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 Alex C wrote:
I had intended to buy the Plague Battlegroup, but I have 95 Zombies, 22 Stage 2's, a Stage 1 and a Teraton already.

I'm just gonna get a couple of 20 for $20 Stage 3 bundles instead. They look great!

Do we know what the thing on that one guy's head is? Have any pictures of the sprues been floating around? If it's a commissar or biker hat that's great..but... also not great.. though.. I can't say I don't have plenty of heads to swap for it

I'm pretty sure it looks like a flat top commissar hat to me, though I'm not sure who else in the fluff would have such a hat.

I'm sure we'll get at least 6-7 heads on the sprue, surely.

 GrimDork wrote:
I'm pretty sure it looks like a flat top commissar hat to me, though I'm not sure who else in the fluff would have such a hat.

I'm sure we'll get at least 6-7 heads on the sprue, surely.

Probably, though I'm sure I could get away with swapping in some of the heads from the zombie sprues I have laying around everywhere.

Yeah that will probably work too. Unless they realized they made the helmeted zombie heads double-size and wisely scaled them back. But the other zombie heads would probably work.

Where's my one of everything pledge?

so in the plague battlegroup, everything is resin, metal, or restic except the new 3rd gens correct?

 keltikhoa wrote:
so in the plague battlegroup, everything is resin, metal, or restic except the new 3rd gens correct?

That's my understanding.
EDIT: Below someone points out that the zombies were too, slipped me mind.. that's it.. off to bed with me..

 pretre wrote:
Where's my one of everything pledge?

Probably closer to the middle/end of the KS I bet!

As for the earlier discussion - I think 28mm is no better or worse than 15mm for these types of games at the level they're aiming for. Heck, people play and seem to enjoy Apoc (I don't, personally), but it's really different strokes for different folks.

Personally, I am not a fan of 15mm (or smaller), simply because the detail is lacking - or it's so microscopic one needs a magnifying glass to see it. I played Epic for several editions, and simply grew out of it. Maybe I just got older and my vision got worse to the point where I was looking at tiny bundles of red fighting tiny bundles of green. There's little draw in that for me.

Some obviously want the maximum 'tactical challenge' they can find in a game, and they feel 15mm (or smaller) offers them that. I like that myself - but I am more about the aesthetic, and to me in that regard 15mm just doesn't compare to 28/32mm. I've scoped out DZC and even dabbled in DW and they were just 'meh' looking to me.

Obviously that doesn't mean Mantic's offerings are miniature Van Goghs on the tabletop. But I like enough of them to buy-in, and I have high hopes for Firefight. Warpath may or may not 'go over' very well, but I have a feeling the skirmish game will attract my attention more anyway. I'll be giving both a shot, though.

-Mort

The 40 zombies are hard plastic too. 60 hard plastic minis with 6 restic ogres sized models and two larger restic dudes. The restic is less of an issue on bigger stuff usually.

 Mort wrote:

 pretre wrote:
Where's my one of everything pledge?

Probably closer to the middle/end of the KS I bet!

As for the earlier discussion - I think 28mm is no better or worse than 15mm for these types of games at the level they're aiming for. Heck, people play and seem to enjoy Apoc (I don't, personally), but it's really different strokes for different folks.

Personally, I am not a fan of 15mm (or smaller), simply because the detail is lacking - or it's so microscopic one needs a magnifying glass to see it. I played Epic for several editions, and simply grew out of it. Maybe I just got older and my vision got worse to the point where I was looking at tiny bundles of red fighting tiny bundles of green. There's little draw in that for me.

Some obviously want the maximum 'tactical challenge' they can find in a game, and they feel 15mm (or smaller) offers them that. I like that myself - but I am more about the aesthetic, and to me in that regard 15mm just doesn't compare to 28/32mm. I've scoped out DZC and even dabbled in DW and they were just 'meh' looking to me.

Obviously that doesn't mean Mantic's offerings are miniature Van Goghs on the tabletop. But I like enough of them to buy-in, and I have high hopes for Firefight. Warpath may or may not 'go over' very well, but I have a feeling the skirmish game will attract my attention more anyway. I'll be giving both a shot, though.

-Mort

It's accurate to say that the details can get lost at that scale. Just remember though that if you have 150 28mm models on the table a)painting those details becomes mind numbing and b)when both sides have that much down, it's very hard to see those details as they are lost in the sea of minis. As someone who has built and painted Orcs, Orks, and Imperial Guard (2 different armies) and lord knows how many other hundreds of models over the years, I welcome the break. At the 15mm scale there's a lot more big vehicles and mechs too and that's where a lot of painters find their place it seems. That said, I really don't think Mantic is going smaller scale any time soon. As a fun experiment though, I think I might try the Warpath Alpha rules with some of my 15mm models.. could be interesting

 MLaw wrote:
Arg, the Plague bundle will mostly be zombies. Guess what I bought a crapload of..
*facepalm*

If they do combo booster bundles to mix and match later on, that would be swell. Otherwise I'm probably stuck just doing add-ons. Ugh..

I was thinking the same thing, but 20 for $20 is good enough replacement for a bundle. Add of the eventual 8 dollar character and you can get sixty dudes and a character for 7 dollars less than a bundle.

I figured I'd give this thread a chance and go back in for a dollar, but if it dies, I'm out!

Ha ha ha, I totally avoided the Plague Zombies in the two DZ KS, so I could totally get the Plague battlegroup now if I wanted.

But I won't, because I don't like the Plague Zombies

20 stage 3s sounds great, though. Especially after the next fake stretch goal, when we unlock a plague hound or two on the same sprue.

Yep next up is the heavy weapons -HMG, Grenade Launcher and probably the Mortar that will probably take another $10k or so and then they may add 2 hounds to the sprue for another $10k or so. Looking at the pathfinder and night crawler sprues that should all fit on the one sprue. That will probably bring us up to $250k

 Alex C wrote:
I had intended to buy the Plague Battlegroup, but I have 95 Zombies, 22 Stage 2's, a Stage 1 and a Teraton already.

I'm just gonna get a couple of 20 for $20 Stage 3 bundles instead. They look great!

Yeah, just getting the $20 for 20 deal is better if you went big on Deadzone.

There's also the $40 for 3 Plague Striders bundle as well to add some armour.

Hopefully they add in the Aberration as a bundle deal.

This is going to be an expensive KS for me, even just with the focus on Enforcers and Forgefathers.

Already wanting both battlegroups and a forgefather vehicle bundle.

I'd want the Enforcer vehicle bundle as well if it wasn't for the annoying restriction on the Arbiter upgrade... the vehicles are something I will definitely want to magnetize between all three variants, and if at retail they don't sell upgrade bits separately, I'm screwed.

At the moment Enforcers have a severe lack of anti-tank, the only thing they have is their 4x missile launcher team (which at the moment can only be bought by buying 4 lots of the restic deadzone starter set). so, that arbiter upgrade is going to be prety crucial.

I'm kind of liking the plague now...

I've always wanted a Plague Zombie army, going back to the Eye of Terror Codex Lost and the Damned list. I grabbed 80 (!) of the plague zombies in DZ1, and they're still sitting politely on sprues. Either the Battlegroup or a collection of bundles could really flesh out a nice Plague army!

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in!

On the whole scale thing - did nobody pick up on the fact that the rulebook will contain rules for playing at 10mm?

There's more Enforcer stuff to come presumably metal upgrades for the plastic kits

The Enforcer Missile Team and a Tank Hunter team are on the way too.

Tank hunters have thermal rifles and mines if I recall correctly

It's nice that the rules will support 10 mm, however where am I supposed to get the models from that match the warpath aesthetic and unit stats/options/etc ? I'm sure it will be a handy foot note or maybe page, but without mantic models to back it up...

 GrimDork wrote:
It's nice that the rules will support 10 mm, however where am I supposed to get the models from that match the warpath aesthetic and unit stats/options/etc ? I'm sure it will be a handy foot note or maybe page, but without mantic models to back it up...

I suspect there is a plan, it seems unlikely it was just thrown in.

If mantic starts pumping out 10mm stuff someday, even as another kickstarter, I'll probably jump on it. Right now it's too nebulous for me to be comforted by it, we're already having to take firefight's mechanics on faith.

I'm not trying to be overly negative, but something like a line of 10mm troops i'll need concrete evidence before I get enthusiastic, and if we're aren't planning to see even marauders or possibly rebs in this campaign, I'm pretty sure no alternate model sizes will show up.


Total seems to have gotten a boost with the plague bundle, maybe we'll get far enough along to unlock the next total and the next thing will also be inspiring.

 mattjgilbert wrote:
On the whole scale thing - did nobody pick up on the fact that the rulebook will contain rules for playing at 10mm?

I noticed it and mentioned it in the now closed topic.

A 10mm starter box with a couple armies in it would get my money.

 Bolognesus wrote:

@Azazelx
IME a tactful blob of steel epoxy fixed those metal Elohi wings pretty well. I'd almost be more worried about the ankles of those models. Besides, if you absolutely must pin, Mantic's metals are generally quite soft and easy to drill into so you shouldn't need a dremel; a pin vice should suffice. IIRC those wings were pretty thick so it shouldn't be too hard to drill into.

Of all the quirks that first KoW KS turned out to produce I'm somewhat bemused how it's those angel characters that seem to keep coming up

I do agree with you when it comes to restic for larger models - I would have very much preferred the upcoming zombie trolls to have been restic rather than metal for example: cheaper and more convenient, and the lesser chance of damage in use or transport will on balance have them looking better as well.

This stuff?
http://www.selleys.com.au/putty/epoxy/knead-it-steel/

It's a fair enough thing that those models keep coming up. They're not exactly designed for ease of user-accessibility, are they? I mean - steel epoxy is hardly standard in the miniature modeller's toolkit. A bit more forethought on Mantic's part would have made them so much easier as models. Much deeper sinks for the wings, like they figured out way back in, I dunno, the 1980's would have made it a moot point without a need for dremels, pin vices, drilling or steel epoxy.

I actually have a few types of steel epoxy, a putty you knead and a couple types of JB Weld.

JB Weld is great for attaching metal wheels to resin vehicles for example, giving a VERY strong bond to a part that superglues never seem to work well for me.



But they see use for more than just hobby purposes. They come in handy for repairs on various things.

 CptJake wrote:

 mattjgilbert wrote:
On the whole scale thing - did nobody pick up on the fact that the rulebook will contain rules for playing at 10mm?

I noticed it and mentioned it in the now closed topic.

A 10mm starter box with a couple armies in it would get my money.

Yeah, I'm not interested in playing epic at 28mm scale, but at a smaller scale... particularly if it were cross-compatable (within reason) with my FoW terrain

 Azazelx wrote:

 Bolognesus wrote:

@Azazelx
IME a tactful blob of steel epoxy fixed those metal Elohi wings pretty well. I'd almost be more worried about the ankles of those models. Besides, if you absolutely must pin, Mantic's metals are generally quite soft and easy to drill into so you shouldn't need a dremel; a pin vice should suffice. IIRC those wings were pretty thick so it shouldn't be too hard to drill into.

Of all the quirks that first KoW KS turned out to produce I'm somewhat bemused how it's those angel characters that seem to keep coming up

I do agree with you when it comes to restic for larger models - I would have very much preferred the upcoming zombie trolls to have been restic rather than metal for example: cheaper and more convenient, and the lesser chance of damage in use or transport will on balance have them looking better as well.

This stuff?
http://www.selleys.com.au/putty/epoxy/knead-it-steel/

It's a fair enough thing that those models keep coming up. They're not exactly designed for ease of user-accessibility, are they? I mean - steel epoxy is hardly standard in the miniature modeller's toolkit. A bit more forethought on Mantic's part would have made them so much easier as models. Much deeper sinks for the wings, like they figured out way back in, I dunno, the 1980's would have made it a moot point without a need for dremels, pin vices, drilling or steel epoxy.

Mine comes in liquid form, but that'll do. It's not expensive and as cptjake mentions it gets plenty of use in modelling. If it was expensive or exotic I might agree with you but this really is neither. Besides a pin vice it's fairly standard kit and these wings were easily thick enough for pinning...

Personally, I have no interest in a 10mm game. The only detail that can be made out will be on vehicles. That would be a Mantic kickstarted I'd sit out on.

I'm a painter and modeler first, gamer second. 10mm gets a huge pass from me.

They might as well make a space fleet game, too, while they're at it.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
They might as well make a space fleet game, too, while they're at it.

I'm sure they will, along with a fantasy skirmish game, and a fantasy naval game...

 Alex C wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
They might as well make a space fleet game, too, while they're at it.

I'm sure they will, along with a fantasy skirmish game, and a fantasy naval game...

Or a fantasy skirmish naval game in space!?! What could possibly go wrong if you put in all that cool stuff together in one package?!?! It ticks every box!