneling cash into RTT. The only silver lining is that I didn't spend as much as most others did.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
And that is a brave guy, right there.

Comparing KS to the Son of God. Not going to go well for KS, that.

Go ask in the PB Cult Forums and Kevin might come out ahead in a poll.

Don't be ridiculous. The thread would be lock and warnings issued for trolling for simply suggesting that someone might be better than the the Dear Leader, Eternal President, and Great General Kevin.

Well, out of sheer boredom at work, I typed up a letter and submitted it to their KS email, asking where the info was about the figures/resin bits that we were told was in the works, for more Work In Progress stuff, etc.

Not that I expect anything to come of it, but I suppose I finally tired of saying the same stuff on the same venues, so I decided (with Morgan's assistance, shout-out to Morgan!) to try saying the same things in a new venue.

Oh well. At this rate maybe I'll get around to saying it all to their faces at Gencon, seeing as I don't have high hopes of them delivering before the next one I currently plan to attend.

In 2017.

Merijeek wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:
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That's a pretty damning AND embarrassing list there for PB - hard to imagine that they could spin that in any positive way whatsoever.

Oh come on, you can make anyone look bad with a carefully cherrypicked list!

Had no job.
Looked like a hippy.
Had twelve other hippies following him around all the time.
Preachy

I swear, that Jesus guy sucked!

Could someone who is a Mekton Zero backer (I assume there is some overlap here with Robotech for the fandom) pm me a cut and paste of the last update? It's backer only and I can't see it.

Isn't Mekton more DP9-related than Robotech-related?

Two questions:

1). Has there been any indication that wave 2 is ever going to happen, or failing that that PB will allow us to cash out our remIning pledge value with existing stock?

2). What kind of plastic 1/144ish Macross or Mospaeda (or similar) models are out there?

1) Nope

What do you mean nope? Every PB newsletter Kevin says they are working on wave 2, and we've been assured by the super fans that Kevin doesn't lie, so it would be impossible that he cuts and pastes an untruth every single week.
I mean, seriously, how would that affect the super fans if it turned that not only did Kevin lie, but that he lies quite often?
Impossible.

 warboss wrote:
Could someone who is a Mekton Zero backer (I assume there is some overlap here with Robotech for the fandom) pm me a cut and paste of the last update? It's backer only and I can't see it.

Sure. PM sent ^_^

Well true to my word I'm holding off on filing with any AG before the end of the year. I, unlike Palladium, am going to stick to my word and not take action earlier than I stated in my formal letter to them.

What worries me is that Kevin may try and lump me in as part of a group of co-ordinated people who are seeking action. Somone else who filed was basically hand waved off because Prince K. said he was a rabble rouser and bad guy.

No matter who files prince Kevy will lump all backers as rabble rousers to avoid the AG. He's now throwing backers under the bus.

Filing? Does that mean that someone is starting a lawsuit! If so that's great news. Run Palladium into the ground for their theft from backers. If I can't get my minis or money back, I'd rather see my money go to one brave backer than to help upgrade Kevin's living comforts.

 Cypher-xv wrote:
No matter who files prince Kevy will lump all backers as rabble rousers to avoid the AG. He's now throwing backers under the bus.

"now"

You're so adorable.

darkminstrel wrote:
Well true to my word I'm holding off on filing with any AG before the end of the year. I, unlike Palladium, am going to stick to my word and not take action earlier than I stated in my formal letter to them.

What worries me is that Kevin may try and lump me in as part of a group of co-ordinated people who are seeking action. Somone else who filed was basically hand waved off because Prince K. said he was a rabble rouser and bad guy.

yeah evidently Kevin has named me as the ring leader even though I was not the first to file with the AG, nor have I really urged others to do so. furthermoreI have only been saying what i'm doing, but according to Kevin i'm the leader, the mastermind and so forth.

Asterios wrote:

darkminstrel wrote:
Well true to my word I'm holding off on filing with any AG before the end of the year. I, unlike Palladium, am going to stick to my word and not take action earlier than I stated in my formal letter to them.

What worries me is that Kevin may try and lump me in as part of a group of co-ordinated people who are seeking action. Somone else who filed was basically hand waved off because Prince K. said he was a rabble rouser and bad guy.

yeah evidently Kevin has named me as the ring leader even though I was not the first to file with the AG, nor have I really urged others to do so. furthermoreI have only been saying what i'm doing, but according to Kevin i'm the leader, the mastermind and so forth.

Mr. Simbieda probably can't conceive the notion that someone - a single individual - is not in charge.

Asterios wrote:

yeah evidently Kevin has named me as the ring leader even though I was not the first to file with the AG, nor have I really urged others to do so. furthermoreI have only been saying what i'm doing, but according to Kevin i'm the leader, the mastermind and so forth.

This is exactly what I was referring to. I have no contact with you beyond responding to a handful of comments here and on the Kickstarter comments pages. Were he to claim that we're in league it would cast a doubt on my claims enough that the facts might be ignored.

I'd bring up the fact that he claims anyone backing the Kickstarter who complains is in league. Because you are, by backing his failed project.


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Is all American law that offensively stupid?
You can wrong a group of people, and if they complain, can use the defence that they're in league against you to avoid investigation?
So, if it does at some point become a problem, does the legal entity then go, oh wait, there were reports something might be wrong here, and now it's too late to do anything. Whoops.

Under American law, corporations are blameless, holy creatures that don't have time for corn-shucking peasants such as ourselves.

darkminstrel wrote:

Asterios wrote:

yeah evidently Kevin has named me as the ring leader even though I was not the first to file with the AG, nor have I really urged others to do so. furthermoreI have only been saying what i'm doing, but according to Kevin i'm the leader, the mastermind and so forth.

This is exactly what I was referring to. I have no contact with you beyond responding to a handful of comments here and on the Kickstarter comments pages. Were he to claim that we're in league it would cast a doubt on my claims enough that the facts might be ignored.

go with the facts and nothing else, I didn't expound so many facts on my submission cause I wasn't counting on any resolution from PB, instead I was going for an info run to see what Kevin's response and defense are.

Aaaand, PBWU time! Some positive news [obiwan]from a certain point of view[/obiwan]

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™

Palladium is a small company and has to juggle its workload. This week and next, we’ve been focused on finishing a couple of RPG books, before we can turn our attention back to Robotech® RPG Tactics™.

At least they're admitting they're doing feth all on this project. I'm sure it'll come as a shock to everyone that the two books they put this project on hold for, and are spending this week and next on, blew through their own specific deadlines. PB missing a release date? What an unexpected turn of events.

(although we did have a conference call with our manufacturing broker on Wednesday). More stuff is coming as we continue to work on other areas of support and getting Wave Two into final manufacturing. Shooting for second quarter 2016.

Kind of expected them to just straight up ignore their EOY/EOQ2 deadline. But take heart, there's a new release date on the horizon! And it's 5-8 months from now. Just like it was 5-8 months from the Adepticon "December" release date, and 4-7 months from the August Update that mentioned Wave 2. But I'm sure they're serious this time. I do wonder though, with a Q2 expectation, if "Robotech RPG Tactics, the game, will be at Gen Con. For sale. In quantity. There's not much question about that. (I realize some folks on here are questioning it, but there's no doubt in my mind.)"

Wayne had meant to post the Wave 2 paper game pieces on DriveThruRPG last weekend, but then it was pointed out that you guys still need the cards to play them. With the book deadline we’ve been up against this week, he hasn’t yet been able to export the files and post them, but they should start going up in the next few days, along with their associated paper game pieces.

Aaaaand the clusterfehtery continues. Seriously, this drek should NOT be this hard. Why weren't these cards done, oh, I don't know, a year ago? Sure, it might be a little more work to convert to Drivethru PDF format, but it's not rocket surgery. And goes to show just how disorganised they are that they were about to pull the trigger and realized "Umm... stat cards?".

The bar's recessed into the ground at this point, and PB CONTINUE to trip over it. It's a spectacular example of incompetency, bordering on artistry. They should charge for this.

Oh... wait....

They did.

The weekly 98% grab bag sales pitch / 2% actual newsletter is out. Palladium made a phone call for robotech this week! That counts as ongoing work for the minimum legal purposes, right?!?! Oh, and (surprise!) the paper wave 2 minis didn't go up like they promised last week because the rules weren't ready. Yes, at Palladium, taking 2 years extra to fulfill their kickstarter rewards means that they can't even put out paper tabs with minis pics on them during that delay. Also, they're officially putting robotech on the backburner for a few weeks to get out some books (as opposed to unofficially doing squat for 8 months like in 2015). Forar, you'll have to update your countdown to stupidity as Robotech is now officially pushed back for the 12th time (a rough guess) until 2nd quarter 2016. It's the cusp of November and nothing has been done since February so I guess Palladium finally has to concede that we won't get our next batch of mouthwatering minis (paper or plastic) anytime soon.

Morgan this is not the first time they had a "Phone call" with their "Broker" nor is it the first time they made it seem like it was amazing news either.

Asterios wrote:
Morgan this is not the first time they had a "Phone call" with their "Broker" nor is it the first time they made it seem like it was amazing news either.

Oh, for sure. That's why I pretty much ignored that part of the spiel, and focused on the unlikely as hell revision of the ETA. If I had time, I'd see how close Warboss's "12 times" release pushback is. I don't think it's close, for just Wave 2 (I'm thinking 5 or 6), but I think 12 is too low if you include the Wave 1 delays, as well as the delays from when it was still going to be one package.

I think unless they've done a crapload behind the scenes (and I find that hard to believe, given their penchant for shouting about their tiniest victories), I think EoQ2 is about as unrealistic as any other deadline they've given. If they work hard, put their shoulder into it, buckle down and give it their all? EoQ3 at an outset, in time for Black Friday 2016 maybe. But I don't expect that, as I expect there'll be another shiny thing that distracts them (along with their specific obligations, Adepticon, GenCon, possibly another PBOH), and that'll put 2016 off the table.

I wonder if the guy who believed the February date fell off his chair in surprise that the date got pushed back again.