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I'm not the biggest star wars fan. Either way I was taken (not quite carried but not far off) by my friends just after Christmas.

I took away from it the following:

1) Awesome visuals and special effects
2) That clean, feel good vibe Disney injects into everything - I hate it.
3) That evil dude looked like Linguine from Ratatouille when he removed his mask.
4) There is a Cylon masquerading as a storm trooper and I had to fight the urge to point this out as if i was at a pantomime, as everyone else seemed oblivious
5) Force Awakens is effectively the same plot as A New Hope, but with a bigger death planet.
6) The storm trooper from Robot Chicken is now a legitimate character
7) The spiritual home of the Jedi is also the spiritual home of Roman Catholicism in Southern Ireland.
8) Jawas are dirty.
9) A bouncing ball with a head is now the must-have toy for small, spoiled children everywhere.
10) I will watch the next film as Rey? That's her name right? Just Ray.
11) Brienne of Tarth is the Cylon in her spare time.
12) More people changed their Facebook picture to add a light sabre to show solidarity and support for Disney than changed it to the French flag overlay when terrorists attacked France.
13) People try to talk to you shortly after the film at the urinals which is normally a social no-go
14) You can now learn how to fight like a Jedi at clubs now (see: pratting about in a darkened room with a glowstick - it's like the 90s minus the drugs)

 gorgon wrote:

So sure, that end scene could literally mean *anything*, including some kind of commentary on the Crimean War if that's how the viewer interprets it. But personally I think of all the possibilities, the one with the best chance of being what the writers intended is that this is Luke's lost daughter, a wild talent that grew up on a desert planet like he and his father did, sent by Leia to heal his soul and bring him back.

It's definitely the obvious answer. I'm personally hoping that she's not a Skywalker, as I like the Kenobi theory. However, being Lukes daughter would explain Han and Leias fairly subdued reaction to meeting her. If they're sending her off to find her lost, unknown father, letting her discover that herself is better than just blurting it out in the Falcon. And their reaction makes zero sense if she's their daughter.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

The silver plated captain could have been used more. She was only in about three short scenes.

She should have been the one to kick Finn's ass, not the nameless Stormtrooper. And then get blasted through the air by Chewie's bowcaster but survive, albeit severely wounded and angry, would have established her as a badass and popular villain. Then early on in Episode 8, we see her recovering from her wounds (broken back etc) but shes refusing to rest and take it it easy, wanting to rush her recovery and get back to duty. That would have helped set up a vendetta arc between Phasma and the traitor Finn, because now its personal.

So far the only cool thing about her is the chrome armour.

This would have been brilliant. You need to be the writer.

And Snoke is Jar Jar in disguise.

That is awful. You definitely cannot be the writer.

One of my brother's friends said that the movie, while enjoyable, was kind of like this: Take A New Hope and the post-Return of the Jedi portions of the Expanded Universe (the one now disavowed by Disney), throw them into a blender, and you get The Force Awakens. Not sure I totally agree, but I see where he's coming from. As I said before, I liked the movie and I'm eager to see more.

Just saw it a second time to make sure I wasn't just happy to have a coherent plot in a Star Wars movie again.

I still liked it, it didn't feel like watching Avatar a second time - there was the playing on my emotions but it wasn't as blatant.

 -Loki- wrote:

 gorgon wrote:

So sure, that end scene could literally mean *anything*, including some kind of commentary on the Crimean War if that's how the viewer interprets it. But personally I think of all the possibilities, the one with the best chance of being what the writers intended is that this is Luke's lost daughter, a wild talent that grew up on a desert planet like he and his father did, sent by Leia to heal his soul and bring him back.

It's definitely the obvious answer. I'm personally hoping that she's not a Skywalker, as I like the Kenobi theory. However, being Lukes daughter would explain Han and Leias fairly subdued reaction to meeting her. If they're sending her off to find her lost, unknown father, letting her discover that herself is better than just blurting it out in the Falcon. And their reaction makes zero sense if she's their daughter.

Let's just hope that she doesn't suddenly know Wookiee, and Chewbacca has been blurting it out to her the whole time

The problem with her being Luke's daughter is where they've left it at the end of the first movie... If there was going to be a big 'I am your father!' moment, it really needed to be done at that moment when Rey shows up in front of him for the first time.

Coming back to it in the second movie would be a bit weird, and the timing would be all off for that sort of emotional reveal.

On the other hand, maybe Luke doesn't know either... and at some point in the second movie there'll be a 'What do you remember of your mother?' moment where Luke realises that he knew her mother...

Well, Luke does seem to recognize her.

If he is her father and he knows it, they could still put it off a while. He could simply stay quiet after regaining his composure.

Another explanation for his intense look, which I haven't personally seen thrown about, is that he simply foresaw it. If he's hidden himself away, he's obviously not ready to start training again. If he'd forseen he finding him, then his intense look could be explained by the fact that he doesn't want her to have found him before he was ready. Recognition would come from him seeing her in his precognition.

There's lots of ways to explain it. I mean, he saw the future in ESB. They've dropped some hints that she may be something more than just a scavenger who was abandoned - intentionally or not - on Jakku. But it doesn't mean they can't just be talking points for fans until the next movie.

The shooting script makes it perfectly clear that Luke knows both who she is and why she's there. Even though it doesn't say why he knows, it's pretty obvious it's the Force. Also, keep in mind that Rey had been having dreams of the island where Luke has been hiding (Kylo Ren mentions it when he was interrogating her) and the Force has been calling to her for some time.

I don't think she is Luke's daughter. Just because George Lucas has always claimed that Star Wars is about the Skywalker family doesn't mean she is a Skywalker, especially considering the primary antagonist is also part of the Skywalker family.

She's also holding out a light saber he last saw when his dad chopped his hand off. I'm guessing that he'd at the least recognize that hardware, and it wouldn't be a thrilling reunion. Especially since the light saber itself is now pursuing its own agenda, magical sword style.

 ZergSmasher wrote:
One of my brother's friends said that the movie, while enjoyable, was kind of like this: Take A New Hope and the post-Return of the Jedi portions of the Expanded Universe (the one now disavowed by Disney), throw them into a blender, and you get The Force Awakens. Not sure I totally agree, but I see where he's coming from. As I said before, I liked the movie and I'm eager to see more.

Spoiler:

If it does turn out that Rey and Kylo Ren are siblings, it'll be just like in the Legacy of the Force novels where Han and Leia's twin children are both Jedi and the boy turns to the dark side.

IT WAS LUCASFILM Story Group THAT DISAVOWED the EU (and always has) NOT da haus of maus.
LFL did this PRIOR to the selling to disney.
That said, they now regard legends as the pile of crap left after refining mineral ores. There's some value left in that pile, but it has to be extracted.
This is one thing they are using "Rebels" for. A vehicle to put some of it back into "canon".

I hope Rey turns out to be just a random - NOT related to anyone else of the main characters known of (whilst the jedi order is gone, force sensitives WILL still be being born, they just won't know why they are "special").

Not to mention that if George Lucas had instead decided to make more movies instead of selling Lucasfilm to Disney, he too would have dropped the EU like a sack of wet cement.

Over the years, he's made how he felt about the EU perfect clear. Spoiler alert: he wasn't a fan.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
The shooting script makes it perfectly clear that Luke knows both who she is and why she's there. Even though it doesn't say why he knows, it's pretty obvious it's the Force. Also, keep in mind that Rey had been having dreams of the island where Luke has been hiding (Kylo Ren mentions it when he was interrogating her) and the Force has been calling to her for some time.

I don't think she is Luke's daughter. Just because George Lucas has always claimed that Star Wars is about the Skywalker family doesn't mean she is a Skywalker, especially considering the primary antagonist is also part of the Skywalker family.

However, the Skywalker line doesn't just run through Luke.

I think he has that intense expression as he has just seen his old Lightsaber that is full of powerful emotions AND the he has seen the person holding it in Force visions.

I think ending on that scene was a huge mistake for the 1st movie. It should have ended when Rey and Chewie rocket away from the Resistance base to search for Spock.... er I mean Luke.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
The shooting script makes it perfectly clear that Luke knows both who she is and why she's there. Even though it doesn't say why he knows, it's pretty obvious it's the Force. Also, keep in mind that Rey had been having dreams of the island where Luke has been hiding (Kylo Ren mentions it when he was interrogating her) and the Force has been calling to her for some time.

I don't think she is Luke's daughter. Just because George Lucas has always claimed that Star Wars is about the Skywalker family doesn't mean she is a Skywalker, especially considering the primary antagonist is also part of the Skywalker family.

Well if Han and Leia are her parents she still would be a Skywalker, if only in spirit and ancestry.

Jacen and Jaina may not have had the Skywalker name but they were just as much a Skywalker as Luke and his son Ben ('Ben Solo' is a reference to the original Ben Skywalker from the EU, for anyone not familiar with the EU).

An idea my wife's well informed(and I will leave it at that) friends have suggested that Rey was in training with Luke when Kylo went bad and he took and hid her, and put a mental block on her memories. It is a fact that Simon Pegg's character said to leave her there in the flashback so its possible he was talking to Luke or to Rey's mom, yes I am making the assumption that she is Luke's daughter. I think its likely Kylo killed the mom. No clue why the Pegg character would have wanted her to stay there though since he treats her like crap and betrays her later on, not the sort of thing a family friend would do.

This also explains why she is able to somewhat use the force with increasing ability and how some junk yard bumpkin knows actual techniques of how to fight both in the junker village and on the Starkiller. She reached an age where the memory blocks are starting to fade and it really comes to a head when she picks up "her father's" lightsaber for the first time.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Not to mention that if George Lucas had instead decided to make more movies instead of selling Lucasfilm to Disney, he too would have dropped the EU like a sack of wet cement.

Over the years, he's made how he felt about the EU perfect clear. Spoiler alert: he wasn't a fan.

Screw him. Much of the EU is of course garbage, but large parts of it were also better than anything he did post ROTJ.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:

Screw him. Much of the EU is of course garbage, but large parts of it were also better than anything he did post ROTJ.

Especially the whole, "Boba Fett is a clone" thing

That didn't bother me at all. No, what bothered me is how he killed Boba off in the Sarlacc Pit, then rejected all the EU material that expanded on the character and redeemed him. Without the EU, if only the films and related tv series are canon then Boba is nothing - just some incompetent nobody who fell into a hole in the ground.

Being a clone is the least of Boba Fett's worries.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
That didn't bother me at all. No, what bothered me is how he killed Boba off in the Sarlacc Pit, then rejected all the EU material that expanded on the character and redeemed him. Without the EU, if only the films and related tv series are canon then Boba is nothing - just some incompetent nobody who fell into a hole in the ground.

Being a clone is the least of Boba Fett's worries.

Lol, obviously, I am a fairly large Fett fan....but I think that in the OT, at least in ESB and the pre-sarlacc bits of Jedi, they do paint up this picture of being the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy. It's why when, even blind Han Solo is kind of "freaking out" about Fett's arrival in battle and accidentally sets off the rockets that launch him into the pit.

Yeah, it's kind of weak, but it's also kind of almost an "Any given sunday" kind of moment.

The thing that bugs me is that, you have an excellent background for Fett in Tales of the Bounty Hunters, about how he got the armor (a bit, there's still some mysteries after all) and the name/reputation of Boba Fett. I personally think that the whole "He's a clone of some guy who was supposed to be totally badass" completely destroys all of that mythicized and hinted reputation that he has in ESB.

 Wulfmar wrote:
3) That evil dude looked like Linguine from Ratatouille when he removed his mask.

I still say he looks more like Roger Waters.

I'm not up on all the rumors, but isn't there talk of some Fett related property by Disney?

 Breotan wrote:

 Wulfmar wrote:
3) That evil dude looked like Linguine from Ratatouille when he removed his mask.

I still say he looks more like Roger Waters.

But that's just both of you dating yourselves!

In other words - why can't it be both?

 Breotan wrote:

 Wulfmar wrote:
3) That evil dude looked like Linguine from Ratatouille when he removed his mask.

I still say he looks more like Roger Waters.

Wait... Linguine looks like Roger Waters... or Kylo looks like Roger... or is it Snoke?

 Ensis Ferrae wrote:

 Breotan wrote:

 Wulfmar wrote:
3) That evil dude looked like Linguine from Ratatouille when he removed his mask.

I still say he looks more like Roger Waters.

Wait... Linguine looks like Roger Waters... or Kylo looks like Roger... or is it Snoke?

Kyloception, apparently it's a thing

 Easy E wrote:
I'm not up on all the rumors, but isn't there talk of some Fett related property by Disney?

Rumor/speculation/wishlisting has him as the villain in the Han Solo solo movie, though there's no proof of that yet.

Personally, I'm hoping he shows up in Rebels at some point....

 insaniak wrote:
The problem with her being Luke's daughter is where they've left it at the end of the first movie... If there was going to be a big 'I am your father!' moment, it really needed to be done at that moment when Rey shows up in front of him for the first time.

Coming back to it in the second movie would be a bit weird, and the timing would be all off for that sort of emotional reveal.

On the other hand, maybe Luke doesn't know either... and at some point in the second movie there'll be a 'What do you remember of your mother?' moment where Luke realises that he knew her mother...

I don't know why this is so problematic. First off, it's a teaser and cliffhanger for the next film. Is it really that much different than the ways they left fans hanging at the end of TESB? People weren't even completely sure that Vader was Luke's father. It's why Yoda says "Your father he is" in ROTJ.

But more importantly, I think it's pretty clear that Luke is damaged goods at that point in time. Based on rumors, most thought that he hid himself away for some kind of functional reason. But TFA points strongly to him simply withdrawing from the world. He's almost certainly blaming himself for what went down, and think about the levels of guilt at work when you consider not just the disaster Ren caused, but the fact that the one who turned was your own nephew and your twin sister's and friend's only son. How do you even look Han and Leia in the eyes after that?

And if in the process he lost a wife and thought he lost a daughter too...well, all of that isn't the kind of gak that people bounce back from easily, if at all. The guy just wanted to hide away and live out his remaining years alone. Can't blame him. And here comes Rey with his old lightsaber, shoving the past and his failures in his face.

What, do people here really think that's going to go WELL, even if she is his daughter? As I think I said earlier, that end scene is a *confrontation* -- make no bones about it. And IME confrontations tend to be tense things, with the confronted person acting very defensively.

All of this means there should be PLENTY of ground to cover -- of both the emotional and informational variety -- in the next film. This film was about finding Luke. The next one will be about healing his soul.

Hmm...the parent finding redemption from and in his child...have we seen that before in the trilogy? That's why she's his daughter -- it repeats the cycle and makes perfect thematic and writing sense.

If george lucas hated the EU so much....then he shouldnt have whored his franchise and have been more controlling with it.

He loved money more than he hated the EU.

George Lucas loves money, yes, but I think selling out to Disney was only to prevent a hostile takeover situation. Lucas always championed the "independent filmmaker" thing, so he would never have willingly sold out to a big company like Disney. They bought enough of his stock to threaten him, then offered him a decent amount of money to sell his company and shut his mouth. Ah, the dangers of being a publicly traded company. As Qui-gon Jinn said in TPM, "There's always a bigger fish!"

Of course, this could just be a wild conspiracy theory, but the evidence does fit the facts somewhat. If there is evidence such as press releases or something that contradicts this (or maybe this is old news), I will stand corrected.