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 angelofvengeance wrote:
Sigmar 's place...

Is Azyrheim a different city, or is that Azyrheim? What about the Celestial Realm? It's not some sort of pseudo-space setting, is it?

 Malika2 wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Sigmar 's place...

Hmm...

"That island is shaped like our number four. Really makes you think..."

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
I guess smelly penitents in rags fared better than the men in tight brigades when it came to who survived the end of the universe.

Age of Sigmar takes place millennia after the End Times, after the rise and fall of numerous civilizations, any number of which may have been grander and lasted longer than the Old World's Empire. And they only rate a passing mention in the background section.

For all we know, all the humans in the AOS universe are descended from Tileans.

How does that work, since the Tileans(and Estalians) were wiped out "off screen" by the Skaven during the End Times?

There's no real question here, GW haven't thought carefully about this beyond, as you say, they purposefully wrote AoS to be as distant and disconnected from real Warhammer as possible; there are Flagellants and War Altars in the pics because GW still sell those models, and they'll keep selling them until either they produce newshiny "Free Peoples" miniatures, or until they think they've driven away enough of the old guard that nobody cares about real Warhammer any more and just stop making them, all the while talking out the side of their faces to assure us that they'll keep supporting those races & models because, afterall, didn't they generously give us all those free Warscrolls?

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Sigmar 's place...

So he built a space dock around a sun then, fantastic.

Age of Sigmar happens 29 thousand years after the End Times. That puts it right around... 30k? 29.5?

There are no prizes for guessing they are trying to force a link to 40k.

After all the reason that slaanesh is not around is because the eldar sucked him off into the 40K realm ;-)

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
There are no prizes for guessing they are trying to force a link to 40k.

After all the reason that slaanesh is not around is because the eldar sucked him off into the 40K realm ;-)

That doesn't make sense. If Slaanesh is removed from Fantasy/AoS to show up in 40K, why are Nurgle, Khorne, etc.. in both? And why would the End Times coincide with the birth of Christ to synch AoS-time with the Gregorian Calendar?

Slaanesh was forcibly manifested into the realm by the eldar psyche unlike they other gods. Note the AoS fluff where slaanesh is trapped following devouring a glut of souls (eldar souls).

As for the greogorian stuff, well the emperor of mankind is St.george ;-)

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Slaanesh was forcibly manifested into the realm by the eldar psyche unlike they other gods. Note the AoS fluff where slaanesh is trapped following devouring a glut of souls (eldar souls).

Wait? So he passed over to 40K due to the Eldar Fall. Glutted himself on Eldar souls, went back to AoS, got trapped there because he was fat and glutted and send back to 40K again?

Wonderwolf wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Slaanesh was forcibly manifested into the realm by the eldar psyche unlike they other gods. Note the AoS fluff where slaanesh is trapped following devouring a glut of souls (eldar souls).

Wait? So he passed over to 40K due to the Eldar Fall. Glutted himself on Eldar souls, went back to AoS, got trapped there because he was fat and glutted and send back to 40K again?

Fan theories are like that. The canon is That Slaanesh is hiding and refuses to come out until you spend more money. Excessive amounts of money.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
I guess smelly penitents in rags fared better than the men in tight brigades when it came to who survived the end of the universe.

Age of Sigmar takes place millennia after the End Times, after the rise and fall of numerous civilizations, any number of which may have been grander and lasted longer than the Old World's Empire. And they only rate a passing mention in the background section.

For all we know, all the humans in the AOS universe are descended from Tileans.

How does that work, since the Tileans(and Estalians) were wiped out "off screen" by the Skaven during the End Times?

There's no real question here, GW haven't thought carefully about this beyond, as you say, they purposefully wrote AoS to be as distant and disconnected from real Warhammer as possible; there are Flagellants and War Altars in the pics because GW still sell those models, and they'll keep selling them until either they produce newshiny "Free Peoples" miniatures, or until they think they've driven away enough of the old guard that nobody cares about real Warhammer any more and just stop making them, all the while talking out the side of their faces to assure us that they'll keep supporting those races & models because, afterall, didn't they generously give us all those free Warscrolls?

They did? well that's completely stupid and irritates me more about the whole thing.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
Fan theories are like that. The canon is That Slaanesh is hiding and refuses to come out until you spend more money. Excessive amounts of money.

All the exalts... if only they worked like other forums instead of just bumping the thread popularity...

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Wonderwolf wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Slaanesh was forcibly manifested into the realm by the eldar psyche unlike they other gods. Note the AoS fluff where slaanesh is trapped following devouring a glut of souls (eldar souls).

Wait? So he passed over to 40K due to the Eldar Fall. Glutted himself on Eldar souls, went back to AoS, got trapped there because he was fat and glutted and send back to 40K again?

Fan theories are like that. The canon is That Slaanesh is hiding and refuses to come out until you spend more money. Excessive amounts of money.

Bravo! Have an exalt.

Stuff like this is why I avoid fluff.. How do you fast forward thousands of years and still be stuck in the medieval era? Am I missing something?

Chopxsticks wrote:
Stuff like this is why I avoid fluff.. How do you fast forward thousands of years and still be stuck in the medieval era? Am I missing something?

Took humans a good while to get to where we are now tech wise... Plus I doubt there's been much time for inventing things if everyone's been busy dying.


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 streamdragon wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Sigmar 's place...

So he built a space dock around a sun then, fantastic.

I think that's supposed to be the Old World, Mallus

Chopxsticks wrote:
Stuff like this is why I avoid fluff.. How do you fast forward thousands of years and still be stuck in the medieval era? Am I missing something?

It's a bit like having Mordheim be set something like 500 years before the (then) current Warhammer era, but still having the same tech. It's like making a wargame seting during the Reformation and letting characters carry sub-machine guns.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

Chopxsticks wrote:
Stuff like this is why I avoid fluff.. How do you fast forward thousands of years and still be stuck in the medieval era? Am I missing something?

Took humans a good while to get to where we are now tech wise... Plus I doubt there's been much time for inventing things if everyone's been busy dying.


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 streamdragon wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Sigmar 's place...

So he built a space dock around a sun then, fantastic.

I think that's supposed to be the Old World, Mallus

Everyone dying is actually a wonderful reason to advance tech. Look at WW2 and all of history. We're really good at dreaming up ways of eliminating one another.

WW2 and the rest of history was not an apocalypse scenario. Not everybody was dying (there were plenty of people back home not dying to advance tech).

Whereas in this case, everybody is dying.

Plus, when you're a refugee in the realm of Azyr and Sigmar is literally shaping the universe at a whim, what technology are you going to invent?

Rihgu wrote:
WW2 and the rest of history was not an apocalypse scenario. Not everybody was dying (there were plenty of people back home not dying to advance tech).

Whereas in this case, everybody is dying.

Plus, when you're a refugee in the realm of Azyr and Sigmar is literally shaping the universe at a whim, what technology are you going to invent?

Bigger shoulder pads?

 Talys wrote:

Rihgu wrote:
WW2 and the rest of history was not an apocalypse scenario. Not everybody was dying (there were plenty of people back home not dying to advance tech).

Whereas in this case, everybody is dying.

Plus, when you're a refugee in the realm of Azyr and Sigmar is literally shaping the universe at a whim, what technology are you going to invent?

Bigger shoulder pads?

Don't be silly, this isn't Warmachine! Our shoulderpads are large enough, and as imposing as Vlad and his might pauldrons are I don't think GW need be intimidated... for the time being...

I just grabbed WD77 today. The way that they combined 2 Archways to make a squared building is actually pretty cool, and like a lot of the cities of death buildings, the archway has a second level for models.

I may have to buy 2 :X

The Lord Castellant looks really nice, way better than the Lord Celestant (could the names be any more similar, GW?!?!). And of course, I love Baleful Realmgates. I wonder how the pricing was set: the Realmgates is a lot more expensive than the Archway, yet both look same size-ish (I mean, not directly, but in the same category of terrain size).


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Rihgu wrote:

Don't be silly, this isn't Warmachine! Our shoulderpads are large enough, and as imposing as Vlad and his might pauldrons are I don't think GW need be intimidated... for the time being...

LOL! yeah Vlad has quite the shoulders hehehe. Puts a terminator to shame!

yes, Lord Castellant is looking awesome!!!
that Gryph-Hound is calling to me...
these two are my favorite AoS minis, so far...

now to wait impatiently to see how the Red Slayers sprues will look...

cheers
jah

Chopxsticks wrote:
Stuff like this is why I avoid fluff.. How do you fast forward thousands of years and still be stuck in the medieval era? Am I missing something?

Destruction of civilization and domination by the chaos gods for several thousand years? And not making the assumption that technology keeps a pace similar to the real world.

In any fantasy world, if you assume technological progression, then 1000 year old elves should be splicing DNA. But they aren't, because it's fantasy. Look at LOTR from which most fantasy derives. The elves are hundreds and thousands of years old. Each individual elf, not just the culture.


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 Yodhrin wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
I guess smelly penitents in rags fared better than the men in tight brigades when it came to who survived the end of the universe.

Age of Sigmar takes place millennia after the End Times, after the rise and fall of numerous civilizations, any number of which may have been grander and lasted longer than the Old World's Empire. And they only rate a passing mention in the background section.

For all we know, all the humans in the AOS universe are descended from Tileans.

How does that work, since the Tileans(and Estalians) were wiped out "off screen" by the Skaven during the End Times?

There's no real question here, GW haven't thought carefully about this beyond, as you say, they purposefully wrote AoS to be as distant and disconnected from real Warhammer as possible; there are Flagellants and War Altars in the pics because GW still sell those models, and they'll keep selling them until either they produce newshiny "Free Peoples" miniatures, or until they think they've driven away enough of the old guard that nobody cares about real Warhammer any more and just stop making them, all the while talking out the side of their faces to assure us that they'll keep supporting those races & models because, afterall, didn't they generously give us all those free Warscrolls?

I don't get what's so hard to understand. (Well, other than people making it hard on purpose.)

There is the old world with it's stories. We fought battles with characters that in the chronology were long dead. No one complained if you fought Grom the Paunch vs Karl Franz. Grom died long ago, documented in both orc and elf army books.
We use the characters and the stories in our battles, and don't worry about how they fit together.

Then we have the end times. More stories, everyone dies. Except I can still play 8th edition and use characters that died in the end times next to ones that died a thousand years before.

Now Age of Sigmar. Instead of saying "Sod off, use new Sigmarine or Chaos models, or don't play!", they said "Here's free rules to use all your old models in the new game, have fun". Fight with old characters and new models. . Not a problem. The stories for age of sigmar will slowly unwind and we'll get new models. And still be able to mix the old ones in. Still able to play end times, and Tamurkhan, and 8th edition, or any other Edition.

 mikhaila wrote:

Now Age of Sigmar. Instead of saying "Sod off, use new Sigmarine or Chaos models, or don't play!", they said "Here's free rules to use all your old models in the new game, have fun". Fight with old characters and new models. . Not a problem. The stories for age of sigmar will slowly unwind and we'll get new models. And still be able to mix the old ones in. Still able to play end times, and Tamurkhan, and 8th edition, or any other Edition.

Well..... at least until they remove the models/armies as they are written out or replaced.

You can't claim that the current set of "Free" warscrolls aren't only an attempt to not piss off every single player with older armies, until time they see fit to outright replace them all.

Sure, they're all there..... for now.

They are saying "sod off", just not all at once.

 TalonZahn wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:

Now Age of Sigmar. Instead of saying "Sod off, use new Sigmarine or Chaos models, or don't play!", they said "Here's free rules to use all your old models in the new game, have fun". Fight with old characters and new models. . Not a problem. The stories for age of sigmar will slowly unwind and we'll get new models. And still be able to mix the old ones in. Still able to play end times, and Tamurkhan, and 8th edition, or any other Edition.

Well..... at least until they remove the models/armies as they are written out or replaced.

You can't claim that the current set of "Free" warscrolls aren't only an attempt to not piss off every single player with older armies, until time they see fit to outright replace them all.

Sure, they're all there..... for now.

They are saying "sod off", just not all at once.

And they kind of are hinting you should sod off when they make most of the older armies do stupid crap at the gaming table to get bonuses, while shockingly the new armies don't suggest you should look like a buffoon at the gaming table.

But yeah, the incoming slow phase out of the old armies is basically a giant "sod off", just kind of a slow wave of middle fingers instead of a giant inflatable one going down main street.

 streamdragon wrote:

 TalonZahn wrote:

 mikhaila wrote:

Now Age of Sigmar. Instead of saying "Sod off, use new Sigmarine or Chaos models, or don't play!", they said "Here's free rules to use all your old models in the new game, have fun". Fight with old characters and new models. . Not a problem. The stories for age of sigmar will slowly unwind and we'll get new models. And still be able to mix the old ones in. Still able to play end times, and Tamurkhan, and 8th edition, or any other Edition.

Well..... at least until they remove the models/armies as they are written out or replaced.

You can't claim that the current set of "Free" warscrolls aren't only an attempt to not piss off every single player with older armies, until time they see fit to outright replace them all.

Sure, they're all there..... for now.

They are saying "sod off", just not all at once.

And they kind of are hinting you should sod off when they make most of the older armies do stupid crap at the gaming table to get bonuses, while shockingly the new armies don't suggest you should look like a buffoon at the gaming table.

But yeah, the incoming slow phase out of the old armies is basically a giant "sod off", just kind of a slow wave of middle fingers instead of a giant inflatable one going down main street.

That, and they will probably destroy the molds, commiting what I see as a crime against gamer-kind.

Honestly, I'm such an A-hole that I love Wulfrik's rule. And Settra's is kind of obnoxiously funny. But the beard/mustache ones that are misogynistic suck.

I also kind of want to bring a pole with me anywhere I game and whip out the Masque. See how uncomfortable I can make my opponent!!
Tournament at Mikhaila's store, here I come!!

 Malika2 wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Sigmar 's place...

Hmm...

Spoiler:

I propose we call this, "SigMars".

- H8

Hatemonger wrote:

 Malika2 wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Sigmar 's place...

Hmm...

Spoiler:

I propose we call this, "SigMars".

- H8

Exalted. i am laughing way too hard right now.

Any rumors going around on the launch of playable, balanced rules for this train wreck. I pity tournament organizers.