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GoatboyBeta wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
I wonder if at some point we'll see what became the Defiler, because I really wonder what exactly this started out as that didn't look totally heretical.

I think an argument could be made for the Onager Dunecrawler as an ancestor(or cousin) of the Defiler. The Leviathan and Decimator also seem to share an lineage to my eyes.

The Defiler be an adaptation of the Araknakratos, or Staraq, crawler; mentioned in the lore sting for Tarantula sentry guns.
Hopefully we'll see models for it later this year, when the fabled Secutarii army is fleshed out.

 ImAGeek wrote:
Where are you even getting a size comparison from? They look the same and there's nothing in the photos to scale them.

It's on a modern flier stand/base it looks like actually.

 Lockark wrote:

 ImAGeek wrote:
Where are you even getting a size comparison from? They look the same and there's nothing in the photos to scale them.

It's on a modern flier stand/base it looks like actually.

Correct.

This thing is more than double the size of a blightdrone.

So Papa Nurgle and Mrs Drone decided to open a 2nd bottle of fungus wine............well, we all know how that ended now don't we little boys and girls?!!!!!

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Is that a grav-cannon nose gun I see?

Looks more like an arc rifle to me, or maybe the heavy version. .

That would make a bit more sense.

That stem looks alot shorter than the flyer one we usually have.
The base looks smaller too.

Might just be my eyes, but the fixing point of the stem is over 1/3 of the length of the base.



Either way, happy to see more news of it so we know it's not been scrapped.

Why are people complaining about CSM having mostly just corrupted Imperium stuff? They ARE corrupted Imperium. It's even right in the name! "Chaos Space Marines" the stuff chaos creates all on its own is daemons.

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Why are people complaining about CSM having mostly just corrupted Imperium stuff? They ARE corrupted Imperium. It's even right in the name! "Chaos Space Marines" the stuff chaos creates all on its own is daemons.

Because...reasons. Aren't Heldrakes corrupted versions of the Helblade or whatever?

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 NinthMusketeer wrote:
Why are people complaining about CSM having mostly just corrupted Imperium stuff? They ARE corrupted Imperium. It's even right in the name! "Chaos Space Marines" the stuff chaos creates all on its own is daemons.

Because...reasons. Aren't Heldrakes corrupted versions of the Helblade or whatever?

But the Helblade is a Chaos only vehicle anyway isn't it?


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 Jackal wrote:
That stem looks alot shorter than the flyer one we usually have.
The base looks smaller too.

Might just be my eyes, but the fixing point of the stem is over 1/3 of the length of the base.



Either way, happy to see more news of it so we know it's not been scrapped.

The base is definitely smaller than the usual flying oval base, not sure about the stem though.

The Chaos marines took into the eye of terror half of the Mechanicum... The Dark Mechanicum with their forge ships free from the restrictions and orthodoxy of the Mechanicum who were able to establish whole new Forgeworlds are capable of producing weapons distinct from Imperium's that go beyond just being corrupted versions of Imperial vehicles.

As far as smaller oval bases go, it's either the standard flyer base or the next size down, which is 105mm x 70mm. Even at that size it's bigger than a blightdrone

I don't think that every Daemon Engine should have a Heresy-era 'mundane' counterpart. I'm perfectly happy with the Defiler being a purpose-built shell into which Daemons are summoned and caged. I just wish GW would go that route, so we can have a little more Daemon Engine and a little less Daemon Engine, if you get what I mean.

 BrookM wrote:
Stolen?

This is what they were like before they went all chaos..

Exactly.

As a Chaos player who's sick of playing, what are now, 11th (?) fiddle to the damned Marines, this sort if unit is really cool. I love seeing the 'original' from 10k years prior to 40k. That's cool design.

More of that please.

@ImAGeek: You are indeed correct. I think I had something confused in my head about the Chaos flyers.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Stolen?

This is what they were like before they went all chaos..

Exactly.

As a Chaos player who's sick of playing, what are now, 11th (?) fiddle to the damned Marines, this sort if unit is really cool. I love seeing the 'original' from 10k years prior to 40k. That's cool design.

More of that please.

Agreed. I am definitely in favor seeing more stuff like this as well. I would also be in favor of seeing 30K stuff daemonized for 40K.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Mr_Rose wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Is that a grav-cannon nose gun I see?

Looks more like an arc rifle to me, or maybe the heavy version. .

That would make a bit more sense.

I don't think they have Grav Cannons and Arc Rifles in 30K. I would expect it to be something more like a Photon Thruster or Conversion Beamer. Maybe a new weapon altogether.

Technically, one would expect the Pre-blight drone (called the Atatrax or something like that??) to become corrupted by chaos, because it is an automaton. The Castellax, Vorax, Thanatar and others are all actually AI robots in 30k, which have been known to be quite susceptible to chaos corruption.

Indeed, the "psychic" discipline that the 30k admech have access to, which is basically programming that buffs your robots up and can even do stuff like cause them to self-destruct, has its own mishap table which includes chaos corruption into Abominable Intelligence.

the_scotsman wrote:
Technically, one would expect the Pre-blight drone (called the Atatrax or something like that??) to become corrupted by chaos, because it is an automaton. The Castellax, Vorax, Thanatar and others are all actually AI robots in 30k, which have been known to be quite susceptible to chaos corruption.

Indeed, the "psychic" discipline that the 30k admech have access to, which is basically programming that buffs your robots up and can even do stuff like cause them to self-destruct, has its own mishap table which includes chaos corruption into Abominable Intelligence.

That thing is not the Arlatax. That is a Jump MC monster with CC weapons and stuff. I think it will be a jet pack Thanatar / Ursarax hybrid, basically.

Also, they aren't AI, per se. They have an organic brain, if I recall correctly. Because thinking machines are still a big no-no.

the_scotsman wrote:
Technically, one would expect the Pre-blight drone (called the Atatrax or something like that??) to become corrupted by chaos, because it is an automaton. The Castellax, Vorax, Thanatar and others are all actually AI robots in 30k, which have been known to be quite susceptible to chaos corruption.

Indeed, the "psychic" discipline that the 30k admech have access to, which is basically programming that buffs your robots up and can even do stuff like cause them to self-destruct, has its own mishap table which includes chaos corruption into Abominable Intelligence.

Thats not Chaos corruption though, it's them literally breaking free of the Magos control and going beserk.

the_scotsman wrote:
Technically, one would expect the Pre-blight drone (called the Atatrax or something like that??) to become corrupted by chaos, because it is an automaton. The Castellax, Vorax, Thanatar and others are all actually AI robots in 30k, which have been known to be quite susceptible to chaos corruption.

This will probably be some sort of skimmer or even a dedicated flyer/attack gunship. Appropriate for the Mechancium to have robotic hunter killers.

They're not the Silica Animus that the crimson accords forbid, but are more animalistic in their behaviours akin to aggressive, predatory animals. What I'm looking forward to are the Thanatar, Vorax and hopefully a few others making their 40k debut in the upcoming Imperial Armour: Fires of Cyraxus.

Malifica is always "entertaining" when they become self aware because of a bumbling tech priest indulging in laxity. Please let that still happen in 40k...

the_scotsman wrote:
Technically, one would expect the Pre-blight drone (called the Atatrax or something like that??) to become corrupted by chaos, because it is an automaton. The Castellax, Vorax, Thanatar and others are all actually AI robots in 30k, which have been known to be quite susceptible to chaos corruption.

Indeed, the "psychic" discipline that the 30k admech have access to, which is basically programming that buffs your robots up and can even do stuff like cause them to self-destruct, has its own mishap table which includes chaos corruption into Abominable Intelligence.

The 30k robots are bit like the titans, it is a true inorganic organism as in there is no flesh. Instead its brain is made of synthetic materials and it has a animal level intellect much like a predatory animal.
30k cyberthurgy can push and prod it into actions with a risk of it breaking loose of the control of the magos and lashing out at anything nearby ie. malafica.
This malafica has nothing to do with chaos and is not a true intellect, it is just uncontrolled and hunting and killing with a will of its own, It is true this animal level intellects can be corrupted by chaos and has happened in books.
But that is not what is going on when a cyberthurgy check goes awry.

 Imateria wrote:
I don't think they have Grav Cannons and Arc Rifles in 30K. I would expect it to be something more like a Photon Thruster or Conversion Beamer. Maybe a new weapon altogether.

With regards to gravity weaponry, yes! Yes they do. Both FW's variant that drops difficult terrain templates and the more "modern" version as done by GW are in use during the Heresy.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't think that every Daemon Engine should have a Heresy-era 'mundane' counterpart. I'm perfectly happy with the Defiler being a purpose-built shell into which Daemons are summoned and caged. I just wish GW would go that route, so we can have a little more Daemon Engine and a little less Daemon Engine, if you get what I mean.

 BrookM wrote:
Stolen?

This is what they were like before they went all chaos..

Exactly.

As a Chaos player who's sick of playing, what are now, 11th (?) fiddle to the damned Marines, this sort if unit is really cool. I love seeing the 'original' from 10k years prior to 40k. That's cool design.

More of that please.

This does beg a certain question... Will we ever get chaos corrupted forms of the other Automata?

Arlatax is different, its not this drone.
It's closer to a domitar.
Much like thallax to ursarax.

And grav does indeed exist in 30k.
Mechanicum can make some good use of it

This is called the Vulturax I think.

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Volterax, Vulturax... Near enough

Volterax, rumours of the Macrocarid making a physical appearance, it's going to be a mechanicum open day!

 BrookM wrote:

 Imateria wrote:
I don't think they have Grav Cannons and Arc Rifles in 30K. I would expect it to be something more like a Photon Thruster or Conversion Beamer. Maybe a new weapon altogether.

With regards to gravity weaponry, yes! Yes they do. Both FW's variant that drops difficult terrain templates and the more "modern" version as done by GW are in use during the Heresy.

Yeah, although it is worth noting that the Grav Imploder, which is the 40k-style Grav weapon in 30k, has only just come into use by the time of the Horus Heresy, and many in the Mechanicum see it as a crude, heretical perversion of the traditional Graviton weaponry. However, it is easier to produce and effective, so is seeing increased used by the end of the Great Crusade.


From the looks of it, the Volterax drone is armed with a Grav Imploder and some kind of Arc weapon on the same gun mount, with two/twin-linked Havoc launchers on the flanks. Looks to be quite a versatile loadout.

Looks like mechanicum are finally getting the previewed stuff from a while back now.

Just the macroacrid to go now and that's everything that's been leaked I think.



And I agree, the drone looks pretty versatile.
Only issue I see is lack of controllers now as they are few and far between.
Need a way of getting one or 2 up field more.

So I ordered FW and it was here... they want me to pay with a cheque. Hahaha! They won't take money or debit cards. What the hell is this? The medieval days? The days just after the fall of rome or something?

Don't use UPS anymore FW please for the love of god.

Why do they want you to pay at all?