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The Division Of Joy wrote:
More arguing and richard-waving in a NandR thread. Take it elsewhere please.

[MOD EDIT - RULE #1 - ALPHARIUS]

-- but coming back on topic any rumours on the realm of metal... I am pretty sure its run by Obama and dwarfs, anything else anyone has heard?

MongooseMatt wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I genuinely can't see any point to that style of play.

Seriously?

I get that there are people who won't like this approach, but you really cannot see the point? Have a few beers, push some models round the table and roll dice? Absolutely no stress over rules or tournament placings, just a laid back weekend playing a few games?

You really cannot see why there may be some people who find that attractive?

Plenty of people like campaign weekends, that's how places like Wargames Holiday Centre operate, but usually there is some kind of objective and purpose to the campaign.

This one kind of sounds like you pay GW money to go and play several random games. Frankly it isn't hard to do that without paying GW for the privilege.

However, let's not pre-judge. Possibly there is a well-thought out strategic background to the whole thing.

If everyone could PLEASE make more of an effort to stay ON TOPIC and POLITE (RULE #1) it would be great appreciated.

And yes, this is an Official In Thread Warning.

Skaven re packs, multi part blood reavers and book two supposedly coming soon

Don't the gw campaign 'tournaments' actually influence the lore of the world going forward? that was sort of the idea of the campaigns, Paying GW for the privilege to influence the fate of the story is actually pretty interesting to some folks I reckon. And a pretty awesome idea for a story driven system right?

NickOnwezen wrote:
Don't the gw campaign 'tournaments' actually influence the lore of the world going forward? that was sort of the idea of the campaigns, Paying GW for the privilege to influence the fate of the story is actually pretty interesting to some folks I reckon. And a pretty awesome idea for a story driven system right?

That would be new. They've never done it in the past.

There was one campaign back around 2002-2003 that was supposed to do that, but GW ignored the campaign results after it was completed. (If I remember correctly, forces of destruction were massively victorious in that campaign.)

Saldiven wrote:

NickOnwezen wrote:
Don't the gw campaign 'tournaments' actually influence the lore of the world going forward? that was sort of the idea of the campaigns, Paying GW for the privilege to influence the fate of the story is actually pretty interesting to some folks I reckon. And a pretty awesome idea for a story driven system right?

That would be new. They've never done it in the past.

There was one campaign back around 2002-2003 that was supposed to do that, but GW ignored the campaign results after it was completed. (If I remember correctly, forces of destruction were massively victorious in that campaign.)

No, they weren't. They had re-write the entire story because the Chaos forces got utterly crushed on every single campaign front! If they actually were to have written the Storm of Chaos to follow how the games actually worked out, Chaos would never haven even made it anywhere close to Middenhiem.

Experiment 626 wrote:

Saldiven wrote:

NickOnwezen wrote:
Don't the gw campaign 'tournaments' actually influence the lore of the world going forward? that was sort of the idea of the campaigns, Paying GW for the privilege to influence the fate of the story is actually pretty interesting to some folks I reckon. And a pretty awesome idea for a story driven system right?

That would be new. They've never done it in the past.

There was one campaign back around 2002-2003 that was supposed to do that, but GW ignored the campaign results after it was completed. (If I remember correctly, forces of destruction were massively victorious in that campaign.)

No, they weren't. They had re-write the entire story because the Chaos forces got utterly crushed on every single campaign front! If they actually were to have written the Storm of Chaos to follow how the games actually worked out, Chaos would never haven even made it anywhere close to Middenhiem.

I believe Saldiven is thinking of the 40K campaign, whose name is slipping my mind at the moment. IIRC, the forces of Chaos rolled over the Imperials and would've eaten Cadia (literally or metaphorically) if GW had used the results from the campaign. Instead, they threw them out to preserve the status quo.

I would be curious if this is GW's plan, especially curious to see how they manage the actual games. Presumably scenarios with very strict limits on what to bring, which is rather ironic considering the philosophy of AoS. Otherwise the fate of the story would be in the hands of armies mixed from order-chaos, board filling tides of collections, and game-breaking combinations.

Though it would be interesting to see how they write the lore on how Kairos Fateweaver and a Bray Shaman defeated the mighty legions of Sigmar single-handed.

The 13th black crusade. Chaos trounced the imperial armies. GW were not happy, Andy chambers left not after due to gw squatting the results and resetting the 40k timeline to just before the 13th black crusade started

 Motograter wrote:
The 13th black crusade. Chaos trounced the imperial armies. GW were not happy, Andy chambers left not after due to gw squatting the results and resetting the 40k timeline to just before the 13th black crusade started

Don't forget about the Storm of Chaos campaign in WHFB. That was like the End Times before they did the End Times and they retconned it to be meaningless.

 Motograter wrote:
The 13th black crusade. Chaos trounced the imperial armies. GW were not happy, Andy chambers left not after due to gw squatting the results and resetting the 40k timeline to just before the 13th black crusade started

Andy leaving GW had nothing to do with Chaos trouncing Imperial armies or the nerfing of Chaos. Citation needed.

 Motograter wrote:
The 13th black crusade. Chaos trounced the imperial armies. GW were not happy, Andy chambers left not after due to gw squatting the results and resetting the 40k timeline to just before the 13th black crusade started

Didn't the BFG results go completely the other way, though? The way I hear it, Chaos won the ground war, but the Imperials control the space around Cadia...which would be a long-term losing proposition for Chaos.

Cadian Blood, the novel, refers to a Chaos-occupied Cadia, so the results weren't completely thrown out.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Motograter wrote:
The 13th black crusade. Chaos trounced the imperial armies. GW were not happy, Andy chambers left not after due to gw squatting the results and resetting the 40k timeline to just before the 13th black crusade started

Didn't the BFG results go completely the other way, though? The way I hear it, Chaos won the ground war, but the Imperials control the space around Cadia...which would be a long-term losing proposition for Chaos.

Cadian Blood, the novel, refers to a Chaos-occupied Cadia, so the results weren't completely thrown out.

Having just reread Cadian Blood, it's not "a Chaos-occupied Cadia" but a "Chaos-overrun Cadia".

Two very different concepts. One suggests that Cadia has been basically nullified as an Imperial stronghold while the other does not.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Motograter wrote:
The 13th black crusade. Chaos trounced the imperial armies. GW were not happy, Andy chambers left not after due to gw squatting the results and resetting the 40k timeline to just before the 13th black crusade started

Didn't the BFG results go completely the other way, though? The way I hear it, Chaos won the ground war, but the Imperials control the space around Cadia...which would be a long-term losing proposition for Chaos.

Cadian Blood, the novel, refers to a Chaos-occupied Cadia, so the results weren't completely thrown out.

Having just reread Cadian Blood, it's not "a Chaos-occupied Cadia" but a "Chaos-overrun Cadia".

Two very different concepts. One suggests that Cadia has been basically nullified as an Imperial stronghold while the other does not.

Ok. It still follows from the 13th Black Crusade.

Besides, it's been years since I read that book and I'm not planning to revisit it, so I'm going to call it "close enough".

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

 Motograter wrote:
The 13th black crusade. Chaos trounced the imperial armies. GW were not happy, Andy chambers left not after due to gw squatting the results and resetting the 40k timeline to just before the 13th black crusade started

Didn't the BFG results go completely the other way, though? The way I hear it, Chaos won the ground war, but the Imperials control the space around Cadia...which would be a long-term losing proposition for Chaos.

Cadian Blood, the novel, refers to a Chaos-occupied Cadia, so the results weren't completely thrown out.

Having just reread Cadian Blood, it's not "a Chaos-occupied Cadia" but a "Chaos-overrun Cadia".

Two very different concepts. One suggests that Cadia has been basically nullified as an Imperial stronghold while the other does not.

Ok. It still follows from the 13th Black Crusade.

Yup. Just saying it's a bit of a difference, IMO.

Besides, it's been years since I read that book and I'm not planning to revisit it, so I'm going to call it "close enough".

It's one of my favorite BL books that isn't part of a series, and my copy has definitely seen better days at this point...

So now all we need to do is get ADB to write an Age of Sigmar story that references the campaign results, and we're golden. Sigmarite golden.

Campaigns in which the players games contribute to the ongoing story are indeed a super idea that was tried out as mentioned above in 40K and WHFB. For whatever reasons, GW gave them up after a couple of years, which was a great shame IMO.

Are both the Occulum and Dais available on general release? I was a bit miffed to find that the Baleful Realmgates (awful name) were direct only.

Erm I don't know where you got that from, my FLGS had the gates and multiple indie online retailers in the UK alone have them.Only the Branchwraith and the limited Storm book are direct only in this week's releases, rest is everyone that orders it.

 Thraxas Of Turai wrote:
Are both the Occulum and Dais available on general release? I was a bit miffed to find that the Baleful Realmgates (awful name) were direct only.

Not direct only

https://www.darksphere.co.uk/p.php?p=63413&c=174

See.

For thoses wandering what is up next week...

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skaven-Screaming-Bell
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skaven-Plague-Monks
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Lord-Skrolk
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skaven-Plague-Censer-Bearers

Well done GW... well Done!

Thanks gents, no idea what I was thinking there.

With the Skaven re-packs I wonder if we will get any different sized units like the Dryads?

 Qcbob wrote:
For thoses wandering what is up next week...

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skaven-Screaming-Bell
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skaven-Plague-Monks
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Lord-Skrolk
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skaven-Plague-Censer-Bearers

Well done GW... well Done!

Doubtful. Probably going to be Khorne Goretide stuff if the hint in the WDW is anything to go on.

It may be a mix like the Paladins/ Syvaneth re-packs this week, then again with the 7 day release window both could conceivably be dealt with in a matter of weeks.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Qcbob wrote:
For thoses wandering what is up next week...

http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skaven-Screaming-Bell
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skaven-Plague-Monks
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Lord-Skrolk
http://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Skaven-Plague-Censer-Bearers

Well done GW... well Done!

Doubtful. Probably going to be Khorne Goretide stuff if the hint in the WDW is anything to go on.

That doesn't mean we can't see those items as well.
Dryads and the Treemen went "No Longer Available" the week or two before this round of preorders.


As well, we actually still have some Stormcast stuff that hasn't been made available yet. Notably the Prosecutors(angel wings), a generic Lord-Relictor, and whatever/whoever the horn carrying model is supposed to be.

I will beleive it when I will see it, hopefully it won't be like Sigmarine variant with shield a week, with a double-hand weapon the next week and for change, another type of weapon the rest of the month... !

Saldiven wrote:

NickOnwezen wrote:
Don't the gw campaign 'tournaments' actually influence the lore of the world going forward? that was sort of the idea of the campaigns, Paying GW for the privilege to influence the fate of the story is actually pretty interesting to some folks I reckon. And a pretty awesome idea for a story driven system right?

That would be new. They've never done it in the past.

There was one campaign back around 2002-2003 that was supposed to do that, but GW ignored the campaign results after it was completed. (If I remember correctly, forces of destruction were massively victorious in that campaign.)

The results of the Albion campaign was not ignored. It didn't change a lot since the action was confined to Albion, but still.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
So now all we need to do is get ADB to write an Age of Sigmar story that references the campaign results, and we're golden. Sigmarite golden.

Don't you mean Ur-golden

Only the blood reavers will be up for preborder. The rest is skaven and the second realm war book

I hope they have tournament results affect the world because I want to see a single TK Carrion be the most unstoppable force in existence.