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If they get to new Marauders (orks) as an army I'll get (semi) interested in the KS.

Only if it shoots the moon. They aren't even on the radar really.

 GrimDork wrote:
They aren't even on the radar really.

It hurts me when you say things like that.

Can I say the campaign has already stalled or will I be told off?

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Can I say the campaign has already stalled or will I be told off?

You can, but if they shove in a Blaine as a result, I will murder you.

I have it on good authority that one of the new army lists is just all versions of Blaine.

 lord_blackfang wrote:
I have it on good authority that one of the new army lists is just all versions of Blaine.

A Blaine army is my spirit animal

^That's ridiculous.

They're actually going to tool a giant mecha-Blaine in hard plastic as a $100k stretch.

100k wouldn't buy plastic hard enough for Blaine.
Did they really end up doing a Brian blessed mini?

My guess is that this campaign will end somewhere around $500K-$650K. Any bets against?

It is telling that Deadzone which had an innovative concept is their largest kickstarter yet. Another miniature game, however good, is not that new and exciting.

$650k and 6 armies fully funded sounds about right.

At the moment, they only need (at minimum) Veermyn, Corporation and Asterian vehicles, and Asterian infantry to get there.

So, 4 fairly large stretch goals, with some hybrid metal and character stretches in-between. Should be doable, although hard plastic Corp infantry as well would be ideal.

Yeah, it's already stalled. Good news is that means we'll start to see kitchen sinks thrown in if it keeps up for another few days

Lowered my pledge to concentrate on just 2 armies for now. After getting slapped with a duty tax on my DBX/KoW shipment and due to shipping for Warpath being charged after the project rather than being included, I figure I better keep the total low(ish).

 jorny wrote:


It is telling that Deadzone which had an innovative concept is their largest kickstarter yet. Another miniature game, however good, is not that new and exciting.

I think it's largely due to the fact that Warpath is just a 40K alternative while 40K still exists, unlike KoW which replaced the old WFB that GW killed. If you plan on paying Warpath with your existing 40K collection, then all you need are the rules. So, this KS is mainly for those who just want the rules or those who actually want one of the Warpath-specific armies (I, for example, do want a Forge Fathers army).

Re: my base size question on the previous page, anyone?

25mm for the basic infantry. I would not advise putting models on 32mm for Deadzone and it doesn't seem advisable for warpath either, really.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:

 jorny wrote:


It is telling that Deadzone which had an innovative concept is their largest kickstarter yet. Another miniature game, however good, is not that new and exciting.

I think it's largely due to the fact that Warpath is just a 40K alternative while 40K still exists, unlike KoW which replaced the old WFB that GW killed. If you plan on paying Warpath with your existing 40K collection, then all you need are the rules. So, this KS is mainly for those who just want the rules or those who actually want one of the Warpath-specific armies (I, for example, do want a Forge Fathers army).

I actually think the fact that they're avoiding being not-40k, while a good move, is part of the stall. The only one of the initial armies that has a clear analogue to 40k is the enforcers. Space dwarves, space skaven, and Lost and the Damned are all non-existent in the 40k universe. KoW went out of its way to allow a direct port of WFB armies into KoW, while warpath is being much more coy.

The bigger problem I have is that they left some great stuff on the cutting room floor. You have armies like Corporation and Orx/Marauders, which while a clear 40k analogue, are cool and popular. In Rebs you have an army made up of multiple alien races, plus browncoats. Why are they being given the cold shoulder?

I get the idea that they'll eventually warpathify all of the deadzone factions and maybe the orks and corp too. But they want to go the real plastic route and since it's expensive to make the molds and all they have to just focus on a little at a time. I'm sure they have future kickstarters planned for the other stuff

Core plastic Corporation infantry, plus the 3As and a few vehicles, would have me in for two battleforces and the rules (aiming at Firefight-scale. Honestly, I'm only interested in sci-fi at larger than company level in 6mm or 10mm, these days.)

I don't know why, but for a year now, I've been wanting to paint up some Corporation troopers in Hyperion colors. But I hate the thought of restic troops more than I love the thought of having a small Hyperion force for gaming.

I think it's also that a lot of the initial backing is coming from returning Mantic backers, and this time most of the starting pledge bundles are chock full of material that's been funded and ordered before. I already have as many enforcers, Plague zombies, Steel Warriors, Jet bikes, as I want, for example. (Same goes for specialists; I'll probably never build my second Plague Teraton, so why would I want another?)

I still have Deadzone forces to finish assembling and painting, so Warpath just doesn't look realistic as something to upgrade to. I'd never get all the models done. So why buy the rulebooks for something I'll never play?

Being in this mainly to spice up my Deadzone forces, I don't need any vehicles, either, although I could be tempted to purchase one of each just as scenery, scenario objectives, or for fun.

Currently Mantic's advice to people in my position is to go for the add-ons, they're a great deal, etc. Currently I have an early bird and given how these things evolve, I plan to sit on it until the end, in case the advanced warfare deal becomes so good that even from my perspective getting it makes sense. With Mantic, you never know until the end.

I don't really have any complaints, but I would make one request, which is that Mantic consider some sort of Advanced Warfare pledge tailored to Deadzone / previous backers like myself. Some of the add-on deals may be good (20 for $20 especially), but some are not: I don't think paying $30 for one of each vehicle type is very tempting, or paying $40 to buy more jetbikes in a quantity I'll never need or use (10 jetbikes is ridiculous for a Deadzone player). Similarly, while I would pick up 20 more hard plastic enforcers, plague zombies, and maybe a few more Peacekeepers, it's not worth it for me to buy a $75 army starter when they are the only things in those bundles that I want more of. Those are all cases where I would just buy less from the kickstarter rather than buy in larger quantity. The army bundles are better value, but if all I need are a few more hard plastic enforcers, buying a set or two at retail still makes more sense. (Unless I have lots of free time and incentive to trade or sell off a lot of excess, which many of us don't.)

This is a practical / business strategy issue, not a moral one about obligation to former backers / fans / etc. I get that this KS is for Warpath, not Deadzone, and that Mantic want to encourage people to scale up; accordingly, they should stick with that strategy as long as it seems to be working. If the KS stalls badly, that's when they should start considering what I'm saying here. This is the first Warpath / Deadzone universe KS campaign to feature so much previously funded / released material. There will be a lot of returning Deadzone players who would be happy to use the KS to fill in spots in their collections, even if they don't want to upgrade to full armies (or conversely, they already have enough for such armies minus one or two things, and would rather buy just those things to finish them). If the campaign stalls, Mantic might want to loosen up their approach and start catering more to those people by doing 20 for $20 deals for older HP stuff like enforcers, plague zombies, steel warriors, etc. That's money coming in in smaller chunks, but if those were people who were never going to go for the $75 hard sell upgrades anyway, that's much better than nothing.

All constructive ideas,

but the disadvantage is it kicks all their retail stockists many of whom are not best pleased with Mantics continual KS fest to begin with,

It's a lot easier for a store to accept a mantic rep telling them not to worry, the KS will really only appeal to new players (look we're only offering full armies at deal prices), and that once they are in the stores can sell them a bunch of other stuff, the new kit are fine too as without KS they wouldn't exist to make the game more appealing and help the stores sell it to their customers

but once Mantic start offering single existing items at big discounts stores will wonder if they have any profit left in stocking the line, or if all they'll get is people clogging up their tables playing with KS models and only buying the occasional brush/paint/soda which doesn't actually pay their rent & wages bill

 Psychopomp wrote:
Core plastic Corporation infantry, plus the 3As and a few vehicles, would have me in for two battleforces and the rules (aiming at Firefight-scale. Honestly, I'm only interested in sci-fi at larger than company level in 6mm or 10mm, these days.)

I don't know why, but for a year now, I've been wanting to paint up some Corporation troopers in Hyperion colors. But I hate the thought of restic troops more than I love the thought of having a small Hyperion force for gaming.

Borderlands Hyperion, or Marvel Hyperion (think crazy/nuts Superman, if anyone doesn't know him)? I assume the former, as it makes more sense.

I'm moderately interested in several of the factions here, but none of them are really grabbing me.

Enforcers - nice enough generic power armoured dudes, I could get them I guess.
Forgefathers - the kid in me who tried to build a Squat army at the tail end of 2nd edition really wants to make an army of these complete with drilling machines and land trains. But the adult in me finds Space Dwarves with beards a touch too silly.
Plague - Not interested in their backstory (I would rather my "plague" mutants look more disgusting and less like they've been pumping iron) but they could make passable mutants for a post apocalyptic setting.

Vermyn are a terrible concept as far as I'm concerned and the minis look like poop. Urgh. I hate that they're a core race. Space Skaven, did we really need such an unoriginal idea for one of the main factions? The idea of a "vermin" race that's sneaky and adaptable and scavenges tech is not too bad, but to have them be biped mutant rats is...urgh.

But none of it really excites me enough to want to pledge and then wait a year to get it. If I see the boxes on sale in my FLGS, I might pick up a couple.

If they started making hard plastic Rebs, I might take notice. I do quite like that faction.

 Da Boss wrote:
If they started making hard plastic Rebs, I might take notice. I do quite like that faction.

Why would anybody in interested in hardscrabble forces made up of fringe humans and a collection of alien races, all using different abilities to form distinct units?

Especially if they had a "space cowboy" vibe. I mean... who could possible want that?

Joyboozer wrote:
100k wouldn't buy plastic hard enough for Blaine.
Did they really end up doing a Brian blessed mini?

You may disagree, but I believe Brian Blessed was the inspiration for a certain over the top Forgefather character with a huge beard, winged helm, jump pack "wings" and a very screams attitude.

 Polonius wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
If they started making hard plastic Rebs, I might take notice. I do quite like that faction.

Why would anybody in interested in hardscrabble forces made up of fringe humans and a collection of alien races, all using different abilities to form distinct units?

Especially if they had a "space cowboy" vibe. I mean... who could possible want that?

::raises hand::

What put me off of Deadzone was how terrible a faction they turned out to be when they were the complete reason I bought Deadzone.

Deadzone's gone through at least one revision since I last looked at it so maybe they don't suck anymore; the last time I played, 2 plague mortars could control the entire board with massive frag by pinning everything, most boring game I ever played.

 agnosto wrote:

 Polonius wrote:

 Da Boss wrote:
If they started making hard plastic Rebs, I might take notice. I do quite like that faction.

Why would anybody in interested in hardscrabble forces made up of fringe humans and a collection of alien races, all using different abilities to form distinct units?

Especially if they had a "space cowboy" vibe. I mean... who could possible want that?

::raises hand::

What put me off of Deadzone was how terrible a faction they turned out to be when they were the complete reason I bought Deadzone.

Deadzone's gone through at least one revision since I last looked at it so maybe they don't suck anymore; the last time I played, 2 plague mortars could control the entire board with massive frag by pinning everything, most boring game I ever played.

I'm with you! I love the rebs. I think they're a cool idea, and while maybe more Fire-fight appropriate than Warpath, I love the idea of a half dozen races teaming up to kick ass!

The new 3A do look very good, especially compared to the unbelievably awful restic ones. They could also make some very convincing Necromunda Scavvies!

I like the change to the plague battlegroup, way more tempting now.

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