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 warboss wrote:
He can file on January 2nd as he's had over a year and a half to prepare while threatening palladium (while annoying backers). Now, I don't expect him to file on January 2nd but I do think that the month of January is more than enough time to put up or shut up given the multiyear history of his constant rhetoric (2014,2015, and potentially 2016).

obviously you are not aware of the US legal system if you think I can file on the 2nd. of January.

furthermore obviously you don't read most of what I said or you would realize this suit is rather new, the previous talk of a suit was if PB sold at GenCon before they delivered my order.

but then again you like to play ignorant and think you are knocking people down without realizing you are looking the fool for doing so.

Also you do realize the most I can do is say I filed, right? since once the paperwork is filed my attorney told me not too mention it.

I'm fully aware of your moving the goal posts, Rick Steinbieda. And, yes, I know you shouldn't talk about this project if you file.. but.. I'm not sure you can hold in all RRPGT talk for all of 2016 until the resolution. I expect the onion layers of deceit to unravel as your legal vengeance is enacted and your dish is quite cold!

All it takes to shut me up, Rick, is admitting that you've been bluffing/exaggerating all this time and apologizing instead of rolling that lawsuit filing date back from EOY 2015 to Q1 or Q2 Palladium style. I already said I'll be the bigger man if proven wrong and apologize. In the interests of not derailing this thread, I won't prod you further on this subject this year. Consider it a Hanukhah gift.

Pro bono isn't free. It simply means that the hourly labor is waived. But that kind of "free" usually doesn't extend to fees, expenses and other costs.

And again, you need to stop with the dates (i.e. Jan. 2).

Finally, if he's actually trolling, then why are you constantly feeding him?

I'm sure if we take your prods out, his post volume is incidental.

You assume I'm talking primarily about Dakka and you're assuming wrong; he is probably the most frequent total poster on the kickstarter comments by a wide margin. I'm also fully aware of the other costs which is why I said it helps take alot of the sting out of the costs instead of saying it was free.

 warboss wrote:
You assume I'm talking primarily about Dakka and you're assuming wrong; he is probably the most frequent total poster on the kickstarter comments by a wide margin. I'm also fully aware of the other costs which is why I said it helps take alot of the sting out of the costs instead of saying it was free.

No, that'd be Jorel, and by a wide margin, I think. But Rick would be an unambiguous second.

That would surprise me but I haven't admittedly looked really in many months. Jorel would bicker with Jaymz in spurts but also not post for a while as well.

Let's make even a cursory glance over Rick's Dakka history searching merely for the word Destroy.

Asterios wrote:
as to the litigation part its not to get my money but to destroy PB for destroying my dream for a Robotech table top miniatures game.

Pretty clear; this isn't about $120, it's about vengeance. Or justice. Whatever sounds less stupid.

Asterios wrote:
also for those of you who keep mentioning lawsuits and such, your still missing the big point, the lawsuits are nothing the BBB complaints are nothing, the thing that will destroy PB and utterly destroy them is the AG's and if PB does nothing soon they will be destroyed soon, once the AG's been called in they can't be called off by any backer, even when that order against that one kickstarter came in against it by a CPA violation brought in from an AG, the Pledges were being delivered and the courts still found them guilty. and fined. I look at all those whiners on the PB forums and think they are whining to the wrong people, they need to whine to PB cause the AG will not listen to them and I have no say in stopping the AG's now. all I can do is supply the information they request.

you want to keep PB safe you better start whining at PB and Kevin to get off his ass and do something, cause once the ball gets rolling with the various AG's they will not stop until they got their blood.

Though admittedly there's precedent for the Tournament Edition Hyper Legal Tsunami Championship Mode Assault to merely be about injuring PB (to the tune of $120 or the start of backer refunds or just kicking off a shot at some dough before the AG swoops in like a Legal Avenging Angel to annihilate them in a wall of paperwork and fines).

Asterios wrote:

We care about you, Robotech® RPG Tactics™ and its future. Anyone who says otherwise is mistaken or has an agenda to destroy this game, see the Kickstarter fail or take down Palladium Books. That last part may sound ridiculous, and in fact it IS ridiculous, but it’s true.

who does he think he is God? by the time me and other backers are done he will be lucky if he can borrow a dime

Awfully strong words right there. Granted, this invokes The Other Backers, whom we've also established (recently and prior) as Not Being Necessarily Trustworthy.

Asterios wrote:
as it goes you have friends to play the game with whoopdedoo, have fun, not stopping you, my only plan is to destroy PB.

Ah, now we're back to it! MONEY FOR THE MONEY GOD, SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE, BEHOLD MY BOUNTY AND WEEP AS I FORCE A KEVACUATION UPON THEM!

Asterios wrote:
you went after me, you went after me for the mere fact I want to destroy your precious PB

And now we're back to Reaper mode. "THEY EXIST BECAUSE I ALLOW IT... AND HAVE NOT YET FILED THE PAPERWORK, THEY WILL GO BANKRUPT BECAUSE I DEMAND IT."

Which works even better for the Mass Effect fans out there. "Ah yes, 'lawsuits', the killing blow upon Palladium that has been allegedly hovering over them for years now. We have dismissed that claim."

And more recently it's been 'oh I won't crush them, merely wound them, it will be upon others to bloody their blades to inflict enough damage'.

Count me with Warboss on this. If it goes through and Rick gets paid out, kudos. However, it's not just here, but thousands upon thousands of comments on the KS, droning on incessantly about the looming Attorneypocalypse, the Litigationgeddon that was merely months away based on them not acting *explicitly* as they were told, be it sales at Gencon or not having at least a reasonable plan for the end of the year or whatever. Rick has been going on like Liam Neeson for a good 2 years now, about his special set of skills and how he's a monster waiting to pounce. Any argument about legal pursuit being frivolous or folly or simply a waste of time have been met endlessly by how right and just and successful his will be.

So yeah, I can kind of understand the humour value draining away. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure the first step of litigation is like Fight Club: SHUT THE FETH UP ABOUT THE LITIGATION. Filing with the BBB and AG and FTC and whoever seems like some damned fine paper trail building, but I can't believe for a second that any lawyer willing to do pro-bono work would also be down with their client having a over six thousand comments for the opposition to prune through for choice (in and out of context) statements to weaken their stance. Plus however many are on here, of course.

So perhaps it won't literally be the start of the year, maybe not even January itself, but if he can't file in a reasonable timeframe or give a fething good reason for a delay longer than a couple of weeks or perhaps even months, I think it'd be marvelous if at the very least Rick shut the feth up about it. Forever. Either gak or get off the pot, but stop wasting everyone's time with hundreds and thousands of posts about the quality of the pot and the massiveness of his stopped colon and how when he unleashes it everyone within miles will know and rend their clothes in sheer terror.

It's over. We've been through it. Anyone who sues, good luck to them, but how about we start 2016 off right and put an end to a running gag that is officially no longer funny?

Edit: I agree that I think Jorel might give him a run for his money, but for context; between the entire comment run on the KS (main section and updates included), there's (at a glance) around 115-120k comments. Rick has 6,120 of those. Meaning roughly 1 in 20 comments on the ENTIRE KS is his.

Jorel's at 8,101 comments, but he has also backed 36 more campaigns than Rick (who has 1 on that account), so surely hundreds or more of those are spread across others. Hell, I have 7,428, but that's across 57 campaigns, some of which were quite active but I'll state up front that RRT has been by far my most active. Hell, if you pruned the three of us and anyone responding to/interacting with us, we'd probably chop a good 10-20% off the KS comments easily.

OK, I don't follow the KS comments (for obvious reasons). I do think there's more legal talk than there should be.

 warboss wrote:
I'm fully aware of your moving the goal posts, Rick Steinbieda. And, yes, I know you shouldn't talk about this project if you file.. but.. I'm not sure you can hold in all RRPGT talk for all of 2016 until the resolution. I expect the onion layers of deceit to unravel as your legal vengeance is enacted and your dish is quite cold!

All it takes to shut me up, Rick, is admitting that you've been bluffing/exaggerating all this time and apologizing instead of rolling that lawsuit filing date back from EOY 2015 to Q1 or Q2 Palladium style. I already said I'll be the bigger man if proven wrong and apologize. In the interests of not derailing this thread, I won't prod you further on this subject this year. Consider it a Hanukhah gift.

but in this you err, this is the first time any "goal Post" or date was made, I already signed the paperwork with my lawyer its all on him now to file when he does and such.

 Forar wrote:
Let's make even a cursory glance over Rick's Dakka history searching merely for the word Destroy.

Asterios wrote:
as to the litigation part its not to get my money but to destroy PB for destroying my dream for a Robotech table top miniatures game.

Pretty clear; this isn't about $120, it's about vengeance. Or justice. Whatever sounds less stupid.

And I have done what I could.

 Forar wrote:

Asterios wrote:
also for those of you who keep mentioning lawsuits and such, your still missing the big point, the lawsuits are nothing the BBB complaints are nothing, the thing that will destroy PB and utterly destroy them is the AG's and if PB does nothing soon they will be destroyed soon, once the AG's been called in they can't be called off by any backer, even when that order against that one kickstarter came in against it by a CPA violation brought in from an AG, the Pledges were being delivered and the courts still found them guilty. and fined. I look at all those whiners on the PB forums and think they are whining to the wrong people, they need to whine to PB cause the AG will not listen to them and I have no say in stopping the AG's now. all I can do is supply the information they request.

you want to keep PB safe you better start whining at PB and Kevin to get off his ass and do something, cause once the ball gets rolling with the various AG's they will not stop until they got their blood.

Though admittedly there's precedent for the Tournament Edition Hyper Legal Tsunami Championship Mode Assault to merely be about injuring PB (to the tune of $120 or the start of backer refunds or just kicking off a shot at some dough before the AG swoops in like a Legal Avenging Angel to annihilate them in a wall of paperwork and fines).

Like I said its the AG and the FTC that can do PB the most damage, which is why I have found it odd people are putting so much precedence on my lawsuit, it will not help anyone I probably will not be able to say what I found out, in fact the only thing I "might" be able to say when its done is i won but even that is not guerenteed.

 Forar wrote:

Asterios wrote:

We care about you, Robotech® RPG Tactics™ and its future. Anyone who says otherwise is mistaken or has an agenda to destroy this game, see the Kickstarter fail or take down Palladium Books. That last part may sound ridiculous, and in fact it IS ridiculous, but it’s true.

Awfully strong words right there. Granted, this invokes The Other Backers, whom we've also established (recently and prior) as Not Being Necessarily Trustworthy.

who does he think he is God? by the time me and other backers are done he will be lucky if he can borrow a dime

and if the backers actually did something this would be true, but apathy has lurked into the backers and they have just gone oh well.

 Forar wrote:

Asterios wrote:
you went after me, you went after me for the mere fact I want to destroy your precious PB

And now we're back to Reaper mode. "THEY EXIST BECAUSE I ALLOW IT... AND HAVE NOT YET FILED THE PAPERWORK, THEY WILL GO BANKRUPT BECAUSE I DEMAND IT."

Which works even better for the Mass Effect fans out there. "Ah yes, 'lawsuits', the killing blow upon Palladium that has been allegedly hovering over them for years now. We have dismissed that claim."

And more recently it's been 'oh I won't crush them, merely wound them, it will be upon others to bloody their blades to inflict enough damage'.

Evidently your very obtuse in reading are you not? what I want doesn't mean jack diddly squat yes I want to destroy PB, but only so much i can do.

 Forar wrote:
Count me with Warboss on this. If it goes through and Rick gets paid out, kudos. However, it's not just here, but thousands upon thousands of comments on the KS, droning on incessantly about the looming Attorneypocalypse, the Litigationgeddon that was merely months away based on them not acting *explicitly* as they were told, be it sales at Gencon or not having at least a reasonable plan for the end of the year or whatever. Rick has been going on like Liam Neeson for a good 2 years now, about his special set of skills and how he's a monster waiting to pounce. Any argument about legal pursuit being frivolous or folly or simply a waste of time have been met endlessly by how right and just and successful his will be.

So yeah, I can kind of understand the humour value draining away. I'm not a lawyer, but I'm pretty sure the first step of litigation is like Fight Club: SHUT THE FETH UP ABOUT THE LITIGATION. Filing with the BBB and AG and FTC and whoever seems like some damned fine paper trail building, but I can't believe for a second that any lawyer willing to do pro-bono work would also be down with their client having a over six thousand comments for the opposition to prune through for choice (in and out of context) statements to weaken their stance. Plus however many are on here, of course.

So perhaps it won't literally be the start of the year, maybe not even January itself, but if he can't file in a reasonable timeframe or give a fething good reason for a delay longer than a couple of weeks or perhaps even months, I think it'd be marvelous if at the very least Rick shut the feth up about it. Forever. Either gak or get off the pot, but stop wasting everyone's time with hundreds and thousands of posts about the quality of the pot and the massiveness of his stopped colon and how when he unleashes it everyone within miles will know and rend their clothes in sheer terror.

It's over. We've been through it. Anyone who sues, good luck to them, but how about we start 2016 off right and put an end to a running gag that is officially no longer funny?

Edit: I agree that I think Jorel might give him a run for his money, but for context; between the entire comment run on the KS (main section and updates included), there's (at a glance) around 115-120k comments. Rick has 6,120 of those. Meaning roughly 1 in 20 comments on the ENTIRE KS is his.

Jorel's at 8,101 comments, but he has also backed 36 more campaigns than Rick (who has 1 on that account), so surely hundreds or more of those are spread across others. Hell, I have 7,428, but that's across 57 campaigns, some of which were quite active but I'll state up front that RRT has been by far my most active. Hell, if you pruned the three of us and anyone responding to/interacting with us, we'd probably chop a good 10-20% off the KS comments easily.

actually if you looked at my posts you will notice some are on other KS, but then again there you go assuming again.

LOL, exchange Jaymz for Warboss and Jorel for Rick and this is just a rinse and repeat....

@Forar....totally agreed on the being tired of the same old, "It's your FAULT that PB exists!" The number of "White Knights" is not high enough to keep them in business. The sheer number of unaware of uncaring people who are just fans and ignore the tirades between "Haterz" and "White Knights" are what keeps the lights on and none of us are going to change that. I seriously doubt any of us or even all of us are enough to make a significant difference.

Regardless, it's unlikely that PB will change the tune until retirement or catastrophe hits.

Please Rick. There's no way there's anything but a token amount of posts on other KS's that you apparently joined, talked about, and left. I'm not scrolling through thousands of fething posts, it's close enough for prime time.

And frankly, do you really want me picking through there? Because you were QUITE adamant on the matter of your odds in successful litigation. This was a tongue-in-cheek cursory glance through your history with a single search term. Think what an actual lawyer would go find if given time, money, and a reason to fend off your unstoppable legal BJJ assault.

Anyway, don't avoid the key point; can we agree that come January either you launch your Legal Kitty Hawk Drop (and presumably are told to shut the feth up about it by your lawyer friend), or shut the feth up about litigation anyway?

Because after 2 years, the opportunities have presented themselves. Either do it, or don't, but stop talking about it (and in turn we can stop talking about you talking about it, for feths sake).

 Forar wrote:
Please Rick. There's no way there's anything but a token amount of posts on other KS's that you apparently joined, talked about, and left. I'm not scrolling through thousands of fething posts, it's close enough for prime time.

And frankly, do you really want me picking through there? Because you were QUITE adamant on the matter of your odds in successful litigation. This was a tongue-in-cheek cursory glance through your history with a single search term. Think what an actual lawyer would go find if given time, money, and a reason to fend off your unstoppable legal BJJ assault.

Anyway, don't avoid the key point; can we agree that come January either you launch your Legal Kitty Hawk Drop (and presumably are told to shut the feth up about it by your lawyer friend), or shut the feth up about litigation anyway?

Because after 2 years, the opportunities have presented themselves. Either do it, or don't, but stop talking about it (and in turn we can stop talking about you talking about it, for feths sake).

agreed

 Forar wrote:
Please Rick. There's no way there's anything but a token amount of posts on other KS's that you apparently joined, talked about, and left. I'm not scrolling through thousands of fething posts, it's close enough for prime time.

And frankly, do you really want me picking through there? Because you were QUITE adamant on the matter of your odds in successful litigation. This was a tongue-in-cheek cursory glance through your history with a single search term. Think what an actual lawyer would go find if given time, money, and a reason to fend off your unstoppable legal BJJ assault.

Anyway, don't avoid the key point; can we agree that come January either you launch your Legal Kitty Hawk Drop (and presumably are told to shut the feth up about it by your lawyer friend), or shut the feth up about litigation anyway?

Because after 2 years, the opportunities have presented themselves. Either do it, or don't, but stop talking about it (and in turn we can stop talking about you talking about it, for feths sake).

and like I said the paperwork is signed, my attorney starts next month after the christmas/new years holidays, what more do you want?

 Mike1975 wrote:
LOL, exchange Jaymz for Warboss and Jorel for Rick and this is just a rinse and repeat....

Only if we continued it for months every single day all day. This is just a minor skirmish lasting one half of one day! Are they still at it? I stopped checking around the pointless scale vote.

Asterios wrote:
and like I said the paperwork is signed, my attorney starts next month after the christmas/new years holidays, what more do you want?

A gentleman's agreement that going forward, the only legal chatter is fact based. Not about what you plan to do, or hope to do, or will do. Things that are *done*, factually. X papers have been submitted, they have Y days to respond. Z date has been set to meet, etc.

That's a pretty low bar to set. If you're doing it, great! And if you can talk about it while you're doing it, even better! But if you aren't doing it, the thousands of posts about it end, and if you're doing it but your lawyer tells you to shut up about it, that's a great idea too, because we wouldn't want you to inadvertently hurt your case by talking about it publicly.

But if in January your lawyer comes back and says "Sorry dude, the courts are backed up, this isn't going to happen until *insert month here*", we don't get a surprise extension to Rick Talks About His Pending Lawsuit.

WIn/win for everyone, potentially even you.

 Forar wrote:

Asterios wrote:
and like I said the paperwork is signed, my attorney starts next month after the christmas/new years holidays, what more do you want?

A gentleman's agreement that going forward, the only legal chatter is fact based. Not about what you plan to do, or hope to do, or will do. Things that are *done*, factually. X papers have been submitted, they have Y days to respond. Z date has been set to meet, etc.

That's a pretty low bar to set. If you're doing it, great! And if you can talk about it while you're doing it, even better! But if you aren't doing it, the thousands of posts about it end, and if you're doing it but your lawyer tells you to shut up about it, that's a great idea too, because we wouldn't want you to inadvertently hurt your case by talking about it publicly.

But if in January your lawyer comes back and says "Sorry dude, the courts are backed up, this isn't going to happen until *insert month here*", we don't get a surprise extension to Rick Talks About His Pending Lawsuit.

WIn/win for everyone, potentially even you.

actually Forar, WarBoss is the one who brung it up now, me i was talking about the AG and FTC, i don't bring my pending suit up others bring it up which forces me to respond to them.

The ongoing Quest For The AG and BBB: BETTER BUSINESS HARDER and The FEDERAL TRADE BADASSES and whatnot have been part of your ongoing suit tirades.

Don't play coy with us, it's embarrassing. You've been promoting people reaching out to them for ages, in part because it helps all of their cases, including yours. Don't act like there isn't a vested interest in dozens or hundreds more complaints ending up on those desks.

This shouldn't be all that fething hard to agree to, man. You really can't stop, can you?

I'm legit growing concerned about your well being. "lawl, I won't bitch about suing PB until I'm actually suing PB" is a pretty low bar to clear here.

***must resist....sarcastically correcting someone wrong on... the internet***

 Forar wrote:
The ongoing Quest For The AG and BBB: BETTER BUSINESS HARDER and The FEDERAL TRADE BADASSES and whatnot have been part of your ongoing suit tirades.

Don't play coy with us, it's embarrassing. You've been promoting people reaching out to them for ages, in part because it helps all of their cases, including yours. Don't act like there isn't a vested interest in dozens or hundreds more complaints ending up on those desks.

This shouldn't be all that fething hard to agree to, man. You really can't stop, can you?

I'm legit growing concerned about your well being. "lawl, I won't bitch about suing PB until I'm actually suing PB" is a pretty low bar to clear here.

oh the AG and the FTC are a whole differant affair then my pending suit, my pending suit only helps me, the AG and FTC will help everyone.

and yes I do push the FTC and the AG for people to file with , not for any monetary benefit for me, but to bring PB down,t hat is no secret.

but hey nice way to try to side rail things.

 warboss wrote:
***must resist....sarcastically correcting someone wrong on... the internet***

why were you going to correct Forar ?

Happy Hanukhah, Rick! We both know it wasn't Ninja Forar. So any new 3d models, Rick? Did you play a game with all those painted figs?

Okay cool, since I was the one who was incorrect, we can all agree cheerfully to sideline legal talk going forward.

I won't bring it up, Mike won't bring it up, Warboss won't bring it up, Rick won't bring it up, etc.

Thank you for your cooperation.

So moving on, yes, I too would like to hear of games played and models completed.

 warboss wrote:
Happy Hanukhah, Rick! We both know it wasn't Ninja Forar. So any new 3d models, Rick? Did you play a game with all those painted figs?

still haven't found anyone interested in playing the game and with me not having my 3D program anymore haven't designed anything new, been tweaking what I have but thats about it.

Then we're sadly in the same boat. I may try forcing my little cousins, nieces, and nephews to pay when they come over for the holidays. My xbox broke a while back so they'll be desperate.

 warboss wrote:
Then we're sadly in the same boat. I may try forcing my little cousins, nieces, and nephews to pay when they come over for the holidays. My xbox broke a while back so they'll be desperate.

but that desperate? even my own wife will not play a game and she liked the Robotech show, she does want to try out the Zombie 15' game though, and already have some ready to get an "All Quiet on the Martian Front" game going when I get mine and paint them.

I'm totally going to sue Palladium Books.

Anyone want to hear about it?

Oh you!

*giggle*

Merijeek wrote:
I'm totally going to sue Palladium Books.

Anyone want to hear about it?

Forar and Warboss do.

Asterios wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Then we're sadly in the same boat. I may try forcing my little cousins, nieces, and nephews to pay when they come over for the holidays. My xbox broke a while back so they'll be desperate.

but that desperate? even my own wife will not play a game and she liked the Robotech show, she does want to try out the Zombie 15' game though, and already have some ready to get an "All Quiet on the Martian Front" game going when I get mine and paint them.

They're kids. They'll either do that or stare at the half eaten plates of cabbage, sausage, and ham in the middle of the table for hours like the adults till we move onto presents.


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Merijeek wrote:
I'm totally going to sue Palladium Books.

Anyone want to hear about it?

Pick a stall and get to work. Just ignore the strange noises and odors coming from the other loud Dakkite next door as you strain. And if Forar knocks on the door, hurry up!

 warboss wrote:

Asterios wrote:

 warboss wrote:
Then we're sadly in the same boat. I may try forcing my little cousins, nieces, and nephews to pay when they come over for the holidays. My xbox broke a while back so they'll be desperate.

but that desperate? even my own wife will not play a game and she liked the Robotech show, she does want to try out the Zombie 15' game though, and already have some ready to get an "All Quiet on the Martian Front" game going when I get mine and paint them.

They're kids. They'll either do that or stare at the half eaten plates of cabbage, sausage, and ham in the middle of the table for hours like the adults till we move onto presents.

Your a mean one Mr. Grinch, wouldn't that be termed cruel and unusual punishment? and what does it say when you have to blackmail people to play this game

Grinch? Nah... more like a benevolent holiday tabletop dictator. As for cruel and unusual punishment, that would be forcing them to put together my remaining models which I wouldn't ever make them do. They're assembled, painted, and ready to play; if I use special characters and upgrades, I've even got 300pts for both sides. Playing the game, while flawed, isn't bad.