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 Theophony wrote:

New spellings for trademark reasons.

I think they're safe at least with their Primarch's name on that front.

has there been any info on that Khorne Dragon by Trish?

i must have 1 ...

 Theophony wrote:

 whalemusic360 wrote:
I can't decide if I want those decals to come out so Em can die happy, or if I want them to never come out so he lives in torment for thousands of years. I think the latter. Though if FW could tease them again, then still not put them out, just to keep hopes up, that would be fantastic.

Well if you deliver the warlord to me then I can make sure you get your wish

Git yer own Warlord!

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Mymearan wrote:
I'm sure they're going to release breacher shields for more legions, I would bet Imperial Fists among them. Why wouldn't they?

It would have been a lot better if they released a generic shield set first. Then EVERYONE is happy rather than 1/18 of the people.

What about using the rather excellent Phalanx Warder sets as the basis of your MKIV IF breachers. Sure the shields are a different shape, but who says breachers all need to carry square riot shields?

And the MKIII are both generic, and perfect for Iron Warrior breachers. I think they're perfect for IF as well.


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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Again though, those arms are too modern for Heresy-era armour.

That is my problem with them. I don't want Mk VII arms on my Mk III bodies. The new UM shields have arms that will work for both Mk III and Mk IV.

These are the generic ones that work with MKIII.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-MKIII-Breacher-Siege-Squad


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 Mymearan wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
If your playing a Fists legion/chapter army wouldn't the Phalanx Warden upgrades work for all your breacher needs?

You answered your own question... those are Phalanx warder upgrades

...and we can't use any parts of any kit for anything beyond its official designation!

 Azazelx wrote:

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 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 BrookM wrote:
Again though, those arms are too modern for Heresy-era armour.

That is my problem with them. I don't want Mk VII arms on my Mk III bodies. The new UM shields have arms that will work for both Mk III and Mk IV.

These are the generic ones that work with MKIII.
https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-GB/Legion-MKIII-Breacher-Siege-Squad


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 Mymearan wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
If your playing a Fists legion/chapter army wouldn't the Phalanx Warden upgrades work for all your breacher needs?

You answered your own question... those are Phalanx warder upgrades

...and we can't use any parts of any kit for anything beyond its official designation!

Well the problem as I see it is if you want to use both Breachers and Phalanx Warders, you'd want to differentiate them more.

Well the problem as I see it is if you want to use both Breachers and Phalanx Warders, you'd want to differentiate them more.

Precisely. I even made that point. In this thread. And it's fine. I have shields from Shapeways. And if FW releases new Imperial Fists shields, I will probably just remove the Shapeways shields and attach the new ones.

Regarding generic breachers in particular, that's exactly the sort of release I'd expect to see in plastic at some point – mass-produced and relatively undetailed shields lend themselves to GW's strengths, whereas the smaller runs of highly-detailed stuff works better for FW's modus operandi.

Personally, I'm glad they've kept that boutiquey, enthusiasm-led approach that means that sometimes it's a very specific, or outré item that's released over a generic one.

Certainly it can be frustrating if you want something specific, but as Azazelx points out, it's hardly taxing to kitbash or use a different paint scheme to demarcate things. The onus is on you to make detailed changes if you want something very specific. If you want to differentiate Phalanx Warders and Breachers, you could use the Mark VII shields and sculpt on/trim away the parts you want/don't want. If you're not confident with conversion, then a different paint scheme or detail would work. In any case, the Phalanx Warder models are very different even without the shields, so unless you're just using the shields, this shouldn't be an issue, should it?

To put that into context:

It would have been a lot better if they released a generic shield set first. Then EVERYONE is happy rather than 1/18 of the people.

This is true to an extent, but on the other hand, FW have already released kits to do generic breachers – the Mark VII set. If they'd released a 'Legion Breacher conversion kit', you'd have the Ultramarine players pining after gladius bits, and likely more people wondering why FW are releasing two such similar kits.

Can we move past the shield discussion? There are things you can use, and not everyone wants to use those things for various valid reasons. We've had the same "Use these" posts for the last several pages, as if those looking to build breachers aren't acutely aware of those options at this point.

Personally i just want Prospero out the way so we can get to the best 2 legions .... the angels

 whalemusic360 wrote:
Can we move past the shield discussion? There are things you can use, and not everyone wants to use those things for various valid reasons. We've had the same "Use these" posts for the last several pages, as if those looking to build breachers aren't acutely aware of those options at this point.

Option C is loading a bunch of ultramarines breaching shields into my torpedo tubes and firing them at Casval, along with copies of a book my primarch has written...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-NL/Acastus-Knight-Porphyrion



£320

Rules: https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/fw_warscrolls/Acastus-Knight-Porpyhrion.pdf


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That price though.. more than a Warhound body. This is way beyond my generous Christmas budget.

No 40k proper rules, well played.

Awesome but would need 40K rules before I buy one.

'Tis beauty!

I think it's great.

Looks awesome, but i cannot take it as LoW option for my Deathguard. :(

It's great, it's beautiful, it's lovely!

It has no 40k rules. Welp, that sucks.

I guess it's 40k rules are being held until they release the new IA book.
Just gotta get my things sorted and I'm definitely buying this either today or tomorrow.

I would buy it instantly if it had 40k support, or if we could get confirmation that it's coming in the future. I have asked Forge World, hopefully I can get an answer.

EDIT: Got some confirmation on this matter. It's not a 100% confirmation I would say, but it's something!

You could always close the missile launcher and use it as a turbolaser Warhound titan, it sure seems to be big enough for that! Beautiful model though, even if it won't be seeing the table much.

FFS forgeworld, why make it a LoW? My Warhound already fills that slot!

Ah well, no knight porphyrion for me then.

 SirDonlad wrote:
FFS forgeworld, why make it a LoW? My Warhound already fills that slot!

Ah well, no knight porphyrion for me then.

They don't want you taking more than one...

 aka_mythos wrote:

 SirDonlad wrote:
FFS forgeworld, why make it a LoW? My Warhound already fills that slot!

Ah well, no knight porphyrion for me then.

They don't want you taking more than one...

They definitely ensured that with it's unit price! - now a ~£280 ordinatus looks like a good price for filling the LoW slot in my Ordo Reductor army.

Seriously tempted to do that given how much i was looking forward to finishing my household with the new knight.

I can confirm from Forge Worlds Facebook page that the Porphyrion will indeed get rules for 40k, and soon at that!

Rejoice.

but may not be chosen for those of the rank of Scion Aspirant or Scion Uhlan.

DAMMIT! They must have seen my posts about doing exactly that!

Also, HELIOS! That is outstanding to see. And the price is not awful for it, either. Now to shoehorn this big sucker into my Questoris army and keep waiting for my decals.

So, this thing lacks Strength D, which is no big deal I guess.

It does however drop 4, S10 AP2 large blasts a turn and they are twin linked.
Plus a weak massive blast.

At its cost it may be worth throwing on the 2 lascannon upgrades too just to be sure.

All in all its not bad and I need one.
I think it's also one of the most expensive price to points LOW choices too lol.
IMO though it looks worth it to me.

Why does things like those big titans need separate rules for 40K?

Both 30K and 40K is based on the same ruleset anyway. I suppose one could argue that they need to be balanced against different lists but that could be achieved simply by different points costs in the two eras. And it's not like GW care about balance in 40K anyway.

40k one just needs more D

Nice Knight, beautiful model, definitely not getting one. The weapon load-outs seem a bit underwhelming to me, but I should remind myself that this is still a Knight variant and not a Titan.

I'd say if the rules will stay the way they are for 40k this thing will be mildly OP. Packing so much firepower and having improved armor, HP and BS and being only slightly more expensive than kitted-out Crusader is kinda ridiculous, but nothing close to outright insanity like peltasts for example.
Oh well, at least this thing is quite straightforward - no D-blasts, no flare shields, no fancy special rules other than standart ones. Plus it is I3 so other knights will have more or less decent chances of taking it down with D-slaps in melee.
Still looks like gothic Humpty Dumpty tho.