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**n815e**

The sensory feedback on that poor pilot, getting kicked in the crotch like that...

**warboss**

Conrad Turner wrote:
So where does that leave us? I'm confuddled!

Agreed. That pic is problematic which is why I specifically called out that pic as an example of scale inconsistency within the anime series.

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paulson games wrote:

Yay! You found the pic.

As for battlepod vs infantry, there is the classic scene of normal zentraedi "cavalry" riding cowboy style on battlepods from the show.

**Albertorius**

Asterios wrote:
well according to that one page Albertorious linked to the Zentraedi in our scale would be about 60mm ? and yet this guy in this pic is 32mm:

In 1:285 scale, a regular 8-10 m zentran would be between 28 and 35 mm. That's mostly correct. As to the scaling inconsistences in the series, it is also addressed in the link. Let's just say it's thoroughly fethed up xDD. If you don't mind going outside of the first TV series, Macross has been relatively more coherent.

**paulson games**

It had to be done

**JohnHwangDD**

Guys, it's very clear that you can create your own stuff for personal use. Regardless of the IP involved.

You can make a painting of Disney's Mickey Mouse. You can make as many as you want. You just can't sell them as "Mickey Mouse" paintings without a license from Disney.

In the same vein, you can create all the Space Marines you like. GW can't do jack gak about that, if it's all personal use. But it's gonna suck if you start selling them as "Warhammer 40,000 Space Marines".

As for Robotech / Macross, you can physically / digitally hand-sculpt whatever you like. You can make a VF out of matchsticks or cardstop or whatever. You can hand sculpt Minmei. You can do all of that to your heart's content. And you can share it all here.

What you can't do is to talk about how you're going to take GHQs stuff and blatantly copy it, because that is clearly illegal.

So, go ahead and sculpt and print Bioriods and Alpha/Beta Fighters. Sculpt and print MPAs and FPAs and Monsters. Share that with us. It's awesome.

**Talizvar**

Yeah, moving on... nothing to see here.

**Nesbet**

well, so can we agree that the series has a load of inconsistences, right? Zent soldiers could measure 8~11m, so that gives plenty of space for other brands of miniatures (32-40mm aprox).

So, whats your ideal choice for proxies of another brands? Any other suggestions?

**warboss**

JohnHwangDD wrote:

You can make a painting of Disney's Mickey Mouse. You can make as many as you want. You just can't sell them as "Mickey Mouse" paintings without a license from Disney.

Disney disagrees.

https://www.theselfemployed.com/law/disney-threatened-sue-daycare-centers/

**Asterios**

paulson games wrote:
The key to "personal use" comes down to what you do with it the copies. US law allows to make as many copies as you want FOR YOURSELF, however once you start making them for OTHERS even if it's done for free it becomes manufacture for distribution. Unless you specifically created and designed the 3d file yourself you are using the product of somebody work so it's not protected under fair use. If you make a dozen copies and give them away to a friend you are technically violating what's allowed under fair use, will big mean PB come after you? It's highly unlikely given the numbers involved, but they could.

In that case if the court finds in their favor it would likely issue a binding order to cease production. If they managed to prove that there were grounds for damages to be awarded you could be socked with a fee that upwards to a maximum of $50k per item that was made and they could also hit you with additional fines to cover the costs of their lawyers taking you to court, the judges are supposed to base damage awards on the severity of the infringement so a large award over fairly inexpensive models would be very unlikely but legal fees add up insanely quick and even the cost of defending oneself can be crippling, even if you win. It's highly unlikely they'd actually go through the expense and hassle of a court trial over a couple of minis you made or sold, but they could if they opted to. There is no requirement that profit be made on an item before it violates fair use, you violate it as soon as you distribute; ie as soon as it leaves your personal possession.

Using shapeways prints when somebody else designed the 3d model isn't protected under the rights for fair use, it's "allowed" due to apathy and the legal costs of going after the infringement, which is this case would require tens of thousands of dollars to go after maybe a couple of hundred dollars worth of models and profits. Just don't kid yourself into thinking it's" legally ok" because you've shared the 3d files with people or paid somebody to make a file for you.

That said, they allow pictures of models to be posted on dakka so long as the source is not disclosed, as it falls under hearsay. Nobody can prove what you did or didn't make yourself based solely on the picture, but when you are a dim bulb and start posting about how "person x made it" or "I got it made it here" you are acknowledging that it was created by a third party and you are openly admitting to violating the law (US law anyways) which is why discussion of the source is against forums rules.

I'm not a lawyer but I spent a metric crap ton of time and money dealing with IP specialist lawyers on the subject back when I was sued by GW. A lot of people have a pretty fuzzy understanding of what fair use allows them to do yet they talk about it like they are an expert because they might have read an unverified wiki article that one time. The lawyers I dealt with for about a year and half are employed at a huge multimillion dollar lawfirm that specializes in IP cases and they successfully handled GW in court so I'd place my bet with them vs some random article or blog online, but hey that's just me.

I personally don't care if people recast stuff, if they have friends help them make it, or buy armies worth on shapeways but how you or I personally feel doesn't determine how the law gets applied.

The Zentraedi, Invid, and Bioroids weren't personally sculpted by you. You may have paid somebody to make the files but they aren't your personal creation, so don't talk about the source.

thats why if I use someones 3D file I "found" I do alterations to it and slight changes so it could be considered a wholly new model and of my design. then there are items I did from scratch and so forth, to which I have shown others progress pictures and variations of, but all in all what I do make would be covered under fair use. especially since its for me.

Nesbet wrote:
well, so can we agree that the series has a load of inconsistences, right? Zent soldiers could measure 8~11m, so that gives plenty of space for other brands of miniatures (32-40mm aprox).

So, whats your ideal choice for proxies of another brands? Any other suggestions?

well as has been mentioned the troopers from Sedition Wars make a good cheap candidate.

**JohnHwangDD**

warboss wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:

You can make a painting of Disney's Mickey Mouse. You can make as many as you want. You just can't sell them as "Mickey Mouse" paintings without a license from Disney.

Disney disagrees.

https://www.theselfemployed.com/law/disney-threatened-sue-daycare-centers/

Those weren't personal use. Those were for commercial use. Disney was right to shut them down.

**jaymz**

Wow just wow......

The rule is crystal clear on this stuff. Don't like it too flippin bad move the hell on instead spewing it all over the thread. God some people just do not know when to shut the hell up.

**Nesbet**

does somebody have those sedition wars miniatures? Willing to upload some pics with some RRT miniatures for scale comparison?

Thanks in advance

**warboss**

Nesbet wrote:
does somebody have those sedition wars miniatures? Willing to upload some pics with some RRT miniatures for scale comparison?

Thanks in advance

I think Mike Morpheus did a few pages back although not next to RRT figs. It was before your comment "begun the Cloning wars have..."

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/5160/651554.page

**Asterios**

Nesbet wrote:
does somebody have those sedition wars miniatures? Willing to upload some pics with some RRT miniatures for scale comparison?

Thanks in advance

they are the same size as my "Zentraedi" in the pic with the pod but a little more beefier.

**JohnHwangDD**

Nesbet wrote:
does somebody have those sedition wars miniatures? Willing to upload some pics with some RRT miniatures for scale comparison?

Sadly, yes, I do. And they are built. Although putting them both together is like a Kit Kat of KS fail.

I'll upload a pic tonight.
____

... or over the weekend, when I'm not focused on building my Valkyrie.

**Talizvar**

Why do I feel like there is a sudden run on Sedition Wars miniatures and I am missing the boat?

**JohnHwangDD**

Are you looking to buy a boxed set of SedWars? If so, I call dibs on the buyer! $60+S&H.

**Asterios**

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Are you looking to buy a boxed set of SedWars? If so, I call dibs on the buyer! $60+S&H.

can get them much less elsewhere John, but nice try

**warboss**

Talizvar wrote:
Why do I feel like there is a sudden run on Sedition Wars miniatures and I am missing the boat?

Considering that copies last I checked were sitting online unsold at $30 including shipping, I think you're safe. It's more like being really thirsty in a boat floating in the middle of the Great Lakes. You'll be ok.

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JohnHwangDD wrote:
Are you looking to buy a boxed set of SedWars? If so, I call dibs on the buyer! $60+S&H.

Lol, you've been waiting for that opportunity for two years!

Don't worry though.. just like robotech, that gak sells like hotcakes on amazon!

**JohnHwangDD**

warboss wrote:
JohnHwangDD wrote:
Are you looking to buy a boxed set of SedWars? If so, I call dibs on the buyer! $60+S&H.

Lol, you've been waiting for that opportunity for two years! Don't worry though.. just like robotech, that gak sells like hotcakes on amazon!

Or Heavy Gear, for that matter...

BTW did you know somebody is selling a pile of RAFM-scale HG infantry on eBay?

**warboss**

JohnHwangDD wrote:

BTW did you know somebody is selling a pile of RAFM-scale HG infantry on eBay?

It's not me if you're alluding to that. I've got some infantry but I'm still wobbling back and forth with what to do with my new HG loot. Is that you?

**JohnHwangDD**

No, it's not me - I've never owned any RAFM-scale HG.

I just recall that you bought a huge amount of the old RAFM stuff, wasn't sure if you needed any infantry to go with the Gears.

Anyhow, getting back to the notion of RTT with other failed games, ... I do have that one for-scale picture of RTT and HG minis together.

**Merijeek**

paulson games wrote:
Kicking a VT in the crotch? seriously?

That's not so bad. Face it, if you're fighting a humanoid, you're probably going to go for eye area, crotch area, and joints.

**Albertorius**

Nesbet wrote:
does somebody have those sedition wars miniatures? Willing to upload some pics with some RRT miniatures for scale comparison?

Thanks in advance

I'll add them to the queue.

**megatrons2nd**

Merijeek wrote:
paulson games wrote:
Kicking a VT in the crotch? seriously?

That's not so bad. Face it, if you're fighting a humanoid, you're probably going to go for eye area, crotch area, and joints.

Not to mention that it is REALY close to the cockpit.

**Talizvar**

Okay, someone on the Kickstarter page said the Veritech - R variant head was a pain in the rear to assemble.
I decided to try it.
First, here it is:

I learned something important to do with photography: never take a picture of something small on glass.
Notice the cutting mat beneath is in perfect focus...

I used these fancy tweezer cutters but cutting down on cardboard works pretty good as well if you think something is delicate.
Keep your fingers on these little bits when you make the last cut: they all seem to want to fly far away if not held down.
Someone suggested cutting inside a ziploc bag for these issues...

So I shaved the extra bits off with a sharp tiny knife and 1.75 times glasses because I am old...

This is the tricky part: First figure out which way is up for the silly dual guns.
Then DO NOT PUSH IN BY THE GUNS, I used my sculpting pointy tool to push it in from the middle, pick whatever you are comfortable with that you will not stab yourself.
It takes a little bit of force but kinda pops in, a little too good a fit.
I then decided trying to get it out to glue was foolish, so the Tamiya green cap glue is ideal: it wicks in.
I do not mind these little guys, the 3 models to field "one model" makes it a bit of an effort and the... well... 20 odd pieces but they are not a struggle for fit..
Thanks for putting up with the Sasquatch style pictures, I promise I will do better next time.

Conclusion: Take a few precautions and the heads are not terrible to do.

I am getting more serious about how to hack-up an Armored Valkyrie, I think I have an idea.
It is just an idea... no baying for blood to hand over the "secret"... I will work on a prototype now.

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Okay, I am thinking of an armored Veritech:

Spoiler:

Now look real close to what I propose here:

It will cost one VT and a Spartan but I think I can make this work with a bit of styrene rod and square tube.
The chest plate is the hard bit, I was tempted to hack up the foot for the Tomahawk, the back part is a similar shape but that is madness THREE models to make one... no I am not that crazy.
So I may have to sculpt the chest plate unless any of you out there have a cool idea?

I would send cookies...

So the proposed thing to do is notch out the missile launchers to fit the VT shoulders into.
Hack the bottom of the Spartan feet and fit the VT feet inside.
I might be able to cut the same polystyrene square tube on an angle and avoid wrecking the legs altogether.
Cut the Spartan arms to fit with the VT upper arms.
Cut three little rounds for the missiles on the end of the arm, I may have to sculpt the non-gun hand.
Cut three lengths of rounds to attach to the hips of the legs.
A combination of the VT forearm and the Spartan forearm I think I can make the jetpack, I have some card I can use to lengthen the tips and can cut appropriately.

I have done this many times in my head, what can go wrong??

I got the vision mon, just a wee bit more ganja... and....

**Lynx7725**

So, in the latest update, Kevin wrote 5 paras about his broken arm. 2 sentences on RTT.

Can we change the title of this thread to "RTT: hey, Déjà vu!"?

**Conrad Turner**

I unsubscribed from that. Didn't want all the adds for products I have no interest in, and no information on stuff I want to know.

For new titles for the thread, how about these?

"RRT: Still Waiting"?

"RRT: TNG"?

"RRT: DIY"?

**jaymz**

Poated this on the ks comments

Funny you would think for sonwone whos arm was bothering and hindering him soooooo much he woumd kept in the slingband not been waving it about for the better part of 4 hours prior to going to the hotel "exhausted"......

And rrt is a priority what with the much vaunted 3d prints of wave two stuff kept in a case under the table....not on display because who wants to see miniature anime mecha at an anime convention after all....idiots.

**cannonfodr**

This is very close to what I had in mind. Two of us can't be wrong, right?

I was going to cut up the super valk boosters for the jetpack. Remove the nozzles at the end and reverse the front part. It's pretty easy to do once they're in resin.

For the chest piece, I'm thinking the back part of a phalanx.

You'd still need either the thigh missile pods from the tomahawk legs for the missile boxes on the lower legs of the armored valks. If I can find the time, I'll have to make the parts to try it out. I'm guessing it's OK to talk about casting up parts to hack up for conversions?

Talizvar wrote:
Okay, I am thinking of an armored Veritech:

Spoiler:

Now look real close to what I propose here:

It will cost one VT and a Spartan but I think I can make this work with a bit of styrene rod and square tube.
The chest plate is the hard bit, I was tempted to hack up the foot for the Tomahawk, the back part is a similar shape but that is madness THREE models to make one... no I am not that crazy.
So I may have to sculpt the chest plate unless any of you out there have a cool idea?
I would send cookies...

So the proposed thing to do is notch out the missile launchers to fit the VT shoulders into.
Hack the bottom of the Spartan feet and fit the VT feet inside.
I might be able to cut the same polystyrene square tube on an angle and avoid wrecking the legs altogether.
Cut the Spartan arms to fit with the VT upper arms.
Cut three little rounds for the missiles on the end of the arm, I may have to sculpt the non-gun hand.
Cut three lengths of rounds to attach to the hips of the legs.
A combination of the VT forearm and the Spartan forearm I think I can make the jetpack, I have some card I can use to lengthen the tips and can cut appropriately.

I have done this many times in my head, what can go wrong??
I got the vision mon, just a wee bit more ganja... and....