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Hi Mike, so how did the whole " treat Palladium with kid gloves" thing work out for you? And back at the beginning when Palladium pulled the bait n switch and we were told we should have known Palladium was in control?
And now it's all on Ninja Division?
For the record, I don't like Ninja Division, John comes off as a smug gak, and I can absolutely believe they would leave Palladium holding the bag.
But at no point does anything excuse Palladium from being completely useless, as I believe you yourself discovered in your dealings with Wayne?
ND screwing up should have been an immediate red flag that they needed to hire a project manager with experience in miniature manufacture and design. Two years later, have they done this?

Joyboozer wrote:
Hi Mike, so how did the whole " treat Palladium with kid gloves" thing work out for you? And back at the beginning when Palladium pulled the bait n switch and we were told we should have known Palladium was in control?
And now it's all on Ninja Division?
For the record, I don't like Ninja Division, John comes off as a smug gak, and I can absolutely believe they would leave Palladium holding the bag.
But at no point does anything excuse Palladium from being completely useless, as I believe you yourself discovered in your dealings with Wayne?
ND screwing up should have been an immediate red flag that they needed to hire a project manager with experience in miniature manufacture and design. Two years later, have they done this?

You must be really confused. I never said PB was blameless. I have always said that they should have had a Project Manager and provided some oversight. This whole mess is because they did not provide oversight over ND. ND screwed up. PB should have been watching and made some bad moves and assumptions and them through their own actions have made it worse. I'd like you to point out specifically where I have said otherwise. Now what dealings I had with them were primarily with Jeff and they were for the most part good. I've had poor relations with Wayne every time. He was the main reason I decided screw it. If Jeff was still there, who knows? As to the lawsuit that people keep saying that Rick's laywer supposedly found. I would say that it is likely against Jeff, more likely than against ND because while ND screwed up, they did do the minimum required and PB's oversight or lack of likely left them with little that could be used to build any case against ND.

 Mike1975 wrote:
As to the lawsuit that people keep saying that Rick's laywer supposedly found.

never said it was a lawsuit, just that Kevin's name was on a docket with PB.

 Mike1975 wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
Hi Mike, so how did the whole " treat Palladium with kid gloves" thing work out for you? And back at the beginning when Palladium pulled the bait n switch and we were told we should have known Palladium was in control?
And now it's all on Ninja Division?
For the record, I don't like Ninja Division, John comes off as a smug gak, and I can absolutely believe they would leave Palladium holding the bag.
But at no point does anything excuse Palladium from being completely useless, as I believe you yourself discovered in your dealings with Wayne?
ND screwing up should have been an immediate red flag that they needed to hire a project manager with experience in miniature manufacture and design. Two years later, have they done this?

You must be really confused. I never said PB was blameless. I have always said that they should have had a Project Manager and provided some oversight. This whole mess is because they did not provide oversight over ND. ND screwed up. PB should have been watching and made some bad moves and assumptions and them through their own actions have made it worse. I'd like you to point out specifically where I have said otherwise. Now what dealings I had with them were primarily with Jeff and they were for the most part good. I've had poor relations with Wayne every time. He was the main reason I decided screw it. If Jeff was still there, who knows? As to the lawsuit that people keep saying that Rick's laywer supposedly found. I would say that it is likely against Jeff, more likely than against ND because while ND screwed up, they did do the minimum required and PB's oversight or lack of likely left them with little that could be used to build any case against ND.

If Jeff was still there do you think things would have been done better? There seemed to be an implication at the time he was somehow to blame.

 Mike1975 wrote:

You must be really confused. I never said PB was blameless. I have always said that they should have had a Project Manager and provided some oversight. This whole mess is because they did not provide oversight over ND. ND screwed up. PB should have been watching and made some bad moves and assumptions and them through their own actions have made it worse.

I don't know if ND screwed up. It's possible. It's also possible that PB changed the specs and files at a later date without ND's input. ND not having experience with HIPS could very well be a factor. I'll be honest and say that I really don't know anything about the internal doings of PB/ND/RRT. Only one party is talking and I don't trust them any longer.

Actually, it doesn't really matter who did or didn't screw up at this point. That's like screaming fire and calling for buckets after the barn has burned down and the embers have cooled. The game is dead and backers are extremely unlikely to get Wave 2 models.

On a tangential topic, there is a really neat video of plastic injection molding:




Maybe PB should watch it...

 n815e wrote:

Sining wrote:

Do you?
PB is definitely not the partner of HG and yet HG is on the box.
You might claim you're not a PB fan but you've pretty much defended them until recently, even with this whole trying to shift blame to ND thing.

You made a definite claim on their financial arrangement, not me. So why are you asking me if I know what it is. You stated it, back it up.
It doesn't matter if you think I'm a PB fan or not, really. When you dismiss people who have different opinions with "PB fan" or "White Knight", etc. It's actually meaningless and shows that you can't accept other people disagreeing with you on matters of opinion. Resorting to name calling, labeling and such is more of a reflection on you than me.

So PB fan is now name-calling? Oversensitive aren't you?
I'm curious why you assume the DEFAULT state for ND and PB is that they're sharing the profits. Most people would assume the opposite and somehow you think I'm the one who should back it up? I mean, you're claiming they're partners, profit-sharing based on the fact that ND has their logo on the box and instead of thinking maybe you're over-inferring, it's rather double-down and claim the burden of proof doesn't lie with you? That's just hilarious

As it is, if ND and PB were profit-sharing, you'd think ND would be more involved in the process and even PROMOTE RRT at their booths because they would get a share of the profits anyway. Logically speaking, the fact that ND is no longer even talking about RRT indicates they have no such relationship in place. How bout you think about that first before claiming they're profit-sharing or partners or whatnot?

Are we seriously meant to believe that ND didn't screw up in the past because they are doing better today?

ND may have screwed up but the majority of people proclaiming that are PB and certain PB fans, which makes thing suspect given PBs reputation for throwing people under the bus and their own incompetence. Sadly, PB poisoned their own well such that whatever they say about other people; even if it's true, can't really be taken at all at face value.
If a boss hires an employee, complains continuously about the employee and how screwed up they are, but later on, the employee leaves the business and goes on to work successfully at several other businesses while the original boss keeps screwing up, most people are going to assume the first boss was the screw-up.

Yes. Does that mean that ND, who had no experience whatsoever in designing models in this scale, did a perfect job and it is all down the Chinese manufacturer, now? Great, let's blame "the Chinese". Weren't ND supposed to be experts regarding plastic miniatures manufacture? Was it ND that chose Chinese production? Was it ND that then subsequently used incompatible software? ND is completely blameless for the problems and were professional in all manners, yet didn't bother to research some basic facts such as software compatibility? Got it.

I guess asking people to be reasonable here was asking too much. There seem to be a lot of people emotionally invested in Palladium Books and Kevin S.

Says the person who seems to be very emotionally invested in PB and Kevin.
At that point, we're not even sure if ND and PB were still together. The renders during the KS seemed fine and the greatest issue with models I've had is the sheer number of parts, which is down to the manufacturer and whatever idiot gave the final approval.


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 Krinsath wrote:

I suspect that ND did not have full experience with HIPS tooling, and thus it would be reasonable to assume (and it is an assumption) their designs would have been more in line with the PVC plastic they're used to working with. I do not recall ND doing any other HIPS projects, but that could simply be ignorance on my part. However, from watching other projects the demands of HIPS are quite hefty, especially if you do not go through the added expense of newer technologies, and if you don't have a factory with engineers willing to work with you then things can go very sideways very fast.

They haven't. But otoh, they haven't done anything largescale enough to warrant HIPs. Other than WGF and possibly the factory that mantic and PP uses, I'm not sure of any other decent HIPs manufacturer in China. I think that old west boardgame by flying frog also uses HIPs but the details were fairly soft for their models or so I've heard.

Shadows of Brimstone?

Google searching is leading me to think it is HIPS, and according to FFP they're aware that the detail didn't turn out well enough in the core boxes, so they went over their later releases to enhance the details so they wouldn't be so easily lost.

Of the follow up expansions I have, I'm quite happy with their detail, but that's going to be a subjective thing.

Joyboozer wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
Hi Mike, so how did the whole " treat Palladium with kid gloves" thing work out for you? And back at the beginning when Palladium pulled the bait n switch and we were told we should have known Palladium was in control?
And now it's all on Ninja Division?
For the record, I don't like Ninja Division, John comes off as a smug gak, and I can absolutely believe they would leave Palladium holding the bag.
But at no point does anything excuse Palladium from being completely useless, as I believe you yourself discovered in your dealings with Wayne?
ND screwing up should have been an immediate red flag that they needed to hire a project manager with experience in miniature manufacture and design. Two years later, have they done this?

You must be really confused. I never said PB was blameless. I have always said that they should have had a Project Manager and provided some oversight. This whole mess is because they did not provide oversight over ND. ND screwed up. PB should have been watching and made some bad moves and assumptions and them through their own actions have made it worse. I'd like you to point out specifically where I have said otherwise. Now what dealings I had with them were primarily with Jeff and they were for the most part good. I've had poor relations with Wayne every time. He was the main reason I decided screw it. If Jeff was still there, who knows? As to the lawsuit that people keep saying that Rick's laywer supposedly found. I would say that it is likely against Jeff, more likely than against ND because while ND screwed up, they did do the minimum required and PB's oversight or lack of likely left them with little that could be used to build any case against ND.

If Jeff was still there do you think things would have been done better? There seemed to be an implication at the time he was somehow to blame.

Jeff was much more open to listening to reasoning and changing things than anyone else. When I'd point out problems with the rules he would still want to review them with Carmen but some obvious things he'd be willing to change. OTOH others would fight to change anything whatsoever no matter what you'd say or arbitrarily change something a whole group of people discussed at length and decided upon. So if Jeff was still there I think the FAQ would have been updated much faster, changes to rules posted much faster, and more. He'd probably have not done much with the minis. I'm not sure how much control he had there. In the end I think things would not have been as bad as they are, although they would be far from rosy.

 Mike1975 wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:

 Mike1975 wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
Hi Mike, so how did the whole " treat Palladium with kid gloves" thing work out for you? And back at the beginning when Palladium pulled the bait n switch and we were told we should have known Palladium was in control?
And now it's all on Ninja Division?
For the record, I don't like Ninja Division, John comes off as a smug gak, and I can absolutely believe they would leave Palladium holding the bag.
But at no point does anything excuse Palladium from being completely useless, as I believe you yourself discovered in your dealings with Wayne?
ND screwing up should have been an immediate red flag that they needed to hire a project manager with experience in miniature manufacture and design. Two years later, have they done this?

You must be really confused. I never said PB was blameless. I have always said that they should have had a Project Manager and provided some oversight. This whole mess is because they did not provide oversight over ND. ND screwed up. PB should have been watching and made some bad moves and assumptions and them through their own actions have made it worse. I'd like you to point out specifically where I have said otherwise. Now what dealings I had with them were primarily with Jeff and they were for the most part good. I've had poor relations with Wayne every time. He was the main reason I decided screw it. If Jeff was still there, who knows? As to the lawsuit that people keep saying that Rick's laywer supposedly found. I would say that it is likely against Jeff, more likely than against ND because while ND screwed up, they did do the minimum required and PB's oversight or lack of likely left them with little that could be used to build any case against ND.

If Jeff was still there do you think things would have been done better? There seemed to be an implication at the time he was somehow to blame.

Jeff was much more open to listening to reasoning and changing things than anyone else. When I'd point out problems with the rules he would still want to review them with Carmen but some obvious things he'd be willing to change. OTOH others would fight to change anything whatsoever no matter what you'd say or arbitrarily change something a whole group of people discussed at length and decided upon. So if Jeff was still there I think the FAQ would have been updated much faster, changes to rules posted much faster, and more. He'd probably have not done much with the minis. I'm not sure how much control he had there. In the end I think things would not have been as bad as they are, although they would be far from rosy.

I hope the fact he was willing to listen to the fans wasn't part of the reason he's no longer employed there.

 Mike1975 wrote:

Joyboozer wrote:
Hi Mike, so how did the whole " treat Palladium with kid gloves" thing work out for you? And back at the beginning when Palladium pulled the bait n switch and we were told we should have known Palladium was in control?
And now it's all on Ninja Division?
For the record, I don't like Ninja Division, John comes off as a smug gak, and I can absolutely believe they would leave Palladium holding the bag.
But at no point does anything excuse Palladium from being completely useless, as I believe you yourself discovered in your dealings with Wayne?
ND screwing up should have been an immediate red flag that they needed to hire a project manager with experience in miniature manufacture and design. Two years later, have they done this?

You must be really confused. I never said PB was blameless. I have always said that they should have had a Project Manager and provided some oversight. This whole mess is because they did not provide oversight over ND. ND screwed up. PB should have been watching and made some bad moves and assumptions and them through their own actions have made it worse. I'd like you to point out specifically where I have said otherwise. Now what dealings I had with them were primarily with Jeff and they were for the most part good. I've had poor relations with Wayne every time. He was the main reason I decided screw it. If Jeff was still there, who knows? As to the lawsuit that people keep saying that Rick's laywer supposedly found. I would say that it is likely against Jeff, more likely than against ND because while ND screwed up, they did do the minimum required and PB's oversight or lack of likely left them with little that could be used to build any case against ND.

"ND screwed up" - is this from speculation, ND's posts or discussions with PB? Though with the latter, I'd still be suspicious.

ND certainly did get overzealous with the offerings during the campaign, but I suspect they had approval from PB, and certainly in the end PB's on the hook for their own awful follow-through. In the end, PB has firmly dug their own grave - and continues to dig while ND certainly got out before the hole was even waist deep.

The offerings weren't actually that great, going back to the goals, check out how padded they were, unlocking sprue additions.

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So once again, the 'backer & convention "Exclusives" are up for ANYONE to buy.

PB breaks that promise again - and it has happened so many times, are any of us surprised?










Thought not.

I was surprised he hasn't trademarked exclusive, his meaning of it seems to be unique.

Of the released models are the only units not covered in the base box the Spartan/Phallanx and Artillery pods? Given the model count of the base box and the price it seems one would be better off buying several copies to bulk out their forces and skip any of the individual boxes save for the ones that aren't featured.

Say I wanted a pair of Valk wings, it's only $10 more to get the base box and get a crapload of extra models (as well as 1 extra valk)

It's almost enough to tempt me to rebuy a box, as I sold my KS pledge right after it shipped. Sadly it'd mean giving Palladium more money and I just finally got the aftertaste of that experience out of my mouth from the first time. Anyone else want another chocolate covered pretzel?



Also weren't the battlefoam bags supposed to be a KS exclusive item?

This is probably just nitpicky of me but those numbers look strange.

$20.32 ? $18.12 ?

That is an odd set of numbers visually to be pricing something.

No mention of their shipping pricing which you know will be out of this world. I wonder what the other retail people are selling them at... going to look.

 Conrad Turner wrote:
So once again, the 'backer & convention "Exclusives" are up for ANYONE to buy.

PB breaks that promise again - and it has happened so many times, are any of us surprised? Thought not.

I also like the fact that the three models that have been available for purchase for almost six months, and were as you mentioned, literally available 9 weeks ago, are being advertised as "new".


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 FacelessMage wrote:
This is probably just nitpicky of me but those numbers look strange.

$20.32 ? $18.12 ?

That is an odd set of numbers visually to be pricing something.

No, it's PB being incredibly specific. They offered 45% off their core box. So they just put the current MSRP's in the calculator, multiplied by 55%, and then put those as the "sale price".

Technically, they should be $18.12 and 1/4 of a cent, and $20.32 and 1/4 of a cent respectively, but couldn't figure out how to charge for a fraction of a cent. So, when you think about it, if you buy 400 expansion packs, you'll sneakily be saving a dollar more than you should have! What a bargain! Kevin "CMOT Dibbler" Siembieda in action.

Though as Talizvar suggested, they'll probably more than tack it on to shipping.


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 stanman wrote:
Of the released models are the only units not covered in the base box the Spartan/Phallanx and Artillery pods?

Also weren't the battlefoam bags supposed to be a KS exclusive item?

Yep, Spar/Phal and Arty Pods came in the BC expansion stuff, but are not included in the retail box.

And I believe the battlefoam bags were "limited", but not exclusive. They did a print run for backer demand, plus some more, but didn't intend to keep them as a generally stocked item. There was mention early that if demand was sufficient, they might produce an additional run, but given how slowly they seemed to move, I doubt that'll ever happen. But then again, the same could be said for everything else. Given how sluggish sales of RRT appears to be going in general (admittedly speculative), I'm not sure they'll do another run of the core boxes, let alone the expansion boxes. They still appear to be selling stock from the stuff they imported over a year ago, with no mention of having to restock. Which you know would have been met with fanfare "Sales© have been going great®! So much so, that we had to reorder more product™ from the supplier because our original product™ SOLD OUT!".

 stanman wrote:
Say I wanted a pair of Valk wings, it's only $10 more to get the base box and get a crapload of extra models (as well as 1 extra valk)

Yeah, anyone looking for at least 2-3 expansions of figures that are found in the core box is generally better off just getting another core box for roughly the same price.

I would be shocked if this wasn't the reason that Spartan/Phalanx and Artillery Pods were the only expansions that are below "20+" stock on CSI: they're the only ones worth buying alone, unless one really wants Riflemen/Warhammers for Battletech or something.

Robotech remains at ~35% off as of this post, but I'd keep watching there for a potential drop to 50% off like last year.

Hell, wouldn't surprise me at all if the expansions found in the cores were discounted even more steeply to clear out stock on things that don't seem to be selling as well.

Joyboozer wrote:
I was surprised he hasn't trademarked exclusive, his meaning of it seems to be unique.

I think it's enough that he's synonymous the concept of breaking promises.

While it is true that we have other obligations we must also address, and we are not focused on Robotech® RPG Tactics™ every minute of every day, that doesn’t mean we’re not working on RRT! It is constantly on our minds and IS a top priority.

That's reassuring. I was worried that they weren't considering the importance of the project but it's good to know that we're still a top priority right up there with embroidered glitterboy jackets and dice bags.

We look forward to putting Wave Two in your hands next year, and giving you the next generations of Robotech® mecha and adventures.

Yay! Robotech Wave Two in our hands next year! Just like it was supposed to be in our hands this year! Or last year! Or the year before that! But I'm sure THIS time they mean it, right guys? I'd point out that they just stealth extended Q2 2016 unofficially but they'll consider it officially when convienent to all of 2016.

1: wonder if Kevin realizes if he keeps selling Convention exclusives online to anyone hardly anybody will buy them from their booth?

2: Notice Kevin never said they are working on RRT only that its on their minds, they are thinking things like "How long can we screw over the backers before the law comes down?", "Will we be able to file a Bankruptcy that will protect us from the backers?", "Will Rick Continue to organize the backers against us?" (they actually said I was the mastermind behind everything against them, me thinks they give me way to much credit, not mastermind, just outspoken), "Who can we blame now for this disaster and not putting out wave 2?"

 warboss wrote:
Yay! Robotech Wave Two in our hands next year! Just like it was supposed to be in our hands this year! Or last year! Or the year before that! But I'm sure THIS time they mean it, right guys? I'd point out that they just stealth extended Q2 2016 unofficially but they'll consider it officially when convienent to all of 2016.

Yup.Just in case there's any doubt,

Initial date for full completion, "Kickstarter Front Page", December 2013.
First established estimate date "First PBWU after campaign end", December 2013, maybe sooner.
Revised date "Split Wave Announcement" October 2014, maybe sooner.
Re-revised date "Big History of Everything" End of 2015, maybe sooner.

And yeah, the stealth extension isn't surprising. Like at all. Imagine my lack of "shocked face".

In all seriousness, I fully expect the only date they actually care about is Gencon 2016 for their own profits and I fully expect them to throw backers first! promises under the bus yet again just like in 2014 if it helps make tbat date. That said, I suspect the big "relaunch" will land like a wet wad of toilet paper supported only by stuff that was supposed to be free this past summer, that they'll miss the q2 window as well as gencon for wave two, and that we'll all be cracking jokes in 12 months about 2016 grab bags taking priority again over 3 year delayed robotech rewards.

Agreed. Gencon and Black Friday seem to be the only things they care about. It's sensible from a business perspective, but it becomes a "don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining" thing after this kind of an ongoing running gag.

It makes me read their commentary in a Christian Bale voice. "Oh you are SO DETERMINED to deliver to us by mid 2016? GOOD FOR YOU! There's no fething way that's related to how conveniently located Q2 is to Gencon? And if that slips why not just wait it out a few more months FOR THE GOOD OF EVERYONE and get that sweet Black Friday rush of sales? Gotta get those boxes into the hands of people that matter; distributors and retailers!"

The only appropriate celebrity douche response would be a Shia Lebouf "Just do it!" in that case.

I forgot to mention that the buddy of mine that went to Adepticon last year and broke the news of the Nov date to me and dakka when I posted it said there were no Robotech events on the Adepticon prereg list. I haven't double checked it (on mobile device) but if true then I expect last minute urgent calls for MA gm's and tourney organizers in a few months when Palladium gets around to thinking about it for the "relaunch".

Anybody else remember the super important Kevin project, of redoing Mechanoid. As Kevin said back then, it was the RPG that started it all so it is important to him to make sure it done. Only 20ish years and waiting.

Wait wait wait. It's all Ninja Division's fault now for writing the rules, making the models, and fulfilling the contract they made with PB? Ah, OK. But now it's all PB's fault, for what now? The delays and chronic mismanagement of the entire project? I'm so confused...

And I really love the update by Cypher-xv that attempts to explain the misunderstanding that some of us here have based on comments he has made in the last few updates. I mean, wow. I guess I misunderstood that Wave 2 has been pushed back again, but for good reasons that PB is unwilling to share with us. Really, I can get behind the fact that the staff at PB (like what, all three of them?) are talking about it, going over plans, and exploring options. I mean, I would have thought that was done like, oh I dunno, TWO OR THREE YEARS AGO.

But hey! They are talking about it! They are going over plans! And most importantly, exploring options (like Bankruptcy maybe? Sorry, I couldn't resist).

Of course, the obligatory "Buy Our Stuff on Black Friday Sale!" was just icing on the cake of Cleared Up Misunderstandings we all have. I'm still not sure what those misunderstanding are. The fact that Wave 1 did NOT have everything promised in the Kickstarter? That here we are, like two years later and still no Wave 2? That all the Kickstarter exclusives are now available to anyone (as long as it's Wave 1...)? That Wave 2 has been pushed back AGAIN? But oh, hey! In the meantime, play this train wreck of a game? Yeah, all you have to do is play a couple games and see this game plays NOTHING like the anime.

I don't even remember what I'm supposed to get in Wave 2. I wouldn't be surprised if most of the other backers didn't know either. I bet sometime in late 2017 I'm going to get some purple dice, and a patch and be told "Thanks for supporting the Robotech Tactics Kickstarter! Your Wave 2 order is now complete. Be sure to purchase more PB stuff!" But hey! I'll probably have forgotten all about Robotech Tactics by then, and I'm sure PB wouldn't mind.

 Stormonu wrote:

ND certainly did get overzealous with the offerings during the campaign, but I suspect they had approval from PB, and certainly in the end PB's on the hook for their own awful follow-through. In the end, PB has firmly dug their own grave - and continues to dig while ND certainly got out before the hole was even waist deep.

Can you imagine if they didn't? Jesus Christ, I can only imagine...

If PB actually gave ND free reign to add whatever they felt like, with no checks or balances (or input) they're even dumber than I thought possible. And I'm pretty sure that level of stupid is actually impossible with a human being with an actual functional brain stem.


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 FacelessMage wrote:
This is probably just nitpicky of me but those numbers look strange.

$20.32 ? $18.12 ?

That is an odd set of numbers visually to be pricing something.

My first thought is that they were Canadian and Kevin busted out the ol' adding machine (with extra big crank!) to work out the prices in $US. But nope.

That is bizarre. Of course, so is the definition of "NEW".


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 warboss wrote:
The only appropriate celebrity douche response would be a Shia Lebouf "Just do it!" in that case.

I forgot to mention that the buddy of mine that went to Adepticon last year and broke the news of the Nov date to me and dakka when I posted it said there were no Robotech events on the Adepticon prereg list. I haven't double checked it (on mobile device) but if true then I expect last minute urgent calls for MA gm's and tourney organizers in a few months when Palladium gets around to thinking about it for the "relaunch".

VALKYRIES ARE FOR CLOSERS!

If Kevco is hoping for a magical file of sales, he'll be lucky to get the steak knives.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
If Kevco is hoping for a magical file of sales, he'll be lucky to get the steak knives.

As far as I'm concerned they got third prize: Fired.