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 Psienesis wrote:
In the entire SW galaxy, there are only ~20 million planets that developed sentient life. Some of those planets are like Tattooine and Ryloth, both of which are Very Gakky, but for different reasons... neither of them offer anything that can support a total war effort.

The IoM, alone, has ~1 million worlds, give or take. The Orks hold massively more than this. There's an unknown number of Tomb Worlds. Chaos has a literally-inexhaustible supply of Daemons. Tyranids out-populate every other faction in this war, on both sides, combined. When your two-dozen or so advance fleets stretch up to 75,000 light-years back to the edge of the galactic disc, with the bulk of your troops yet to arrive behind them, nothing opposes your war of numbers, not even close.

Never mind the fact that the approach of a Hive Fleet to a planet causes massive tectonic disruptions that act as a "softening up" of its defenses before the Fleet arrives. In a settings a xeno-rich as SW, no one would bat an eye at Genestealers. Or Hrud, for that matter.

The Tantive IV, incidentally, was equipped with a pair of dual turbolasers and a quartet of single turbolasers. It was not, in any way, an actual threat to the Devastator (which carried roughly 10 times the number of turbolasers, and 60 Ion Cannons on top of that), as the Tantive IV could not hope to penetrate the multiple banks of deflector shields on the Star Destroyer.

Last but not least? There's far more Psykers in 40K than there are Force Sensitives in SW. And of those Force Sensitives, only a relatively small percentage are combat-oriented, compared to the Psykers in use by the IG and the Space Marines.

40K is also in greater possession of planet-destroying weapons than the SW universe currently is.

well put inquisitor

Singularity678 wrote:

 DalinCriid wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
40k... No... The fething TAU godstomp the entire SW Galaxy (assuming original series)

Tau? LoL, Just gimme a random IG regiment and I take out the Republic in couple of Months

I love the guard and all, but im not sure one guard regiment is not enough,this is not the imperium vs my little pony. As for the tau they would probaly have peace talks and gain tons of auxilary in both human and alien form.

Yep, I agree. Taking down the Republic or the Empire will take more than just a couple of regiments, but. But in terms of Technology I Think Tau can really give SW galaxy one hell of a fight. And also, let's don't forget that according to SW EU they have some pretty bad ass stuff inviding from foreign galaxy - the Yuuzhan Vong. They remind me of humanoid genestealers.

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

 DalinCriid wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
40k... No... The fething TAU godstomp the entire SW Galaxy (assuming original series)

Tau? LoL, Just gimme a random IG regiment and I take out the Republic in couple of Months

Harldly. the Old Sith Empire, Mandalorians, Galactic Empire, and Fel Empire could all solo the entire IoM by themselves.

The Tau would be slaughtered in a fight with any faction star wars presents.

If people want to claim EU doesn't count then you cannot claim that the exaggerated power levels of the 40k levels exist considering 40k doesn't even have a 'canon'.

In short. No gimping.

Except that Disney itself said that the EU doesn't count.

And there is absolutely not a single way you can reconcile the incredible cross section's figures with anything that happens.

Every time Star Wars is put on a visual medium, we see ships broadsiding each other with barrages that wouldn't impress an iowa class battleship. There's none of this "teratunz!" wankery.

Then theres the avatar of kain or demons of chaos that the forces of chaos and eldar bring onto the field. Also remember the necrons have the essence of the night bringer and the sob have the living saint.

The Vong really kind of sucked though, they only did as well as they did because of the disruption in the New Republic and the fact they'd been through so many crippling wars recently.

A united Necron Empire would wipe the floor with the New Republic. Remember that Necron ships have combat FTL and pinpoint turning capability. They regenerate damage faster than living tissue heals. Their main guns disintegrate the target outright and will flat-out ignore deflector shields because of the weapon's mechanics.

As for not knowing how the Force works: You need a certain midichlorian count to access the universal energy field :p

40k. The death star, most powerful platform of the Empire, was something special. But eldar blew up planets for fun, at a whim. Hell, stars.

 Kain wrote:

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

 DalinCriid wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
40k... No... The fething TAU godstomp the entire SW Galaxy (assuming original series)

Tau? LoL, Just gimme a random IG regiment and I take out the Republic in couple of Months

Harldly. the Old Sith Empire, Mandalorians, Galactic Empire, and Fel Empire could all solo the entire IoM by themselves.

The Tau would be slaughtered in a fight with any faction star wars presents.

If people want to claim EU doesn't count then you cannot claim that the exaggerated power levels of the 40k levels exist considering 40k doesn't even have a 'canon'.

In short. No gimping.

Except that Disney itself said that the EU doesn't count.

And there is absolutely not a single way you can reconcile the incredible cross section's figures with anything that happens.

Every time Star Wars is put on a visual medium, we see ships broadsiding each other with barrages that wouldn't impress an iowa class battleship. There's none of this "teratunz!" wankery.

Yet GW also maintains a non-canon policy as well. So I assume that Star Wars wins since the entire 40k universe doesn't exist?


The barrages you mentioned do indeed pack that much energy. Surely you wouldn't deny the existing fluff because it doesn't look like it? The lack of results is mainly due to high efficiency of shielding and armor on the ships.

 Talys wrote:
40k. The death star, most powerful platform of the Empire, was something special. But eldar blew up planets for fun, at a whim. Hell, stars.

Indeed and is it not funny that the death star was destoyed with one hit because they decided to leave the most vital part's ungarded.

 Talys wrote:
40k. The death star, most powerful platform of the Empire, was something special. But eldar blew up planets for fun, at a whim. Hell, stars.

I think that just one of those is enuff to deal with the Death Star:

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

 DalinCriid wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
40k... No... The fething TAU godstomp the entire SW Galaxy (assuming original series)

Tau? LoL, Just gimme a random IG regiment and I take out the Republic in couple of Months

Harldly. the Old Sith Empire, Mandalorians, Galactic Empire, and Fel Empire could all solo the entire IoM by themselves.

The Tau would be slaughtered in a fight with any faction star wars presents.

If people want to claim EU doesn't count then you cannot claim that the exaggerated power levels of the 40k levels exist considering 40k doesn't even have a 'canon'.

In short. No gimping.

Except that Disney itself said that the EU doesn't count.

And there is absolutely not a single way you can reconcile the incredible cross section's figures with anything that happens.

Every time Star Wars is put on a visual medium, we see ships broadsiding each other with barrages that wouldn't impress an iowa class battleship. There's none of this "teratunz!" wankery.

Yet GW also maintains a non-canon policy as well. So I assume that Star Wars wins since the entire 40k universe doesn't exist?


The barrages you mentioned do indeed pack that much energy. Surely you wouldn't deny the existing fluff because it doesn't look like it? The lack of results is mainly due to high efficiency of shielding and armor on the ships.

GW's policy is that "canon is anything you want it to be, it's not our job to curate it".

Groxgak. Barring mystical force concentration energy doesn't just disappear like that. It radiates outwards in various directions. If the ICS was telling the truth, the battle of coruscant would have vaporized all life on the planet from nothing more than the excess radiant heat. And it wouldn't have looked like an ancient era naval battle with hundreds of ships in a tightly constrained clusterfeth, it would look like a whited out constantly mess.

Also; according to the ICS, these missiles are 100 kiloton detonations.



100 kilotons of poprocks maybe.

 Kain wrote:

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

 DalinCriid wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
40k... No... The fething TAU godstomp the entire SW Galaxy (assuming original series)

Tau? LoL, Just gimme a random IG regiment and I take out the Republic in couple of Months

Harldly. the Old Sith Empire, Mandalorians, Galactic Empire, and Fel Empire could all solo the entire IoM by themselves.

The Tau would be slaughtered in a fight with any faction star wars presents.

If people want to claim EU doesn't count then you cannot claim that the exaggerated power levels of the 40k levels exist considering 40k doesn't even have a 'canon'.

In short. No gimping.

Except that Disney itself said that the EU doesn't count.

And there is absolutely not a single way you can reconcile the incredible cross section's figures with anything that happens.

Every time Star Wars is put on a visual medium, we see ships broadsiding each other with barrages that wouldn't impress an iowa class battleship. There's none of this "teratunz!" wankery.

Yet GW also maintains a non-canon policy as well. So I assume that Star Wars wins since the entire 40k universe doesn't exist?


The barrages you mentioned do indeed pack that much energy. Surely you wouldn't deny the existing fluff because it doesn't look like it? The lack of results is mainly due to high efficiency of shielding and armor on the ships.

GW's policy is that "canon is anything you want it to be, it's not our job to curate it".

Groxgak. Barring mystical force concentration energy doesn't just disappear like that. It radiates outwards in various directions. If the ICS was telling the truth, the battle of coruscant would have vaporized all life on the planet from nothing more than the excess radiant heat. And it wouldn't have looked like an ancient era naval battle with hundreds of ships in a tightly constrained clusterfeth, it would look like a whited out constantly mess.

Also; according to the ICS, these missiles are 100 kiloton detonations.



100 kilotons of poprocks maybe.

Listen if you want to ignore the officially cqnon power output of SW weapons that's your choice.

GW saying 'everything is canon' is the same as saying nothing is canon at all since we have conflicting facts on all sides.

Using EU stuff, SW could defends itself from the most conventional enemies.

But Chaos and Necrons (or the rumored endless wave of Tyranids) would trash that galaxy.

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

 Kain wrote:

 DoomShakaLaka wrote:

 DalinCriid wrote:

 Verviedi wrote:
40k... No... The fething TAU godstomp the entire SW Galaxy (assuming original series)

Tau? LoL, Just gimme a random IG regiment and I take out the Republic in couple of Months

Harldly. the Old Sith Empire, Mandalorians, Galactic Empire, and Fel Empire could all solo the entire IoM by themselves.

The Tau would be slaughtered in a fight with any faction star wars presents.

If people want to claim EU doesn't count then you cannot claim that the exaggerated power levels of the 40k levels exist considering 40k doesn't even have a 'canon'.

In short. No gimping.

Except that Disney itself said that the EU doesn't count.

And there is absolutely not a single way you can reconcile the incredible cross section's figures with anything that happens.

Every time Star Wars is put on a visual medium, we see ships broadsiding each other with barrages that wouldn't impress an iowa class battleship. There's none of this "teratunz!" wankery.

Yet GW also maintains a non-canon policy as well. So I assume that Star Wars wins since the entire 40k universe doesn't exist?


The barrages you mentioned do indeed pack that much energy. Surely you wouldn't deny the existing fluff because it doesn't look like it? The lack of results is mainly due to high efficiency of shielding and armor on the ships.

GW's policy is that "canon is anything you want it to be, it's not our job to curate it".

Groxgak. Barring mystical force concentration energy doesn't just disappear like that. It radiates outwards in various directions. If the ICS was telling the truth, the battle of coruscant would have vaporized all life on the planet from nothing more than the excess radiant heat. And it wouldn't have looked like an ancient era naval battle with hundreds of ships in a tightly constrained clusterfeth, it would look like a whited out constantly mess.

Also; according to the ICS, these missiles are 100 kiloton detonations.



100 kilotons of poprocks maybe.

Listen if you want to ignore the officially cqnon power output of SW weapons that's your choice.

GW saying 'everything is canon' is the same as saying nothing is canon at all since we have conflicting facts on all sides.

It was only ever C canon at most, and is now non-canon.

The c-list canon offers numbers that made the story blatantly not work and also contradicts the visuals shown in the movies and the clone wars and rebel cartoons (which are higher canon) unless the entire story was the fever dream of a dying Anakin skywalker as a crashed pod-racer blew up all of Mos Eisley. Ergo, it is wrong and is to be ignored.

Yoda is an Eldar Farseer. They've already taken over the galaxy. Their puppets call themselves 'The New Republic', or some such nonsense.

Actually a thought. Since the whole mitichlorians thing is canon (stupid as it is)...wouldn't that mean that Tyranids would assimilate them? Force-sensitive Nids!

Got to give it to the 40k forces if only for the potential for Exterminatus. Star Wars factions have been known to glass planets given enough time, but a well-stocked battle barge does it in a single salvo. Star Wars ships can be anywhere at any time though, so provided they had enough intel, teams of assassins/demolitionists could probably wreck most priority targets without a problem. That said, a lack of intel regarding safe hyperspace routes in the Imperium would make it too dangerous to move FTL for the Star Wars guys.

On the ground, I'm giving the advantage to the 40k guys. More numbers. Bigger explosions. Jedi are among the scariest things the SW forces can muster, and they're basically just reliable mostly telekinetic psykers with plasma swords. Which is impressive and all, but I'm pretty sure any given faction in 40k can deal with a S7 Ap 2 melee weapon and a guy with some divination buffs up.

I think the 40k guys would eat/enslave planets at their leisure with the only real problems being guerilla strikes made by the SW guys on key locations (assuming they can get their FTL to work). A given Star Wars personal fighter ship can be used to zip around the galaxy in no time at all, and it has the power to blow up some pretty large ships given enough time and ammo. I'm also pretty sure 40k ship weapons are cumbersome enough to have trouble hitting one of them. So minor, annoying advantage to SW in space, but they lack the oomph to do any real damage on the ground. Look at a given tank from the SW animated cartoon. Now remember that orbital strikes d-cannons, and eldritch storms are a thing in 40k. And if that doesn't do it for you, remember the cyclone missiles. Or the glass plague. Or that psychic plague that travels through screams.

Star Wars can blow up solar systems with a single fighter-sized ship that's tougher than a planet, make that of what you will.

The one and only suncrusher? Wasn't that destroyed by sending it flying into a black hole? Something that a couple of 40k factions seem to be able to contain if not spontaneously create?

Yes, it would undoubtedly be a giant pain in the ass for the likes of the Imperium, Orks, Tau, etc. But I'm fairly certain that Necrons, Eldar - maybe just dark but inclined to say nigh all, and Chaos would have little problem in the way of obliterating such a craft.

Star Wars has better defensive capabilities. Shields that protect cities, moons, and planets are shown to be nothing special in the SW movies and books. These include the shields around the first Death Star, which prevents large ships from approaching. The shield they were constructing around Hoth, which would have stopped meteor showers and landing parties. The shields around the second Death Star and Endor, which fighters were described as crashing against. Finally there were those shields used by the Gungans which could stop cannon laser fire.

In 40K, void shields are only given to the most important vehicles and personal shields are relics only given to SM veterans.

Not sure if it would change anything but it is something to consider.

 the Signless wrote:
Star Wars has better defensive capabilities. Shields that protect cities, moons, and planets are shown to be nothing special in the SW movies and books. These include the shields around the first Death Star, which prevents large ships from approaching. The shield they were constructing around Hoth, which would have stopped meteor showers and landing parties. The shields around the second Death Star and Endor, which fighters were described as crashing against. Finally there were those shields used by the Gungans which could stop cannon laser fire.

In 40K, void shields are only given to the most important vehicles and personal shields are relics only given to SM veterans.

Not sure if it would change anything but it is something to consider.

As in SW on SW fights, those shields would probably be more of a speedbump than anything though. You can literally walk right through a lot of those bigger shields (if not all of them). Every faction has some infiltrator types that won't have a problem dismantling those shields.

My interest was piqued on something, so I decided to look up the relative size of every army. This is quick and dirty research, so it lacks some detail, but I think it is telling enough to talk about the differences in scale.

The Imperial army has ~20 sector armies as its largest level of organization. Each sector army is composed of 262,144-1,572,864 troopers, creating a standing ground pounding force of 5,242,880 - 31,457,280 men.

The Grand Army of the Republic, the clone army, is around 3,000,000 I think. The reading is a little unclear on the exact count.

I could not find any accurate numbers on the Rebel Alliance army.

The biggest army though (if we're counting everything) is the Droid Separatist army, and this starts to run into a vague "hundreds of millions".

Those are big armies to be sure. But the Imperial Guard alone runs into the billions. The biggest threat in terms of numbers would be the Droid army, and I think in an army-vs-army fight, it could be a close run thing. But the Guard would do what the Guard always does, drown the enemy in numbers and simply out-quantity them.

 Singularity678 wrote:

 Kain wrote:

Singularity678 wrote:
its not over done its fun, not to metion the starwars universe is very large,and some can even say could hold its own.

The Necrons at full throttle can go boxing with Metroid's Chozo and Halo's forerunners and hold their own and possibly even win.

Star Wars doesn't have that kind of Chutzpah.

Are you sure, as i said every one has their own agenda, if the necrons run into the imperium of man they will not team up, instead they would literaly attack each other,while star wars united would be stuck inbetween it all, actually if you think of it i think the tau would eventually join the star wars universe.

Every 40k faction would beat 7 shades of gak out of the entire SW galaxy. Its full of soft squeemish people who can't stand violence in any form.

Nids win. No force in SW is capable of the levels of exterminatus needed to curtail the Nid hive fleets. No planet in SW has the orbital or planetary defenses needed to stop a invasion. The sheer amount of wide spread biomass devoured will vastly swell the hive fleets numbers. The rest of 40k is fethed by the galaxy bolstered fleet.

Also, the hive fleet would devourer force sensitives, including the mediclorines (Sp?) which would be adapted to the fleet and you would end up with force sensitive nids. Done and done.

Here we go again.....

I will throw my vote for 40k as always in these discussions.

But I will refrain from bringing up cold hard facts of either end of the conflict as they will be ignored by fans of both universes. Regardless of which universe the facts would support.

Yoda, Herald of Slaanesh. Oh deary.

it really comes down to this....

VS

40k has Doomsday Ships. Go unnoticed, drop Exterminatus, go away. SW has nothing of the sort.

Exterminatus some key planets (Coruscant and some others) and you'll have only the Fleet to care about.

I think those non existent Alpha Legionnaires would screw the SW universe over so hard, what with all of the galactic peace always being held together by tiny threads. Not to mention what happens when you really get the depraved chaos stuff in on it.

You have to remember though, if the fight happens outside the Milky Way, there may not be a Warp for the Warhammer ships to travel through. Since most of the key planets are towards the center of the Star Wars galaxy, anything that cannot travel faster than 1.1c, will be taking 50,000+ years to reach there.

 Happyjew wrote:
You have to remember though, if the fight happens outside the Milky Way, there may not be a Warp for the Warhammer ships to travel through. Since most of the key planets are towards the center of the Star Wars galaxy, anything that cannot travel faster than 1.1c, will be taking 50,000+ years to reach there.

Similarly, Star Wars ships cannot travel without pre-established hyperspace routes (these tend to be thousands of years old) or else they have this habit of bumping into the mass shadow of a black hole or a planet or really anything of substantial size and going kersplat enroute.