Planned Parenthood at it's best...

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**generalgrog**

Step right up to buy aborted fetus body parts...executives of Planed Parenthood can hook you up.

You need a lung, no problem..a liver no problem...

I'm disgusted how this Dr. just sits there casually drinks her wine and eats her meal, while she discusses, selling aborted baby parts.

Disgusting...

(ps...sigh can;t get the youtube hotbutton to work correctly)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=243&v=jjxwVuozMnU

Yet another example of our supreme courts infinite wisdom of roe vs wade.

GG

**MeanGreenStompa**

Read.This.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/14/the-real-story-behind-that-shady-planned-parenthood-video.html

The Real Story Behind That Shady Planned Parenthood Video
A ‘damning’ video of a Planned Parenthood employee has pro-lifers calling for the organization’s termination.
Pro-lifers are already calling it the end of Planned Parenthood. An undercover video released early this morning by the Center for Medical Progress (CMP), an offshoot of the conservative Manhattan Institute think tank, claims to show Planned Parenthood Federation of America (PPFA) Senior Director of Medical Services Dr. Deborah Nucatola openly discussing the sale of fetal body parts with actors posing as prospective buyers:

“I’d say a lot of people want liver,” Nucatola says at one point, before describing how providers can conduct abortions in order to preserve fetal tissue for transportation.

Later, when the actors ask her about partnering with PPFA directly as a national organization rather than working with regional Planned Parenthood affiliates, Nucatola replies, “[A]t the national office we have a litigation and law department, which just really doesn’t want us to be the middle people for this issue right now.”

It’s a video that appears damning or, at least, it is certainly presented as if it is, complete with interstitial captions summarizing U.S. legislation surrounding human fetal tissue. Some right-wing outlets are already suggesting that Planned Parenthood is violating federal law and making ominous reference to the penal code, which includes a 10-year prison sentence and/or a $500,000 fine. Social media has exploded with accusations that Planned Parenthood is selling fetal tissue for a profit.

But although Nucatola’s comments raise questions about the acquisition of fetal tissue and the ethical issues surrounding its collection, the transfer of human fetal tissue is not illegal in the United States. Women undergoing abortions sometimes choose to donate fetal tissue for scientific research and abortion providers do not facilitate these donations without their explicit consent.
The law cited by the Center for Medical Progress—42 U.S. Code § 289g—2—prohibits the acquisition and transferring of human fetal tissue “for valuable consideration if the transfer affects interstate commerce.” A definition within the code notes that “‘valuable consideration’ does not include reasonable payments associated with the transportation, implantation, processing, preservation, quality control, or storage of human fetal tissue.”

In other words, transferring human fetal tissue is legal in the United States provided that payments are for processing and transportation costs.

The donation of aborted human fetal tissue may come as a shock to a public unfamiliar with the practice but it is, in fact, a longstanding one.
When asked whether or not the video shows Nucatola discussing activities that are indeed criminal, David Daleiden of the Center for Medical Progress told The Daily Beast, “Planned Parenthood does not incur any of these costs,” referring to the “reasonable payments” in 289g-2. Daleiden further claims that one clinic he’s aware of “receive[s] payments for each specimen” despite partnering with a third-party that handles the transportation. He did not immediately provide documentation for either claim.

In a statement to The Daily Beast, Eric Ferrero, Vice President of Communications for PPFA, maintained that Planned Parenthood’s practices surrounding human fetal tissue are legal:

“In health care, patients sometimes want to donate tissue to scientific research that can help lead to medical breakthroughs, such as treatments and cures for serious diseases. Women at Planned Parenthood who have abortions are no different. At several of our health centers, we help patients who want to donate tissue for scientific research, and we do this just like every other high-quality health care provider does—with full, appropriate consent from patients and under the highest ethical and legal standards. There is no financial benefit for tissue donation for either the patient or for Planned Parenthood. In some instances, actual costs, such as the cost to transport tissue to leading research centers, are reimbursed, which is standard across the medical field.”

Ferrero claims that the Center for Medical Progress a “well-funded group” that has been “established for the purpose of damaging Planned Parenthood’s mission and services,” further noting that similar accusations have been used on abortion providers in the past.

The donation of aborted human fetal tissue may come as a shock to a public unfamiliar with the practice but it is, in fact, a longstanding one. According to the American Society for Cell Biology, scientists have been researching human fetal tissue since the 1930s, with aborted tissue playing a part in the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s development of the rubella and varicella vaccines in the 1960s (PDF). Ronald Reagan put a hold on using fetal tissue for transplants in 1988 while other forms of fetal tissue research continued and Bill Clinton subsequently lifted Reagan’s moratorium in 1993.

As of this writing, all content on the Center for Medical Progress website pertains to the undercover video and the project of which it was a part. The first blog post for the nonprofit was published on July 6 and refers to CMP as “a group of citizen journalists dedicated to monitoring and reporting on medical ethics and advances,” but the only project listed on the website so far is a “30-month-long investigative journalism study…documenting how Planned Parenthood sells the body parts of aborted babies.”

Louisiana governor and presidential hopeful Bobby Jindal has already announced that the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals will be investigating Planned Parenthood’s “alleged evil and illegal activity” in response to the viral video. In a statement, the governor said that Nucatola was “discussing the systematic harvesting and trafficking of human body parts,” practices which he called “shocking and gruesome.”

**Sinful Hero**

Nevermind then.

**generalgrog**

It's sad how you guys can just hand waive...selling aborted baby parts....
That is the 'Real Story"

Yeah nevermind...

GG

**Sinful Hero**

You mean, using fetal tissue for scientific research. Currently there is no evidence that Planned Parenthood is selling body parts on some sort of black market.

**Co'tor Shas**

generalgrog wrote:
It's sad how you guys can just hand waive...selling aborted baby parts....
That is the 'Real Story"

Yeah nevermind...

GG

And I honestly don't see a problem. As long as the woman has given consent, it's just "Oh-no, their selling babies!" freak-out BS. People sell their bodies to science, donate organs, ect. It's not like it's anything new. Only this time it's a fetus. Because fetus are more important than humans apparently.

**generalgrog**

No I mean selling the hearts, livers, and lungs of the babies they kill for prophet.

Should be called planned abortionhood...not planned parenthood.

GG

**Howard A Treesong**

Do you have anything to offer but hyperbole? It's not like women are getting pregnant for the purpose of profiteering from their abortions, which is what you seem to be edging yourself towards suggesting.

**Ahtman**

This is more about taking a backhanded swipe at Planned Parenthood than anything. It is a bad thread and I feel bad for seeing it and responding.

Spoiler:

**generalgrog**

Howard A Treesong wrote:
Do you have anything to offer but hyperbole? It's not like women are getting pregnant for the purpose of profiteering from their abortions, which is what you seem to be edging yourself towards suggesting.

Planned parenthood is a making money off of it..aren't they?
GG

**Co'tor Shas**

generalgrog wrote:
No I mean selling the hearts, livers, and lungs of the babies they kill for prophet.

Should be called planned abortionhood...not planned parenthood.

GG

Seriously? It's not like they go grab random people off the street and force them to have abortions. And why shouldn't they sell them? It's a waste to just burn the fetuses for something like that.

Also, I think you meant profit. It rather changes the meaning otherwise.

**MeanGreenStompa**

generalgrog wrote:
It's sad how you guys can just hand waive...selling aborted baby parts....
That is the 'Real Story"

You're confusing 'hand waving' with 'fact finding'... But congratulations on joining the Simpsons-esque angry mob that immediately leaped up all over the internet at this extremely jaundiced piece of flamebait propaganda...

Please continue to enjoy using this ridiculous video, that includes parts over 10 years old, stuck together with paperclips, bubblegum and ill will, to fulfill some conspiracy driven by your religious conviction at the expense of your common sense...

Good night Gracie...

**WrentheFaceless**

Its on the internet, it must be true

Been a while since I've seen a bait thread this hard.

**Sinful Hero**

generalgrog wrote:
Howard A Treesong wrote:
Do you have anything to offer but hyperbole? It's not like women are getting pregnant for the purpose of profiteering from their abortions, which is what you seem to be edging yourself towards suggesting.

Planned parenthood is a making money off of it..aren't they?
GG

Doesn't appear to be the case. Just some fear-mongering by a Non-profit formed solely to discredit Planned Parenthood. At the very least, these accusations are coming from a very biased source.

**generalgrog**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
generalgrog wrote:
It's sad how you guys can just hand waive...selling aborted baby parts....
That is the 'Real Story"

You're confusing 'hand waving' with 'fact finding'... But congratulations on joining the Simpsons-esque angry mob that immediately leaped up all over the internet at this extremely jaundiced piece of flamebait propaganda...

Please continue to enjoy using this ridiculous video, that includes parts over 10 years old, stuck together with paperclips, bubblegum and ill will, to fulfill some conspiracy driven by your religious conviction at the expense of your common sense...

Good night Gracie...

So your perfectly fine with Mrs.Lector taking a swig of her wine then casually talking about how she takes care to not damage the babies heart or lungs when she kills the baby? I mean after all those lungs and livers are worth $30 to$100 bucks each?

GG

**Howard A Treesong**

generalgrog wrote:
Howard A Treesong wrote:
Do you have anything to offer but hyperbole? It's not like women are getting pregnant for the purpose of profiteering from their abortions, which is what you seem to be edging yourself towards suggesting.

Planned parenthood is a making money off of it..aren't they?
GG

Well they appear to cover their costs involved in the donation, they aren't turning it into actual profit for themselves or the donor. If you think this is some big money spinner for them I think you're very wrong.

**WrentheFaceless**

A fetus is not a baby.

**Howard A Treesong**

generalgrog wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
generalgrog wrote:
It's sad how you guys can just hand waive...selling aborted baby parts....
That is the 'Real Story"

You're confusing 'hand waving' with 'fact finding'... But congratulations on joining the Simpsons-esque angry mob that immediately leaped up all over the internet at this extremely jaundiced piece of flamebait propaganda...

Please continue to enjoy using this ridiculous video, that includes parts over 10 years old, stuck together with paperclips, bubblegum and ill will, to fulfill some conspiracy driven by your religious conviction at the expense of your common sense...

Good night Gracie...

So your perfectly fine with Mrs.Lector taking a swig of her wine then casually talking about how she takes care to not damage the babies heart or lungs when she kills the baby? I mean after all those lungs and livers are worth $30 to$100 bucks each?

GG

I think you should build an argument around demonstrable fact rather than shock appeals to emotion.

**Co'tor Shas**

generalgrog wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
generalgrog wrote:
It's sad how you guys can just hand waive...selling aborted baby parts....
That is the 'Real Story"

You're confusing 'hand waving' with 'fact finding'... But congratulations on joining the Simpsons-esque angry mob that immediately leaped up all over the internet at this extremely jaundiced piece of flamebait propaganda...

Please continue to enjoy using this ridiculous video, that includes parts over 10 years old, stuck together with paperclips, bubblegum and ill will, to fulfill some conspiracy driven by your religious conviction at the expense of your common sense...

Good night Gracie...

So your perfectly fine with Mrs.Lector taking a swig of her wine then casually talking about how she takes care to not damage the babies heart or lungs when she kills the baby? I mean after all those lungs and livers are worth $30 to$100 bucks each?

GG

Yes. If it's going to happen anyway, why not use it to help researchers at the same time.

**Crystal-Maze**

generalgrog wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
generalgrog wrote:
It's sad how you guys can just hand waive...selling aborted baby parts....
That is the 'Real Story"

You're confusing 'hand waving' with 'fact finding'... But congratulations on joining the Simpsons-esque angry mob that immediately leaped up all over the internet at this extremely jaundiced piece of flamebait propaganda...

Please continue to enjoy using this ridiculous video, that includes parts over 10 years old, stuck together with paperclips, bubblegum and ill will, to fulfill some conspiracy driven by your religious conviction at the expense of your common sense...

Good night Gracie...

So your perfectly fine with Mrs.Lector taking a swig of her wine then casually talking about how she takes care to not damage the babies heart or lungs when she kills the baby? I mean after all those lungs and livers are worth $30 to$100 bucks each?

GG

I am perfectly fine with somebody drinking wine (!?) whilst they talk about how they do a routine surgery whilst not making messy and un-necessary incisions in order to terminate a foetus.
Thirty bucks is surprisingly cheap for any human tissue sample.

**hotsauceman1**

generalgrog wrote:
No I mean selling the hearts, livers, and lungs of the babies they kill for prophet.

Should be called planned abortionhood...not planned parenthood.

GG

do they sell to Mohammad or jesus?

**BeAfraid**

generalgrog wrote:
No I mean selling the hearts, livers, and lungs of the babies they kill for prophet.

Should be called planned abortionhood...not planned parenthood.

GG

Apparently you missed the part where they are NOT doing exactly that.

MB

**Ustrello**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
generalgrog wrote:
No I mean selling the hearts, livers, and lungs of the babies they kill for prophet.

Should be called planned abortionhood...not planned parenthood.

GG

do they sell to Mohammad or jesus?

How do you think Moses and Abraham both lived to 120+?

**BeAfraid**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
generalgrog wrote:
No I mean selling the hearts, livers, and lungs of the babies they kill for prophet.

Should be called planned abortionhood...not planned parenthood.

GG

do they sell to Mohammad or jesus?

Maybe it is Elijah, Ezekiel, or one of the lesser known Prophets such as Huldah, Haggai, or Jahaziel.

And we could be talking one of the obscure Jewish Prophets not recognized by either Christian or Muslim.

MB

**Ustrello**

BeAfraid wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
generalgrog wrote:
No I mean selling the hearts, livers, and lungs of the babies they kill for prophet.

Should be called planned abortionhood...not planned parenthood.

GG

do they sell to Mohammad or jesus?

Maybe it is Elijah, Ezekiel, or one of the lesser known Prophets such as Huldah, Haggai, or Jahaziel.

And we could be talking one of the obscure Jewish Prophets not recognized by either Christian or Muslim.

MB

Maybe Enoch? or Methuselah

**Crazy_Carnifex**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
generalgrog wrote:
No I mean selling the hearts, livers, and lungs of the babies they kill for prophet.

Should be called planned abortionhood...not planned parenthood.

GG

do they sell to Mohammad or jesus?

Probably Moses. Seems more his "Thing".

**Bullockist**

Abraham was the first one to do it, he had to sell that foreskin to get a spoiler for his camel.

**Ustrello**

Cain was just trying to get his brothers organs to sell to pimp out his mud hovel but got caught.

**generalgrog**

So ignoring the nature of some of the above posts..

see below...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/republicans-seize-on-planned-parenthood-video/ar-AAcY5pN

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Republicans are seizing on a video purportedly showing a top Planned Parenthood executive discussing the transfer of aborted fetal tissue.

"This latest news is tragic and outrageous," GOP presidential candidate Carly Fiorina said in a Facebook post linking to the video.

"This isn't about 'choice.' It's about profiting on the death of the unborn while telling women it's about empowerment," Fiorina said.

"This video is beyond disturbing," Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) tweeted.

The undercover video, which surfaced Tuesday morning, shows a woman identified as Deborah Nucatola, Planned Parenthood Federation of America's senior director of medical services, describing in detail procedures to retrieve body parts.

"A lot of people want intact hearts these days, because they're looking for specific nodes," the woman says in the video released by The Center for Medical Progress, a self-described group of citizen journalists monitoring medical ethics. The video was reportedly recorded in July, 2014 by people posing as representatives from a fetal tissue procurement company.

"Yesterday was the first time she said people wanted lungs," the woman continues. "Some people want lower extremities too, which, that's simple. I mean that's easy."

"I don't know what they're doing with it. I guess they want muscle," the woman adds. "[W]e've been very good at getting heart, lung, liver, because we know that."

In a statement, Planned Parenthood described the video as "heavily edited" and said it "falsely portrays Planned Parenthood’s participation in tissue donation programs that support lifesaving scientific research."

“In health care, patients sometimes want to donate tissue to scientific research that can help lead to medical breakthroughs, such as treatments and cures for serious diseases," Eric Ferrero, the group's vice president of communications, said in the statement.

"Women at Planned Parenthood who have abortions are no different. At several of our health centers, we help patients who want to donate tissue for scientific research, and we do this just like every other high-quality health care provider does -- with full, appropriate consent from patients and under the highest ethical and legal standards," Ferrero continued.

"There is no financial benefit for tissue donation for either the patient or for Planned Parenthood. In some instances, actual costs, such as the cost to transport tissue to leading research centers, are reimbursed, which is standard across the medical field," he added.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, another Republican presidential candidate, announced Tuesday afternoon he would be directing his state's Department of Health and Hospitals, with the FBI, to launch an investigation into Planned Parenthood's "alleged criminal activity."

"Today’s video of a Planned Parenthood official discussing the systematic harvesting and trafficking of human body parts is shocking and gruesome," Jindal said in a statement.

"This same organization is seeking to open an abortion clinic in New Orleans," Jindal said, suggesting a license would be withheld until the investigation is complete.
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**WrentheFaceless**

And I see you ignored the post debunking the video again