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is there any use of the 'key words' section at the bottom of each scroll?

 Hulksmash wrote:
The app is up for the IPAD. Android is still pending.

The App is quite nice. A little buggy (selecting a faction from the warscrolls page after already selecting a previous faction for example), and the 'Rules' part isn't loading, but the 'my battle' section is very nice and should speed up games nicely.

(Still want printed card warscrolls though)

Has anyone got the big fluff book yet? I was expecting more leaks from it... I'm interested in the fluff of the Free Peoples and what the army selection for scenarios is like.

The Division Of Joy wrote:
Another thread about AoS news rendered unreadable by pages of

'this game is rubbish'

'Moaners are rubbish'

'My opinion beats your opinion'

Sterling work.

Hahaha love this! +1 sir!

 bubber wrote:
is there any use of the 'key words' section at the bottom of each scroll?

Yeah, special rules might impact all modelsq with a certain keyword. Also, if you want to place restrictions on your game (or compare armies) you can go, you have 5 warmachines and I have 7.

 Bottle wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
The app is up for the IPAD. Android is still pending.

The App is quite nice. A little buggy (selecting a faction from the warscrolls page after already selecting a previous faction for example), and the 'Rules' part isn't loading, but the 'my battle' section is very nice and should speed up games nicely.

(Still want printed card warscrolls though)

Has anyone got the big fluff book yet? I was expecting more leaks from it... I'm interested in the fluff of the Free Peoples and what the army selection for scenarios is like.

The fluff book is pretty nice! Quite liking that the Orcs decide to help Sigmar, but then get bored and just set about fighting everyone lol.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Bottle wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
The app is up for the IPAD. Android is still pending.

The App is quite nice. A little buggy (selecting a faction from the warscrolls page after already selecting a previous faction for example), and the 'Rules' part isn't loading, but the 'my battle' section is very nice and should speed up games nicely.

(Still want printed card warscrolls though)

Has anyone got the big fluff book yet? I was expecting more leaks from it... I'm interested in the fluff of the Free Peoples and what the army selection for scenarios is like.

The fluff book is pretty nice! Quite liking that the Orcs decide to help Sigmar, but then get bored and just set about fighting everyone lol.

Ugh, really? What else, did the Dwarfs and Elves have a lovely tea party and make up, but then one of the Elves refused to pass the sugar cubes when asked so they fell out again?

 Wyzilla wrote:
Yknow after the rules it feels fairly petty, but one of my biggest turn-offs regarding Age of Sigmarine are the helmets of the Sigmarines. They just look so.... dull and boring with the death masks. It's like an army of Blood Angels with those sanguinary guard helmets and no alternative. When creating a fantasy version of Space Marines GW appears to have forgotten that Space Marines are popular for their customization.



Looking at the sprues, these Sigmarines are anything but customizable.

The heads for most of the liberators and the relict or are individual parts that are the same size as space marine necks. I gave my relict or a DA hooded head.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Overall the game is actually a lot of fun and very solid. And I feel people claiming it comes down to luck or that it always turns into a scrum in the middle and there aren't tactics are wrong.

I respect your opinion but fail to see where would this tactics come from. All I see is some shoot out of cc shenaningans and special rules interactions but imo the former is very immersion breaking and weird and the latter is done better in many other rulesets, the most obvious example being Warmachine. The rest of the system is extremly barebone, ofc you have to properly divide the workload for attacks or objectives or choose right paper for the rock but that's basic point and click rts-ish stuff that every other game out there does as well. The difference would be that almost all games out there do skirmish stuff better and all unit based games do units stuff better while requiring much less houseruling, gentleman's agreement, common decency, mutual understanding, consciousness and love.

There are some tactics ofc, as long as there's movement, charge bonus, terrain, unit types etc you always have tactics. They seem to be a side effect here not a designers effort though and people will hit a skill ceiling fast.

Plumbumbarum wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Overall the game is actually a lot of fun and very solid. And I feel people claiming it comes down to luck or that it always turns into a scrum in the middle and there aren't tactics are wrong.

I respect your opinion but fail to see where would this tactics come from. All I see is some shoot out of cc shenaningans and special rules interactions but imo the former is very immersion breaking and weird and the latter is done better in many other rulesets, the most obvious example being Warmachine. The rest of the system is extremly barebone, ofc you have to properly divide the workload for attacks or objectives or choose right paper for the rock but that's basic point and click rts-ish stuff that every other game out there does as well. The difference would be that almost all games out there do skirmish stuff better and all unit based games do units stuff better while requiring much less houseruling, gentleman's agreement, common decency, mutual understanding, consciousness and love.

There are some tactics ofc, as long as there's movement, charge bonus, terrain, unit types etc you always have tactics. They seem to be a side effect here not a designers effort though and people will hit a skill ceiling fast.

I respect your opinion as well. But you act like there were more extensive tactics in WFB previously. Outside of bonuses for flanking you're describing the same factors that people called tactics in WFB. Proper movement, deployment, target priority, screening, baiting, fleeing, and such are still there. With the added effect of power houses like monsters, characters, and support units being harder to hide and more open to damage. I don't think the ceiling is as low as you think it is.

People say the same thing about 40k and yet the same group of guys have dominated the upper levels of 40k for the last 2-3 years.

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MacMuckles wrote:

 Motograter wrote:

Nocturnus wrote:

 Motograter wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

 Motograter wrote:
Well F- me someone hates AoS by going to their local gw and smashing the window out with their car lol

Maybe they saw the price of the new Liberators and thought it was easier than robbing a jewelry store.

Perhaps but they aren't all that badly priced

LOL, really? This mentality is exactly why GW gets away with gouging it's customer base.

Lol really. Well only if you feel you're being gouged or actually still buying from gw direct which would be your own fault for not using online discounters

What kind of an excuse is this? It shouldn't be a ridiculous expectation for the goods you buy to be reasonably priced when buying from the source :/ The fact remains is that even with discounters, you're still paying $7-9 for basic foot sloggers.
Also, way to place the blame on the customer. "It's your fault if you didn't know about cheap online retailers that have a limited presence on the internet" Honestly, whenever I see a comment like this it makes me mad because it's always written in a tone that mocks those who may not be aware of these options: "I know all about these discount retailers but I won't mention any specific company because it's more important that I act all smug instead of trying to provide help to someone"
So who are these secret retailers? Care to actually provide a company name or link or would you rather continue on with "your fault for buying from the one option that's been presented to you" bit?

Its no excuse. Its also not anyone's problem. Get over yourself. Retailer wise element games, slayer wargames, the outpost happy? Smug for pointing out the internet and alternative retailers exist. Hell they are even sometimes advertised here on this very site. Its not my fault if folks cant either look for cheaper options which in this day and age no one has an excuse not to look online. Boo boo you don't agree

Exactly! You nailed it. I find it funny the excuses fanboys will go to, to justify GW's nonsense. Yes they make nice models. But at $12CDN a piece, for "troops"? That borders on lunacy, seeing that GW "realized" the big dollar buy in for the old WFB game. I keep trying to like AOS, I really do. But between the lack of balance, poorly written rules and new levels of pricing insanity, it makes me wonder what they're smoking...

Boy the Canucks are out in force. Fanboy lmao, take a look at my posts mate and tell me how I'm a fanboy. Maybe open your eyes to see I'm not. Old fantasy and 40k suck so much. If it wasn't for AoS gw would still be no use to me. Unfortunately for some coughyouandsomeotherscough people legitimately like AoS and are fed up with smart ass comments and rubbish being posted by some who seemingly need their hands held to play a game. Seemingly being an adult and maybe having to think outside the box is hard for some folk. Oh and by the way there is an ignore button

 Yodhrin wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Bottle wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
The app is up for the IPAD. Android is still pending.

The App is quite nice. A little buggy (selecting a faction from the warscrolls page after already selecting a previous faction for example), and the 'Rules' part isn't loading, but the 'my battle' section is very nice and should speed up games nicely.

(Still want printed card warscrolls though)

Has anyone got the big fluff book yet? I was expecting more leaks from it... I'm interested in the fluff of the Free Peoples and what the army selection for scenarios is like.

The fluff book is pretty nice! Quite liking that the Orcs decide to help Sigmar, but then get bored and just set about fighting everyone lol.

Ugh, really? What else, did the Dwarfs and Elves have a lovely tea party and make up, but then one of the Elves refused to pass the sugar cubes when asked so they fell out again?

I believe you gentlemen mean Aelfs, Orruk and Durrrrradin.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Bottle wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
The app is up for the IPAD. Android is still pending.

The App is quite nice. A little buggy (selecting a faction from the warscrolls page after already selecting a previous faction for example), and the 'Rules' part isn't loading, but the 'my battle' section is very nice and should speed up games nicely.

(Still want printed card warscrolls though)

Has anyone got the big fluff book yet? I was expecting more leaks from it... I'm interested in the fluff of the Free Peoples and what the army selection for scenarios is like.

The fluff book is pretty nice! Quite liking that the Orcs decide to help Sigmar, but then get bored and just set about fighting everyone lol.

Ugh, really? What else, did the Dwarfs and Elves have a lovely tea party and make up, but then one of the Elves refused to pass the sugar cubes when asked so they fell out again?

Well, Sigmar did have to beat Gorkamorka into doing as they're told first. Orcs respect strength after all.

So, Sigmar just goes around beating up other Gods?

That sucks. Any confrontation between actual legit gods should be a cataclysmic, world altering event. It also sucks if Sigmar is just tougher than all the other gods because of plot armour. 40K had the problem of every other faction just being cannon fodder for the imperium (and especially Space Marine) fans to masturbate over as they died, very sad to see Fantasy going the same way when it originally had a much more balanced approach to the background (if anything Chaos was the stupidly powerful faction in Fantasy).

I'm not motivated to read the background, but what I hear does not enthuse me whatsoever.

 Da Boss wrote:
So, Sigmar just goes around beating up other Gods?

That sucks. Any confrontation between actual legit gods should be a cataclysmic, world altering event. It also sucks if Sigmar is just tougher than all the other gods because of plot armour. 40K had the problem of every other faction just being cannon fodder for the imperium (and especially Space Marine) fans to masturbate over as they died, very sad to see Fantasy going the same way when it originally had a much more balanced approach to the background (if anything Chaos was the stupidly powerful faction in Fantasy).

I'm not motivated to read the background, but what I hear does not enthuse me whatsoever.

Not really. He has Tyrion, Teclis, Malerion, Grimnir and Grungni on side as well as Gorkamorka for a brief period. He does have a pop at Nagash, but that doesn't really pan out, what with him being a notoriously evil dick and all lol. Basically Nagash has apparently made some sort of deal with the Chaos gods for them to leave his realm alone. He worked with Sigmar for a time only to betray him later on.

Tyrion and Teclis go off to try and find out what happened to their race as they are currently lost somewhere.

 Talys wrote:

 bubber wrote:
is there any use of the 'key words' section at the bottom of each scroll?

Yeah, special rules might impact all modelsq with a certain keyword. Also, if you want to place restrictions on your game (or compare armies) you can go, you have 5 warmachines and I have 7.

Cheers Talys

 Da Boss wrote:
So, Sigmar just goes around beating up other Gods?

That sucks. Any confrontation between actual legit gods should be a cataclysmic, world altering event. It also sucks if Sigmar is just tougher than all the other gods because of plot armour. 40K had the problem of every other faction just being cannon fodder for the imperium (and especially Space Marine) fans to masturbate over as they died, very sad to see Fantasy going the same way when it originally had a much more balanced approach to the background (if anything Chaos was the stupidly powerful faction in Fantasy).

I'm not motivated to read the background, but what I hear does not enthuse me whatsoever.

Not exactly - He is revived by the Dragon God / Spirit that is the void - and then he revives or finds various characters / gods - so he brings back a couple but most come back on their own - Nagash is imprisoned by unknown forces as are the Dwarf Ancestor Gods - Malkeith seems to sort of come back on his own and find Morathi but Alarielle seems to be awakened by Sigmar. The Gork/Mork entity is only impressed to join up when Sigmar manages to fight him to a standstill - neither win but neither are defeated.

In order to survive the initial Chaos onslaughts and rebuild worlds, the Gods reluctantly unite but slowly drift apart - Gorkamorka gtes bored and starts being Orky and rampaging, the Elves try to capture Slaanesh to relase their own Kind (I think), Alarielle is only interested in bringing her own realm to life, rebirthing old forms of life such as Dryads and Treemen and nuturing it/them. Nagash and Sigmar have a major fight which weakens both sides when Chaos coems in force and everyhtinig goes to hell. Sigmar is driven back to his realm and the others are lost for the most part except for hidden surivivors and strongholds.

There is a sense of new hope in the fluff - more like the Great Crusade before the HH.......... btu without the Xenophobia and also a sense of lots of stuff going on we don't know about - its stated that the whole "capture" of Slaanesh is a Tzeentch plot but how and what actually occurs is not stated - especialyl since before that point Malekeith, (Morathi?) and Tyrion/Teclis embark on this there are no Elves anywhere - simply the feeling that there are some somewhere in torment - but there are definately elves later......

I have found it interesting and want to see where its going......

Oh and Sigmar's pad is fething huge by the way... like giant Asgard-esque city orbiting the remains of the Old World. Also, Ghal Maraz is lost and Grimnir makes Sigmar a shiny new beat stick.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Oh and Sigmar's pad is fething huge by the way... like giant Asgard-esque city orbiting the remains of the Old World. Also, Ghal Maraz is lost and Grimnir makes Sigmar a shiny new beat stick.

Indeed from "Ask Josh reyonolds":

These realms are insanely VAST and the writers (or me, at least) have been encouraged to make stuff up, when it comes to the geography and peoples--Klaxus, for instance, is a blend of ancient Meroe, Cambodia and the Aztec empire, rather than being not-Germany.
Basically, each of the realms is the size of multiple WHF worlds, and some of them shift and warp in places at the inclination of their patrons (the Realms of Life and Death, for instance...). So the only limit to cultures/kingdoms/etc. is, to employ a cliche, your imagination.

Sigmar 's place...

Yep basically a fantasy Ringworld

Also the Storm of Sigmar campaign features some nice stuff like rewards for Chaos guys

D6 Results:

1 Spawndom- Your general suffers D3 mortal wounds. If he snuffs it he's reborn into an 'orrible gribbly Chaos Spawn

2 Daemonic Warband- The Chaos gods send you some Daemons, but they can't be Heroes or Monsters (so I'm guessing stuff like Bloodthirsters and Chaos Lords/Champions is a no go here?)

3 Daemonic Regiment- the Gods send you 1 unit of Daemons- can't be Heroes.

4 Champion of Chaos- the Gods send you 1 unit of Daemons of any type

5 Battalion of Chaos D3 units of Daemons but you can't have more than 1 Hero or more than 1 Monster.

6 Chaos Legion- D6 Units of Daemons but you can't have more than 1 Hero or Monster.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Sigmar 's place...

That actually looks pretty cool.

I don't so much mind the idea of Sigmar just having fights with other gods without some great cataclysm. Reminds me of the way gods and giants fight in Norse mythology, sorta Low key (pun not intended).

 3AcresAndATau wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Sigmar 's place...

That actually looks pretty cool.

I don't so much mind the idea of Sigmar just having fights with other gods without some great cataclysm. Reminds me of the way gods and giants fight in Norse mythology, sorta Low key (pun not intended).

Indeed - or pretty much all the major mythlogical traditions

If you play anyone under the Order or Destruction types you can do this (lazy iPad screenshot to save me typing all that lot)

Everything I've read about the fluff over the last pages makes all the characters sound like comic book super heroes. GW have seen the success of Marvel in the cinema and they're trying to replicate it in their background.

It doesn't appeal to me.

Fair enough.

Yeah... all of that turns me off of the setting even more, which I didn't think was possible. Setting up each realm like a friggin' Minecraft world with as much space and as many kingdoms as your heart desires just feels like the writers didn't care enough to figure it out themselves.

It feels like they're trying to port over as much of 40K as possible, without really trying to make sense of what's popular or how it all makes sense together. At least in 40K, the "infinite civilizations" bit makes sense, since you're working with an entire galaxy with functionally unlimited planets. Here, any inconsistency or plot hole is filled in with "magic!!!" like it's spackle. Killed off a character that you want to use again? Bring him back with magic! Need new cultures/landmasses/battlefields? Infinitely large magic realms! Desperately trying to sell more of the only thing you know works (space marines)? Shoehorn in reskinned versions of marines, made with magic! It's all so jumbled and lazy.

Also, can we subpoena Josh Reynolds next time GW tries to claim it invented everything?

Does anyone else find it weirdd we are getting pictures and war scrolls for Judicators, but no info on when we can order them? usually GW tries to hide shots of models not yet released. I have not been too excited with this release wave. We get a gret starter box, then 2 more of the same models (albeit with different rules) and 1 box of stuff we got 2 units of in the starter box.


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I also found it weird they would give out a second version of the warscrolls for Liberators. Why not just put the different weapon options in the original warscroll and be done with it. Just seems weird. I am thinking about getting some of the terrain for my FLGS though. They look nice and have some fun impacts on the game.

NAVARRO wrote:
Talked with the store manager and he confirmed that soon enough there will be bases for sale in case you want to rebase your current WFB armies...

Hmm. The 32mm bases were on sale in my local before AoS was released... or were they out already for space marines?

angelofvengeance wrote:

The Division Of Joy wrote:
Another thread about AoS news rendered unreadable by pages of

'this game is rubbish'

'Moaners are rubbish'

'My opinion beats your opinion'

Sterling work.

Hahaha love this! +1 sir!

How about, 'People having opinions are rubbish, nevermind I've jumped in with my own plenty of times.'

Yeah, sincne Blood Angels we've seen 32mm for jump pack and now with Vanilla Marines we've seen 32mm for devastator squads as well. I think the Cult Mechanicus Tech Priest was also 32mm. I'm starting to wonder if all 40k going forward will be 32mm.