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Nah, if anything, he fell over in a rush to try and forgive them first.

"He who falls to his knees and forgives Palladium first for any and all transgressions shall inherit the keys to the kingdom of Fan Friends." -The Book of Murmurs, Chapter ©®TM, verse 98% done.

Also, I didn't realize Morgan ninja'd me on the weekly sales pitch. Sorry about the double post.

Morgan Vening wrote:

I think unless they've done a crapload behind the scenes (and I find that hard to believe, given their penchant for shouting about their tiniest victories), I think EoQ2 is about as unrealistic as any other deadline they've given. If they work hard, put their shoulder into it, buckle down and give it their all? EoQ3 at an outset, in time for Black Friday 2016 maybe. But I don't expect that, as I expect there'll be another shiny thing that distracts them (along with their specific obligations, Adepticon, GenCon, possibly another PBOH), and that'll put 2016 off the table.

Well, EoQ2 is a possibility if they really are on the verge of mass production. IF. But if they were, one, it'd be easy just to post a few pre-production samples to shut the doubters up, and two, it's still tight thanks to shipping and distribution requirements. So.. yeah, they might make it, but it's more likely the better part of another year.

Kevin is making me a liar. Just a couple days ago I stated that I would stay true to my word and not begin filing against PB before the 31st of of Dec., but with this update I'm going to begin gathering actionable information.

What upsets me the most is that I have to come here or to the Kickstarter comment section to learn about these updates. I'm not a subscriber to the PB newsletter, why should I be? The updates are supposed to be posted on the KS project site to inform the backers of relevant information. The fact that it is not borders on a breaking of the KS TOS in its self. So buckle on your big-boy pants, Kevin, you've had this coming.

Edit;

If anyone has factual information they would like to share please feel free to contact me and I will review it for possible inclusion.

Kevin doesn't post on the Kickstarter as much because he was told to stop spamvertising his gak on there.

Asterios wrote:
Kevin doesn't post on the Kickstarter as much because he was told to stop spamvertising his gak on there.

I don't want advertisements for new things, but information relevant to the continuing progress of the project is vital to everyone who put money towards its completion. The fact that we are not being updated properly is more offensive than the current timeline to completion.

darkminstrel wrote:

Asterios wrote:
Kevin doesn't post on the Kickstarter as much because he was told to stop spamvertising his gak on there.

I don't want advertisements for new things, but information relevant to the continuing progress of the project is vital to everyone who put money towards its completion. The fact that we are not being updated properly is more offensive than the current timeline to completion.

which is why we don't get updates, he was using it to shill his product and not give us updates which he has none to give us, wave 2 is dead.

darkminstrel wrote:

I don't want advertisements for new things, but information relevant to the continuing progress of the project is vital to everyone who put money towards its completion. The fact that we are not being updated properly is more offensive than the current timeline to completion.

You ARE assuming there is progress for an update. Given PB's tradition and history of malmanagement of projects, that's a big assumption.

Looking at things, that PB is applying their "tried and tested" management approach to a totally new field just shows how unsuited they are to this KS.

Yeah, as stated in his responses to the BBB, he was using the spam advertising "updates" to pad his update count and make it look like he was keeping in semi-regular contact with backers. Even with the spam, there were still long stretches where he didn't bother trying to sell more stuff to the people owed rewards from almost two years earlier. Someone with no knowledge of robotech or palladium would look at those misleading "updates" and think they were legitmate when they were just spam adverts. Of course that ignores the indisputable fact that the only real updates were 6+ months earlier when he was responding to BBB and the rest were just filler, ads, and attempts as changing the subject to anything else besides what he owes us.

If he can't spam more "please buy more stuff despite the fact that I haven't delivered on the stuff you bought 2 years ago!" updates anymore, that does at least partially explain the lack of official updates recently. In any case, it doesn't sound like the spam was working. The "exclusive" limited edition kickstarter only minis will be available to everyone for longer than they were exclusive by the end of the year and into January with their inclusion in the grab bags. Gencon sales were lackluster as well per their own admission. It seems like the robotech kickstarter bubble has long since burst from palladium and yet they're left standing their inexplicably wondering what happened despite holding the needle in their own hand.

funny thing is if more and more people filed with the michigan AG (even RoW Backers) the Michigan AG will be forced to look into the matter.

http://akibahobby.net/2015/10/tamashii_nation_2015_photo.html

Tamashii Nations was this weekend, check out all this great Macross stuff that will come out before Wave 2!

Have they mentioned what scale this stuff is?

Looks tiny, and PVC. Gashapon?

Yup, hence my question to see if it is a viable alternative to Tactics since Palladium seemingly has no interest in giving us any progress on wave 2.

1/1800 scale along with that giant SDF-1

Edit: Looks like the mechs are 1/700, but they come with the 1/1800 SDF

Bandai Hi-Metal R Monster.

I wonder what it will cost.

OTOH, with the Armored Valk is 9,300 JPY / $80ish, that toy won't be cheap.

Still...

 Cyporiean wrote:
1/1800 scale along with that giant SDF-1

Edit: Looks like the mechs are 1/700, but they come with the 1/1800 SDF

They're almost 1/3 the size of RRPGT minis? Wow... I guess that shows what someone competent and motivated can do with the design despite having about a fraction of the material to work with.

To be fair, those are PVC, which permits undercuts. Also, tiny, with no expectation of amazing, crisp detail.

If I just receive my Monster, I will be happy at double the Valkyrie part count.

It's weird seeing Breetai with hands and feet in scale with his body, isn't it?

I wonder, if you flip open the Longbow hatches, will they have a slowed little pattern with one hole patched over?

 Cyporiean wrote:
http://akibahobby.net/2015/10/tamashii_nation_2015_photo.html

Tamashii Nations was this weekend, check out all this great Macross stuff that will come out before Wave 2!

I don't suppose you'd happen to know what scale those are? I think I need them all, the Breetei with the pipe is classic!

Great, this is like a therapy session for our next "fix" since the local dealer is too tripped out on his product.

Joyboozer wrote:

 Cyporiean wrote:
http://akibahobby.net/2015/10/tamashii_nation_2015_photo.html

Tamashii Nations was this weekend, check out all this great Macross stuff that will come out before Wave 2!

I don't suppose you'd happen to know what scale those are? I think I need them all, the Breetei with the pipe is classic!

Breetai is 1/12-ish (if he was human sized )

 Talizvar wrote:
Great, this is like a therapy session for our next "fix" since the local dealer is too tripped out on his product.

Our dealer cut the good stuff with too much talc and kept taking our money first while lying about what street corner he'd be on to pick it up... and now he's pissed off his mexican cartel and can't get more stuff to sell. Thankfully, we're all going on 12 months clean at this point so I think we're good.

yknow they might get more actual work done if they didnt waste time writing a 10,000 word sales newsletter every week/month.

chaos0xomega wrote:
yknow they might get more actual work done if they didnt waste time writing a 10,000 word sales newsletter every week/month.

those are actually most likely cut and paste, since if Kevin and his crew work more then 10 minutes a day they would faint.

You assume Kevin knows how to cut and paste.

Oh Kevins been cutting and pasting for a long time now.

It was the key to his "art" long before us young whippersnappers with our fancy digital publishing and "Ctrl-C then Ctrl-V" shortcuts came around

Maybe not. That could be the explanation as to why he is able to put in 200 hour work weeks, yet never actually produce everything.

Imagine, he probably types out every PLEASE BUY OUR GRAB BAGS!!!!!!!1111!!! message by hand.

 warboss wrote:
The weekly 98% grab bag sales pitch / 2% actual newsletter is out. Palladium made a phone call for robotech this week! That counts as ongoing work for the minimum legal purposes, right?!?! Oh, and (surprise!) the paper wave 2 minis didn't go up like they promised last week because the rules weren't ready. Yes, at Palladium, taking 2 years extra to fulfill their kickstarter rewards means that they can't even put out paper tabs with minis pics on them during that delay. Also, they're officially putting robotech on the backburner for a few weeks to get out some books (as opposed to unofficially doing squat for 8 months like in 2015). Forar, you'll have to update your countdown to stupidity as Robotech is now officially pushed back for the 12th time (a rough guess) until 2nd quarter 2016. It's the cusp of November and nothing has been done since February so I guess Palladium finally has to concede that we won't get our next batch of mouthwatering minis (paper or plastic) anytime soon.

Spoiler:

UPDATE: Robotech® RPG Tactics™
Palladium is a small company and has to juggle its workload. This week and next, we’ve been focused on finishing a couple of RPG books, before we can turn our attention back to Robotech® RPG Tactics™.

(although we did have a conference call with our manufacturing broker on Wednesday). More stuff is coming as we continue to work on other areas of support and getting Wave Two into final manufacturing. Shooting for second quarter 2016.

Wayne had meant to post the Wave 2 paper game pieces on DriveThruRPG last weekend, but then it was pointed out that you guys still need the cards to play them. With the book deadline we’ve been up against this week, he hasn’t yet been able to export the files and post them, but they should start going up in the next few days, along with their associated paper game pieces.

Oh, so they've moved the goal posts again. I think it's time to use Asterios/Rick's UPSP guidelines to tell them feth no, give me a refund.

Has anyone figured out how much PB owes us for the unfulfilled models from a Battlecry set? Perhaps Forar? I intend to put it in as my refund amount + individual items ordered. And when Wave 2 doesn't deliver January 1, another letter to the AG on the "see, they can't hit a deadline if it was a barn and KS was two feet from it with a scattergun".

Hey, pal, by retail pricing you own THEM money.

Make checks payable to The Simbieda, The Multiverse, ScrewYouBackeristan, MI, USA.

 Stormonu wrote:
Oh, so they've moved the goal posts again. I think it's time to use Asterios/Rick's UPSP guidelines to tell them feth no, give me a refund.

Has anyone figured out how much PB owes us for the unfulfilled models from a Battlecry set? Perhaps Forar? I intend to put it in as my refund amount + individual items ordered. And when Wave 2 doesn't deliver January 1, another letter to the AG on the "see, they can't hit a deadline if it was a barn and KS was two feet from it with a scattergun".

Like Meri joked, it depends on how you calculate it. I did two versions of the math in an earlier post, but a quick summary is it's either ~25% of a Battlecry ($30US) or ~45% of a Battlecry ($60US). Ironically, with PB's response to the BBB, the latter is more easily shown (using retail pricing, add the core and all the supplied expansions, and divide that by the cost of the core and all expansions included in a BC, and that's your percentage of what's been fulfilled. Subtract that from what you paid, and you have the result). I had to approximate the price on some things, but it's not hard to get a ballpark figure.

Given the price paid for shipping, they probably spent at least that, so there'll be no refund there. But every addon expansion that wasn't a BattleCry (Monster, Armored Valks, even stuff that was in the BC, but you purchased seperately) is owed in full.