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darkminstrel wrote:

Any other PNWers in here gonna give me an a'men?

I'm in Salem. Fortunately, I'm also at the top of a hill (more or less) so if I'm flooding, it'll be because a few tens of thousands of people are already under water.

@darkminstrel - I feel for you, hope everything turns out okay.

It does remind me, though, of something that happened back in '05 when Katrina came through our area. Luckily for our house, we only lost power for a week, and my parents had to stay with us until we could repair their house. God, was it hot, no job to go to (my workplace was out of power as well), no gas to go anywhere and the stories of nearby lootings & shootings had me up at night with a weapon at hand during the time.

In all the confusion & stress in those days after Katrina, my subscription to Dungeon magazine failed to show up (our mail came from the New Orleans hub...). When we finally got power back and things started settling back down, I sent a short e-mail to Paizo, requesting a replacement; I was even willing to pay for the copy if need be.

Plop. Three days later, a package shows up on my doorstep. Not only does it contain a (signed) replacement, but there's like $300 in RPGs as a "care package" to replace anything else I might have lost. I about wept at the thought of them doing that without prompting. THAT is customer service.

I cannot fathom Palladium ever doing near something as noble as that, and that they can't even be bothered to deliver things I paid for over two years ago is an absolute insult.

@darkminstrel - whoa, glad you guys are OK.

@Dark Minstrel: Best wishes and a speedy area recovery!

@Dark Minstrel.

Amen.

Sorry to hear what's been happening, godspeed on getting things repaired or replaced.

darkminstrel: amen.

Seriously Darkminstrel.

I am glad you and your family are ok.

Sorry to hear that Darkminstrel. I'm in Everett and know what kind of rain we've been getting. I'm glad your family is OK.

In other news my wife was just laid off. I am thinking of selling all my Robotech stuff (maybe Dreadball too) and filing with the WA AG. Still processing it all.

Hey, guys, thank you for the well wishes. We were lucky due to many factors and I can now walk outside without swimming. Living rural means you have to prepare for this sort of thing and I was ahead of the flood by many, many hours. We ate hot food, had light, a warm fire, and we even played some SW:A by candle-light. It's clean up time though since the waters brought upriver trash by the truck load, but we are safe and have reliable power and running water. Almost back to normal.

Here, have some pics that were taken a couple hours before the high point of the crest.

http://imgur.com/a/DYOcO

Now back to complaining about the important wave

ahh lake front property.

darkminstrel wrote:
Hey, guys, thank you for the well wishes. We were lucky due to many factors and I can now walk outside without swimming. Living rural means you have to prepare for this sort of thing and I was ahead of the flood by many, many hours. We ate hot food, had light, a warm fire, and we even played some SW:A by candle-light. It's clean up time though since the waters brought upriver trash by the truck load, but we are safe and have reliable power and running water. Almost back to normal.

Here, have some pics that were taken a couple hours before the high point of the crest.

http://imgur.com/a/DYOcO

Now back to complaining about the important wave

Bloody hell. Stay well, man O_O

In other news, I asked for and received via paypal a refund for the Mekton Zero KS, which was another one that has been... not exactly well managed. So that leaves this one ^_^

On a slightly different, but related note, did the bones CAV figures ever get delivered? If so, are they any good - no floppy/bent weapons and such?

new update:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/1442004?ref=dash

A Quick Note from Kevin

Hi, everyone. I just wanted to let you know you are far from forgotten. Things are moving on Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave Two, as we explore a number of different possibilities. For a variety of business reasons we cannot yet discuss or reveal exactly what we are looking into and considering. For one, if some of the things we are exploring don’t pan out, we don’t want you to be disappointed. And it seems like every little while, the things we are considering doing get changed for one reason or another.

I can tell you, we want to make sure the rest of the Kickstarter items and future Robotech® RPG Tactics™ product are something special and the best they can be, especially after the long delays in getting Wave Two into your hands. We are examining many different possibilities, but until we nail down the final details, we can’t say much yet. We’ll try to provide some more insight on this next week. But we are exploring many things we know you will enjoy. This includes a number of ideas for the relaunch of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ next year when Wave Two comes out.

He's not even trying anymore, is he?

was he ever trying? heck its at the point he has a whole new set of people getting pissed off at him now.

 Stormonu wrote:
On a slightly different, but related note, did the bones CAV figures ever get delivered? If so, are they any good - no floppy/bent weapons and such?

Not as of yet. They're apparently very close to shipping. Weeks, months maybe. Unlikely to be quarters.

On an ON topic note, PB did a Kickstarter Update after literally nine weeks to say "Yup, updating to say we can't talk about anything."

A Quick Note from Kevin

Hi, everyone. I just wanted to let you know you are far from forgotten. Things are moving on Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave Two, as we explore a number of different possibilities. For a variety of business reasons we cannot yet discuss or reveal exactly what we are looking into and considering. For one, if some of the things we are exploring don’t pan out, we don’t want you to be disappointed. And it seems like every little while, the things we are considering doing get changed for one reason or another.

I can tell you, we want to make sure the rest of the Kickstarter items and future Robotech® RPG Tactics™ product are something special and the best they can be, especially after the long delays in getting Wave Two into your hands. We are examining many different possibilities, but until we nail down the final details, we can’t say much yet. We’ll try to provide some more insight on this next week. But we are exploring many things we know you will enjoy. This includes a number of ideas for the relaunch of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ next year when Wave Two comes out.

That's it. That's all they have to show for the last 9 weeks. Exclude the FAQ and the advertising of cardboard cutouts for stuff people already have, and the last INFORMATIVE update was 15 weeks ago. And even that wasn't that informative. But it does give them the capacity to respond to BBB/AG requests with "well, we updated them on December 12th!". Cause that's the only reason for publishing this non-event.

There's several people that 'liked' this update as of this writing. Either these people are looking at this as performance art, or are related to PB staff. Because otherwise I can't explain it.

If there ever was a company that needs to lose a license more than 20th Century Fox it's this one.

Thank you, thank you, hold your applause please!

After writing the Kickstarter powers-that-be earlier today and asking them if PB was in breach of TOS for not posting any updates on the project page we have received....A NEW NON-UPDATE! wooo!

Hold up! In the email response from KS that I got it was stated that:

"While we're disheartened that they have not yet updated backers on the status of their project, we're unable to force them to do so — it's the creator's responsibility to communicate and complete the project as promised."

Is communication with backers not a part of the TOS?

Y'know, call me an optimist, but....

Assuming PB is actually "working" to get Wave 2 out, I'm getting the sneaking suspicion that they may be changing manufacturers.

Which may not be a great thing to do, depending on contract, and technicals like whether the dies from Wave 1 can work with the equipment that the potentially new manufacturer has.

It may work out in the long run but well in the first place I'm not sure there is a long run for this game.

And no, I'm not buying the "nothing we can update on legally" crap. A lot of other KS goes through the same process and they update on stuff. More updated CAD, test shots, painted prototype, that kind of thing.

MM Daily Deal: http://www.miniaturemarket.com/dailynews

ROBOTECH RPG TACTICS: ZENTRAEDI - GLAUG COMMAND (3)
NOW ONLY $15.00

Hang in there, dark!

..And they try and drop a "time-out" non-update on the kickstarter.

Last straw from me, so I went ahead and filed with the FTC.

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"Palladium Books funded a Kickstarter campaign called Robotech RPG Tactics that completed on May 20th, 2013, garnering in excess of $1,442,312. At that time, they claimed they were "98% done" with an estimated delivery date of December 2013. As time passed, that delivery date continued to slip until they decided to break delivery into two waves. Wave 1, which comprised 59.62% of the base items (less add-ons) was delivered on Oct 9, 2014. The last significant (partial) progress report on Wave 2 work was Feb 28th, 2015. Since that time, despite promises to keep us informed, Palladium has refused to update its backers on the progress of the Kickstarter, using phrases such as "we cannot yet discuss or reveal exactly what we are looking into and considering" ("A Quick Note from Kevin" RRT update on Kickstarter.com, Dec 11, 2015) or vague references to phone calls with no details of what was discussed (Palladium Books Weekly Newsletter, Oct 30, 2015). As time has progressed beyond the delivery of Wave 1, Palladium Books has continued to move back their estimated shipping date, with the latest estimate being Quarter 2 of 2016. As per FTC regulations Title 16 → Chapter I → Subchapter D → Part 435 §435.2 Mail, Internet, or telephone order sales, I have rejected any delivery date beyond December 31, 2015 and have requested a refund of the remaining portion of the unfulfilled kickstarter, which I have estimated at $166.51 (40.37% of the base pledge, plus $110 in specific add-ons). I have recieved no response from Palladium books on this request and have previously been told that they will not issue refunds."


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I also get the impression the "battle cry" has gone out on the FotM for the fans of Palladium to throw their support onto the latest KS non-update page to shout down the "filthy haterz".

 Stormonu wrote:
..And they try and drop a "time-out" non-update on the kickstarter.

Last straw from me, so I went ahead and filed with the FTC.

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"Palladium Books funded a Kickstarter campaign called Robotech RPG Tactics that completed on May 20th, 2013, garnering in excess of $1,442,312. At that time, they claimed they were "98% done" with an estimated delivery date of December 2013. As time passed, that delivery date continued to slip until they decided to break delivery into two waves. Wave 1, which comprised 59.62% of the base items (less add-ons) was delivered on Oct 9, 2014. The last significant (partial) progress report on Wave 2 work was Feb 28th, 2015. Since that time, despite promises to keep us informed, Palladium has refused to update its backers on the progress of the Kickstarter, using phrases such as "we cannot yet discuss or reveal exactly what we are looking into and considering" ("A Quick Note from Kevin" RRT update on Kickstarter.com, Dec 11, 2015) or vague references to phone calls with no details of what was discussed (Palladium Books Weekly Newsletter, Oct 30, 2015). As time has progressed beyond the delivery of Wave 1, Palladium Books has continued to move back their estimated shipping date, with the latest estimate being Quarter 2 of 2016. As per FTC regulations Title 16 → Chapter I → Subchapter D → Part 435 §435.2 Mail, Internet, or telephone order sales, I have rejected any delivery date beyond December 31, 2015 and have requested a refund of the remaining portion of the unfulfilled kickstarter, which I have estimated at $166.51 (40.37% of the base pledge, plus $110 in specific add-ons). I have recieved no response from Palladium books on this request and have previously been told that they will not issue refunds."


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I also get the impression the "battle cry" has gone out on the FotM for the fans of Palladium to throw their support onto the latest KS non-update page to shout down the "filthy haterz".

The update that covers the End of Year date you are using is Update 176, May 24rd.
"Our focus for the next few months is going to be heavily on Robotech® RPG Tactics™. We want to see RRT Wave Two released by the end of the year, but we have a number of other things coming sooner that we think will please our Robotech® Kickstarter backers and all our supporters very much. Things that are being made here in the US and will not take much time away from our energy to get Wave Two into your hands."

Sure, it's not a firm date, but it specifies a commitment to do so, as well as a commitment to focus on doing so. If that's an issue for anyone, you can always resort to the date in Update 128, January 31 2014, where they were much less vague. The only vagueness in the statement is whether it can ship early or not, the rest is pretty definitive.
"WAVE TWO Kickstarter Fullfillment – Fall, 2014 – The balance of ALL the remaining Kickstarter items should ship by October
The Kickstarter exclusives and EVERYTHING else that was part of the Kickstarter will ship in the Fall, probably September or October. We actually hope to ship much sooner, but we can NOT promise that. Obviously, we would love to have ALL the remaining Wave Two product in time for Gen Con Indy ourselves, and that is what we are working toward, but that seems quite unlikely. After Wave Two items have been sent to Kickstarter supporters, we will ship the next wave of retail products to distributors."

So if they won't accept December 2015, have them beholden to Fall 2014. Which if Google is right, was December 20th, 2014.

 Stormonu wrote:

I also get the impression the "battle cry" has gone out on the FotM for the fans of Palladium to throw their support onto the latest KS non-update page to shout down the "filthy haterz".

They got an uphill battle on that one, the latest update has brought out a whole new line of Haterz of PB, also don't forget to file with the Michigan AG don't just bring the pain to PB, pile it on and drown them in it.

Asterios wrote:

 Stormonu wrote:

I also get the impression the "battle cry" has gone out on the FotM for the fans of Palladium to throw their support onto the latest KS non-update page to shout down the "filthy haterz".

They got an uphill battle on that one, the latest update has brought out a whole new line of Haterz of PB, also don't forget to file with the Michigan AG don't just bring the pain to PB, pile it on and drown them in it.

Living in France, how do I do that ?

BBB:
info:
http://www.bbb.org/detroit/business-reviews/books-new/palladium-books-inc-in-westland-mi-13022151
Michigan AG:
http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,4534,7-164-17331---,00.html
FTC:
https://www.ftc.gov/faq/consumer-protection/submit-consumer-complaint-ftc
then file here:
https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/#crnt&panel1-1

This could be the earthquake that precipitates the Legal Tsunami (r) (TM) (C)!!!

Anything we do will just be little waves gently lapping the shore after Rick's Tsunami hits Palladium as promised in a few weeks.

Rick has publicly given Palladium (and every backer) hundreds of warnings over the last year and a half to potentially avoid this to no avail. Hundreds of warnings with no action (on the part of palladium)! I suspect he and his pro bono legal team have been working hard behind the scenes on his legal onslaught. For obvious reasons, he can't discuss the legal groundwork in detail but I suspect that he has been exploring various avenues that he can't discuss in case they don't work out. We just need to have faith in his ideal filing date of very early Q1 2016 and await the results.


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Asterios wrote:
new update:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rrpgt/robotech-rpg-tacticstm/posts/1442004?ref=dash

A Quick Note from Kevin

Hi, everyone. I just wanted to let you know you are far from forgotten. Things are moving on Robotech® RPG Tactics™ Wave Two, as we explore a number of different possibilities. For a variety of business reasons we cannot yet discuss or reveal exactly what we are looking into and considering. For one, if some of the things we are exploring don’t pan out, we don’t want you to be disappointed. And it seems like every little while, the things we are considering doing get changed for one reason or another.

I can tell you, we want to make sure the rest of the Kickstarter items and future Robotech® RPG Tactics™ product are something special and the best they can be, especially after the long delays in getting Wave Two into your hands. We are examining many different possibilities, but until we nail down the final details, we can’t say much yet. We’ll try to provide some more insight on this next week. But we are exploring many things we know you will enjoy. This includes a number of ideas for the relaunch of Robotech® RPG Tactics™ next year when Wave Two comes out.

Joy! More vauge promises of progress (that they won't show) and references to work (that they won't discuss) followed up with the future wishy washy "try" to post something meaningful at a future date. So.. basically the same thing we've gotten since February (the last REAL update about wave 2 rewards). In the past 10 months since that last real pertinent and useful (at the time.. obviously a pile of crap retroactively) update, the release date has pushed back 16 months. Progress... Palladium styleTM!

Wow.

Really aiming for the stars on that one. Mostly a rearranged copy/paste from the Nov 20th weekly newsletter, at least assuming Marnie Jefferson's analysis on their FB page is accurate.

"But we are exploring many things we know you will enjoy."

No. Bad. Stop telling us how we're going to feel about things. We're all adults here, and are happy to give our opinions, as we would if you'd fething show us any indication you're not just wasting our time.

It's a small nitpick, admittedly, but I've been noticing this about Kevin for years now, and it remains an annoying writing tick/mental need of his to TELL people how they feel or are going to feel about things.

This is a recent post by Jeff NMI Ruiz. on another kickstarter.

I agree with the Roach here. Some sort of semi-regularly posting schedule would be nice. "Here is a sample art piece for this" "Here is sample NPC" "Received some new art and stuff" "etc....

Oct 2 2015 on #10: from the project The Daring Comics RPG (Powered by FATE)

Oh, the irony.

 warboss wrote:
Anything we do will just be little waves gently lapping the shore after Rick's Tsunami hits Palladium as promised in a few weeks.

Rick has publicly given Palladium (and every backer) hundreds of warnings over the last year and a half to potentially avoid this to no avail. Hundreds of warnings with no action (on the part of palladium)! I suspect he and his pro bono legal team have been working hard behind the scenes on his legal onslaught. For obvious reasons, he can't discuss the legal groundwork in detail but I suspect that he has been exploring various avenues that he can't discuss in case they don't work out. We just need to have faith in his ideal filing date of very early Q1 2016 and await the results.

Good point.

I cannot wait for this Legal Tsunami to land on PB's doorstep - EARLY January 2016!