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Plumbumbarum wrote:

 Accolade wrote:

 bitethythumb wrote:

I also wonder why would anyone want to do gw's work and promote their game, I mean if the biggest tt company doing a major release like that cant be arsed to do it properly, they don't deserve players help. Even if someone likes AoS , it's not that good in comparision to other games and gw is not some garage company reaching to community for help but an arogant corporation with illusions of grandeur and straight disdain for their own customers

why do you think GW is arrogant corporation with illusions of grandeur and disdain for its customers?

Probably comes from Kirby's pre-rambles. Him and Mark Wells seem to have actual disdain for tabletop gamers (of all types, I assume)

Not to mention AoS being a giant "feth off" gesture to tourney players who were big part of the player base and that gw themselves have created.

Let's not forgot the numerous quotes that came from the Chapter House case, another example of GW's bullying and stupidity.

To our tournament players, it is doing badly.

To our narrative players it is doing well.

Take from that what you will.

WHFB was probably the biggest game at my local club, probably around a dozen players or so. Of these, I would say probably about a third are trying AoS, the same again have started playing 40k again, the other third moving onto other games.

From what I have heard it's similar with the tournament scene. There are some upcoming ones that are trying AoS for the first time (I guess we will see how those turn out), others are using an updated version of 8th edition (their own WHFB 9th).

I don't think a lot of people here realise what a dedicated tournament scene WHFB had in the UK. That's now been split into different directions by the release of AoS, it will certainly be interesting to see how things lie in 6 months.

I managed to get to our club for the first time in yonks this week. There were 2 AoS games, 1 WHFB, 1 KoW, and a sprinkling of Warmachine, Bloodbowl and X-Wing.

The surprising upshot (and the reason why I rearranged 2 meetings to make it) was a demo of Warmaster which had quite a few huddling around. Quite a few people seem to be very interested in getting armies for so if anyone that has any unwanted Warmaster armies let me know as there are plenty of people looking at my club.

Looks like a smashing game and I have even dug out an Undead army I have owned for years that never made it out of the box. This is now on the painting table in place of the old Metal Skellies that I was going to use for AoS.

There's talk of a Tournament being arranges on top of one at another club in November.

There seems to be a real thirst for Fantasy Battles of all flavours here.

I think as with most things at clubs it takes one person to push something a little and it will soon generate player interest.

I decided to check and yep, the local GW club, who were always very resistant to any non GW, or even GW specialist games I suggested, and had a decent Fantasy scene going (almost as strong as the 40k, just a few less people) seem to be playing more Bolt Action than Age of Sigmar lately.
I'm not even sure if anyone picked up AoS actually, I've seen all of one lizardman monster on an oval base on facebook and that's about it.

1 game of AoS so far at my local club.

Bolt Action, Dreadball, Malifaux, KoW, Warmahordes, X-wing are the main games currently.

40k still popular but mostly elsewhere.

In my area AoS has gathered a pretty decent size, probably about infinity and warmahordes by players who haven't play WFB in a while and new players like me who have played other systems but just couldn't get into WFB but love the models. So its pretty great, and every time we play there will be people watching me talking to konrad or my friend shouting waaagh!

bleak wrote:
In my area AoS has gathered a pretty decent size, probably about infinity and warmahordes by players who haven't play WFB in a while and new players like me who have played other systems but just couldn't get into WFB but love the models. So its pretty great, and every time we play there will be people watching me talking to konrad or my friend shouting waaagh!

And other people wishing they could bring their other friends to someplace that isn't quite so embarrassing.

MWHistorian wrote:

bleak wrote:
In my area AoS has gathered a pretty decent size, probably about infinity and warmahordes by players who haven't play WFB in a while and new players like me who have played other systems but just couldn't get into WFB but love the models. So its pretty great, and every time we play there will be people watching me talking to konrad or my friend shouting waaagh!

And other people wishing they could bring their other friends to someplace that isn't quite so embarrassing.

Lol, its less embarrassing than being a totally serious about plastic toys. Like WHY DID MY PLASTIC MEN NOT WIN ME GAMES!? Hahahaha

bleak wrote:



Lol, its less embarrassing than being a totally serious about plastic toys. Like WHY DID MY PLASTIC MEN NOT WIN ME GAMES!? Hahahaha

Yes, any non-minor certainly is highly attracted by a store with loudly screaming youngsters.

 Sigvatr wrote:

Yes, any non-minor certainly is highly attracted by a store with loudly screaming youngsters.

Old timers like me, who can quote rules from 2nd edition from memory, always feel right at home. There's something fun about being the answerman to a generation that treats Google as though it were superior to memory.

AOS is doing very well at the FLGS in terms of sales. There are few organized games going on in the store, but that might be a sign of something else: games are taking place at home.

This makes some sense, the FLGS is where people come to learn to play. With a simplified ruleset, that might not be as necessary.

 Sigvatr wrote:

bleak wrote:



Lol, its less embarrassing than being a totally serious about plastic toys. Like WHY DID MY PLASTIC MEN NOT WIN ME GAMES!? Hahahaha

Yes, any non-minor certainly is highly attracted by a store with loudly screaming youngsters.

If I wanted screaming kids, I'd go to Toys R Us. If I wanted screaming adults...well, I wouldn't. (rock concerts being the exception.)

AoS was pretty steady at a FLGS, then after a few lop-sided games most players started going into other games. Then a large group moved into warmachine, which wasn't being played at all.

Everyone seems happy now.

MWHistorian wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

bleak wrote:



Lol, its less embarrassing than being a totally serious about plastic toys. Like WHY DID MY PLASTIC MEN NOT WIN ME GAMES!? Hahahaha

Yes, any non-minor certainly is highly attracted by a store with loudly screaming youngsters.

If I wanted screaming kids, I'd go to Toys R Us. If I wanted screaming adults...well, I wouldn't. (rock concerts being the exception.)

Then that's your preference. And what's wrong with screaming adults having fun? I know you hate people having fun but hey, I can't say I feel sad for you because in my area, both AoS and warmahordes are doing pretty well and we play side by side each other, and we clearly have no problem with one another.

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

bleak wrote:



Lol, its less embarrassing than being a totally serious about plastic toys. Like WHY DID MY PLASTIC MEN NOT WIN ME GAMES!? Hahahaha

Yes, any non-minor certainly is highly attracted by a store with loudly screaming youngsters.

If I wanted screaming kids, I'd go to Toys R Us. If I wanted screaming adults...well, I wouldn't. (rock concerts being the exception.)

screaming WAAAGH!!! has been a part of games at GW stores and events for two decades...
it's not like this is some new crazy thing...
getting in the spirit of the game has always been encouraged by the staff...
if it isn't for you, move on...
there is no need to poo-poo other people's fun...

the Squig Hopper battle we set up at GW Amsterdam for the release of the WFB Empire vs, Orcs starter set was hilarious...
kids hopping up and down the street in front of the Queen's Palace on big red bouncy balls with Squig faces drawn on them, whacking each other with blow-up clubs was too funny...
the kids had a great time, and i'm sure it wasn't even the strangest thing the people on the street in Amsterdam saw that day...
there is nothing wrong with getting into the spirit of fun...

it's not like the game store is a place full of serious people, unlike a library or a museum...
all games have an element of groans and cheers when people are into it, and any game store that is quiet as a tomb is obviously not full of gamers, because they are a pretty boisterous lot when playing, in my experience...
this whole run just seems like sour grapes from people who don't like AoS, unless you guys really don't like fun...
at the end of the day, we are all into toy soldiers...

cheers
jah

jah-joshua wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:

bleak wrote:



Lol, its less embarrassing than being a totally serious about plastic toys. Like WHY DID MY PLASTIC MEN NOT WIN ME GAMES!? Hahahaha

Yes, any non-minor certainly is highly attracted by a store with loudly screaming youngsters.

If I wanted screaming kids, I'd go to Toys R Us. If I wanted screaming adults...well, I wouldn't. (rock concerts being the exception.)

screaming WAAAGH!!! has been a part of games at GW stores and events for two decades...
it's not like this is some new crazy thing...
getting in the spirit of the game has always been encouraged by the staff...
if it isn't for you, move on...
there is no need to poo-poo other people's fun...

the Squig Hopper battle we set up at GW Amsterdam for the release of the WFB Empire vs, Orcs starter set was hilarious...
kids hopping up and down the street in front of the Queen's Palace on big red bouncy balls with Squig faces drawn on them, whacking each other with blow-up clubs was too funny...
the kids had a great time, and i'm sure it wasn't even the strangest thing the people on the street in Amsterdam saw that day...
there is nothing wrong with getting into the spirit of fun...

it's not like the game store is a place full of serious people, unlike a library or a museum...
all games have an element of groans and cheers when people are into it, and any game store that is quiet as a tomb is obviously not full of gamers, because they are a pretty boisterous lot when playing, in my experience...
this whole run just seems like sour grapes from people who don't like AoS, unless you guys really don't like fun...
at the end of the day, we are all into toy soldiers...

cheers
jah

I personally will shout NOOOOOO because of saving dice rolls and make death gurgling sound when I remove models.

We have a rather large player group.
But atm there are only 5 members playing AoS.
Some wait for further development, say the release of Aelfs.
Others are not interested playing 40k, WMH, or Oldhammer

there is nothing wrong with getting into the spirit of fun...

it's not like the game store is a place full of serious people, unlike a library or a museum...

See this is a cultur thing. Most stuff done on amsterdam streets would not only be seen as bad here, but get you in to jail to boot. And the serious aspect of the game offten comes from how much the game costs in relative terms.

 MWHistorian wrote:

bleak wrote:
In my area AoS has gathered a pretty decent size, probably about infinity and warmahordes by players who haven't play WFB in a while and new players like me who have played other systems but just couldn't get into WFB but love the models. So its pretty great, and every time we play there will be people watching me talking to konrad or my friend shouting waaagh!

And other people wishing they could bring their other friends to someplace that isn't quite so embarrassing.

Oh, this is truly a difficult proposition in these unsettling times. Just recently, to avoid the embarrassment of the gaming store, I took my fellows to a local "sports bar." There, some ruffian contest was being held on televisions of unseemly size, and to my dismay when either sporting club on these screens would register a point the inebriated hooligans in attendance would begin braying and yelling and making rude comment. I don't mind telling you, so unsettling was this embarrassment upon my social evening that I was forced to depart early, having completed not even half of my fiesta burger and loaded fries.

Is there nowhere left, for gentlemen such as we?

The store owner here pointed out that he sold more Fantasy stuff than 40k stuff during the last four weeks. Thank you AoS!

Oggthrok wrote:

 MWHistorian wrote:

bleak wrote:
In my area AoS has gathered a pretty decent size, probably about infinity and warmahordes by players who haven't play WFB in a while and new players like me who have played other systems but just couldn't get into WFB but love the models. So its pretty great, and every time we play there will be people watching me talking to konrad or my friend shouting waaagh!

And other people wishing they could bring their other friends to someplace that isn't quite so embarrassing.

Oh, this is truly a difficult proposition in these unsettling times. Just recently, to avoid the embarrassment of the gaming store, I took my fellows to a local "sports bar." There, some ruffian contest was being held on televisions of unseemly size, and to my dismay when either sporting club on these screens would register a point the inebriated hooligans in attendance would begin braying and yelling and making rude comment. I don't mind telling you, so unsettling was this embarrassment upon my social evening that I was forced to depart early, having completed not even half of my fiesta burger and loaded fries.

Is there nowhere left, for gentlemen such as we?

Only Limehouse.

In my area its a mixed bag.

Fantasy was never hugely popular in my area anyway. Of our five or so stores, only two carried any fantasy.

Our End Times campaign had 28 registered players. Our upcoming Age of Sigmar campaign starting up in september currently has 12, which is higher than I thought we'd have.

When 8th came out in 2010 we lost about 2/3 of our community overnight and it took about three years to recover.

The numbers for AoS here are pretty similar..

My FLGS has not sold a single copy. In fact she just did a huge sale on all GW merchandise because shes sick with dealing with them and wants to get out. She even asked me which paint line I prefer. I told her if citadel wasnt so damn expensive i would use them but because they are I use P3 instead.

bleak wrote:
I personally will shout NOOOOOO because of saving dice rolls and make death gurgling sound when I remove models.

LOL. I have done both. More than .... uh.. .I can't count that high

I also talk to my dice, the same way that great goalies talk to their goalposts. Because it works, you know? Just like talking to your plants!

I've been keeping a careful eye on aos thus far in my area, so far we've had roughly 20 people stop playing fantasy and only 2 people pick up aos, while a lot have bought the models, there appears to be zero interest in the game itself, I consider that worrying

Start up league has 20+ players in it.
Last league of 8th had 24.

Once a comp system gets nailed down, I expect it to do better than 8th. And the local store is actually moving product; old stuff and new stuff.

Effectively killed fantasy in one FLGS; visited Saturday and boxes are gathering dust and just 40k being played. Spoke with the regulars who are always about on the weekend and was told no fantasy games to be had in the store. Odd since there used to be regular tournaments and a fair mix of fantasy to 40k in the past.

Anyone else notice the android AoS app prices are wrong? I was looking at the battletome area of the app, currently just the chaos dreadhold. The price in the app is $20.99 but when you click on it, the price is $21.99. I'm sure it's the play store adding a $1 surcharge but every other app in existence takes this into account.

So as it turns out my online store DOES stock AoS. They have just not bothered posting any pics of arriving stock or advertising it at all. Or change their Warhammer Fantasy tab to Age of Sigmar. Or add the Stromcast as a faction to their Warhammer Fantasy tab.

Wait.. Where the hell are Sigmarines then...

Ok to find the Sigmarine units I have to go Hobby>Books and DVDs>Games workshop>Warhammer Fantasy.

Hidden as it is I think it was less sad to think they just never stocked it..

It isn't doing well in our LGS or the clubs. The LGS sales are bad and their shelf space is shrinking, and while there were some games to start with, I haven't seen anyone in a while. Don't know how the GW store is doing. The old WHFB -only club seems to be swearing off GW and migrating mainly to WmH and to a lesser extent KOW, but that is hardly a surprise, I guess.

For the upcoming national championships multi-game system event, there are two people signed up so far. There are no other events hosting AoS.

It doesn't look good.

I have two demo games this weekend, and three other friends who want to start armies.

No too bad.