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 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Is GW wrong to assume that "that people who play WHFB competitively are nothing more than immature neckbearded manchildren."

Yes.

[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - Alpharius]

They made a terrible system worse. Wut. How?

 Brotherjanus wrote:
These rules are GW giving the finger to people that want to play a serious tournament game. I think they are awesome.

They keep giving the middle finger as sales continue in a declining free fall. Tournament players will ultimately have the last laugh and we won't even have to dance, bow, kneel, or speak to our figures while we do it ..

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


GW has been anti-competitive play for quite some time now, and it's nice to see GW honestly and openly getting back to their roots of what GW wants their business and game to be.

A game for people who giggle when someone says "penis"?

 Sigvatr wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


GW has been anti-competitive play for quite some time now, and it's nice to see GW honestly and openly getting back to their roots of what GW wants their business and game to be.

A game for people who giggle when someone says "penis"?

A game for people who like to snigger every time someone says "but"?

I think they are fine - bit of a laugh and fun and something to get away from the more poe faced aspects of game play.

I do some of these things anyway and apparenttly am more fun to play than Rules lawyer types.

But each to their own

The only one I don't like is the on that requires insutling your opponent - prefer the old magic one where you have to complement him/her or loose the card

I don;t have a moustache or beard or indeed intend to get one
Am older than most people I play agianst.
I don't Dance - Period.
Seldom carry a mirror or goblet

 Melissia wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:


GW has been anti-competitive play for quite some time now, and it's nice to see GW honestly and openly getting back to their roots of what GW wants their business and game to be.

A game for people who giggle when someone says "penis"?

A game for people who like to snigger every time someone says "but"?

The guys in my GW at game night the other day did indeed snigger when a skaven player said of his opponent's cannon shot "and yep, it'll just clip my bell". But I confess that I also found it a little funny

 Chootum wrote:
I think they are hilarious. And every time I see a nerd rage about a silly game, it gives me the feel goods inside GW devs were probably laughing their butts off writing these rules. Brilliant!

And as I pointed out in the main AoS rumour thread; that's nice of them, crafting rules as a middle finger to customers who've supported them for years and decades, without thinking for a moment how it might impact people with ASDs or other social disorders. Yet another barrier to already marginalised people enjoying their hobby: "Brilliant!"

I'm staggered by the number of people who find this acceptable. I can only assume they're trolling the thread.

 RiTides wrote:
JohnHwangDD - This isn't GW "getting back to its roots", rather, it's their new direction. I don't begrudge them it - I will just play Kings of War.

It will be interesting to see how it works out for them, but generally throwing away market share isn't a wise move financially . Fantasy needed a reboot, but their new game has a much narrower target audience. I'll be curious how many people actually stick with it and purchase hundreds or thousands of dollars of models like they do for 40k, or just treat it as a diversion. Financially and with the lack of points / restrictions, GW is clearly aiming for the former... but with no balance I think people will enjoy it as a fun/crazy distraction but not something to really invest in.

I can see people, myself included, though continuing to buy WFB/AoS models for KoW. Because the vast majority look way way better and the KoW basing rules mean you don't need much more than a box of something to make a unit. So even then GW isn't really giving up market share in what matters for fantasy which is model sales.

 Jimsolo wrote:
I'm staggered by the number of people who find this acceptable. I can only assume they're trolling the thread.

I'm also surprised about the amount of people whose opinions are overwhelmingly positive about Age of Sigmar, and I think it's genuine. I can see AoS, these rules included, being fun for some, and fair enough to them, but it's not for me!

I truly mean what I say here:
I am so glad I am investing in other games.
Some may like this direction, glad it worked out for someone.
GW is nuts, I believe them when they say they do no market research.
Kirby must be on the cusp of retirement and does not want the company to survive him.

I could see that too, Hulk, although there has been a huge 3rd party model market for fantasy, with people using them for GW rules. If that now shifts to Kings of War, GW will definitely lose market share, although my army includes a mix of their models and other manufacturers (mostly others, because I'm me ). Whether AoS model sales are enough to make up for that will be interesting...

In this thread:

"Something something toy dollies"

"Something something slowed 5-year old"

Can everyone take a break from their condescension and realize people are in this hobby for different reasons? This game is marketed towards one specific group of players at the total expense of another. Have some respect for each other, geez.

 Brotherjanus wrote:
These rules are GW giving the finger to people that want to play a serious tournament game. I think they are awesome.

We will see who gives who the finger when GW reports its earnings July 28th..... Gonna buy some shares, expecting a bump? You do that... If able, I would short a boatload....

i love these rules. i want to see someone try to set up a tournament for AoS it would be the funniest thing ever! and the fact is for GW 40K sells better so why not make fantasy easier to handle for them so they can focus on 40K fantasy has been dying for a while now as it was to elitist / required to many models to start. i'm looking forward to getting to play this and getting to talk to my invisible horse. heck finally i have an excuse for my beard i need it so i can get my battle standard bearer to be better! if you don;t like it just stick to the last edition. there's enough copy's bouncing around ebay. there is nothing that say's you have to play AoS.

lustigjh wrote:
Can everyone take a break from their condescension and realize people are in this hobby for different reasons? This game is marketed towards one specific group of players at the total expense of another. Have some respect for each other, geez.

I don't know about everyone else, but I've said multiple times that I respect Age of Sigmar for what it is - a fun, casual game for kids that has simplistic and often wacky rules that many will find appealing. That's all well and good, and fair play to all those who will go away and enjoy those rules. However, what I'm not ok with is those same people telling us that we shouldn't be annoyed at AoS and that it's actually a good ruleset, because we have every right to be and, well, AoS is not a good ruleset.

I want to add... I think we can expect management turnover by 2017. There's just too much money at stake for these major institutional investors to let it go if there's quarter after quarter decline.... I have personally been writing letters.

lustigjh wrote:
In this thread:

"Something something toy dollies"

"Something something slowed 5-year old"

Can everyone take a break from their condescension and realize people are in this hobby for different reasons? This game is marketed towards one specific group of players at the total expense of another. Have some respect for each other, geez.

I agree, the extremes of neither side come of well to me, with those in support saying 'deal with it and lighten up', regardless of peoples misgivings which I find myself agreeing with(I find myself personally agreeing with Yohdrim; I have Asperger's Syndrome and will plan on politely asking my opponent to forgo the shouty rules if I ever find myself playing AoS, though I feel I may have an advantage with the mounted Slaanesh lord rule ), and those on the other side who use coarse, often ableist language to attack people they do not know or understand. I, myself? I think I shall try and convince some people to try KoW. It looks like a simple yet better constructed system. In my opinion, at least.

 RiTides wrote:
I could see that too, Hulk, although there has been a huge 3rd party model market for fantasy, with people using them for GW rules. If that now shifts to Kings of War, GW will definitely lose market share, although my army includes a mix of their models and other manufacturers (mostly others, because I'm me ). Whether AoS model sales are enough to make up for that will be interesting...

I do think the question "what market share?" is appropriate. When an entire line sells less than a single product of your other line I'm thinking there isn't much they can lose. I can't remember the last time I saw or heard of someone locally (and we're a pretty big gaming area with even WFB having 2 GT level events a year) starting a new fantasy army. Anything that produces any kind of movement (and I think AoS will) is a going to up the percentage of Fantasy models purchased. Even with people jumping to KoW. In fact I'd argue that having WFB players jump to KoW might actually increase sales as people round out GW WFB armies to match units in KoW. Possibly making their first purchase in quite some time though that's just a guess.

I would be a lot more receptive to this kid's game and it's silly rules had I not sunk thousands of dollars in it over the years.

THAT is what is pissing people off.

The Peal of Doom one is good as flavour text - as a rule that is never cited, but exists to tell the player a bit about Skaven psychology in an amusing fashion.

Most of the others are bad because somebody might actually try to use them.

Wulfric's rule is the worst. It is terrible the way April Fools' Day and Cards Against Humanity are terrible: it gives horrible people plausible deniability for being horrible people.

I've mostly been looking at these and laughing.. because i can never see thnem coming up often oenough to care.. but.. if i want to use my slaaneshhi lord..

Lord of Forbidden Pleasure: It is wise not
to gaze long upon the splendour of a Lord
of Slaanesh, lest terrible notions begin to
form. If an enemy unit finishes its pile in
move within 3" of a Lord of Slaanesh, you
can tell your opponent that they are in
danger of being beguiled. From that point
on, if your opponent looks you in the eye
before the unit has made its hit rolls for
that combat phase, subtract 1 from any of
those rolls which target this model.

Honestly do i really have to do that every time? I don't think i can play this game.

 AlexHolker wrote:
Cards Against Humanity are terrible: it gives horrible people plausible deniability for being horrible people.

Yet when I play Cards Against Humanity, I do so to laugh at that slightly questionable humour with my friends and a few drinks. When I play wargames, however, I do so because I want a tactical against my opponent on a level playing field, not because I want to pretend I'm riding a horse and show off my moustache.

yeah,

 treslibras wrote:

 Amishprn86 wrote:
... I didnt Spend 10k$ on a silly kids game.

Yes, you did. Now grow up.

This^
To me this is hilarious in a german accent!



Panic...

I think these belong in a joke supplement along the lines of MTG Unglued/Unhinged rather than the core rules. And even then it wouldn't hurt to specify that beards and moustaches needn't be real...you know, to help out that rather sizeable section of the population who usually don't have beards...

 RiTides wrote:
JohnHwangDD - This isn't GW "getting back to its roots", rather, it's their new direction. I don't begrudge them it - I will just play Kings of War.

Go check out WFB through 5E - this is definitely getting back to the silliness and bad puns that characterized early Warhammer.


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 Melissia wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Is GW wrong to assume that "that people who play WHFB competitively are nothing more than immature neckbearded manchildren."

Yes.

What the hell is wrong with you?

WTF is wrong with you? You're the one who called a spade a spade, or rather an immature neckbeard manchild a immature neckbeard manchild - those weren't my words, and they weren't GWs. But they are accurate.

 JohnHwangDD wrote:

 RiTides wrote:
JohnHwangDD - This isn't GW "getting back to its roots", rather, it's their new direction. I don't begrudge them it - I will just play Kings of War.

Go check out WFB through 5E - this is definitely getting back to the silliness and bad puns that characterized early Warhammer.

Yep - its proper old Skool Warhammer

 Melissia wrote:

 JohnHwangDD wrote:
Is GW wrong to assume that "that people who play WHFB competitively are nothing more than immature neckbearded manchildren."

Yes.

What the hell is wrong with you?

This is one of those occasions when I have to agree with Melissa. Competitive fantasy has always been fun, and I have never seen some immature neckbeard man-child people speak of.

Besides, even in open and fun non competitive you need some form of balance and Age of Sigmarines does not even include something as basic as a points system, it is literally a 'Bring all you have pay to win' system.

AOS is a TMIR game, where the result ("winning") is far less important than the process ("playing").

If you want balance and competitive play, then Warmahordes is over *there*, with their Page Four "Play like you got a pair" attitude.