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 agnosto wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
So a Valkyrie sized ship (as someone who saw a physical render said) costing $25 is bad value when GW ones are $80? Even $30 if you only buy one vs $80.

The statement of the grey MVP in DBX when the rest of the team is clear blue is a good argument. But this one about vehicles is daft. And possibly worthy of a straight jacket.

Considering the MSRP of that $30 ship will be about $50 - $60, it's a fair comparison since the GW boat will likely be more detailed and have additional sprues of "extras". (note, I don't care about extras but they do cost and are worth something) Also, Valkyries are $53 on Ebay, NIB (plus shipping).

I'm not a GW fanbois by any stretch of the imagination but a good number of the new Mantic products are nudging up against GW level prices at MSRP; not a good or a bad thing, just an observation.

The thing is its $30 now or 3 for $75, which is a great deal compared to the $53 ebay price of the Valkyrie (if your happy to wait the 11 months) plus nobody knows the rrp for the kit and even then there will be discounts to have online plus mantic do bundle deals that save money unlike gw.

Older kits add ons to fund them - Enforcers have never been so cheap and damn I just spent £36 on 20 Enforcers (but they do have defender parts and used store credit I had so technically they were free right )

 judgedoug wrote:
I've noticed a couple of the old complaints of "models not turning out out like concept art" but I'm trying to figure out if that's still a thing.

KoW 1 had some pretty egregious examples of that. Maybe Dreadball 1 or Deadzone 1?

Has that happened at all in the last two years though? Seems like DBX was dead on. Dungeon Saga's models look 100% like their concepts. And actually the last releases from DZ1, and everything we've seen for DZ2, are dead on as well. KoW 2... my resin Blaine I just got looks like the concept art.

So is it even an issue anymore?

The Giant Obsidian Golem has proportions and texturing completely out of whack with the artwork. Valandor changed dramatically from his KS appearance, although there was artwork to support his new look, even if that artwork was not the artwork we paid to produce into a miniature during the campaign. I forget if the new art was available to view for the pledge manager.

Some very good pricing on those add ons, pretty much all good value compared to retail (the Forge Guard are about on par), and the 4 for $x amount are even better. These deals will get me to pledge at the $1 plus add ons route.

Really like the Asterian renders on the previous page, hopefully this stretch goal will get the total raised rolling again.

 Polonius wrote:
Even the much mocked Greater Elemental/Golem actually looked quite a bit like the concept art.

Only in the way that the Imaginext Millennium Falcon looks like the studio model of the Millennium Falcon. The details are there but the proportions destroy the aesthetics.

A bit of other news from the comments FF Valkyr squads aren't possible as an add on due to how the current molds are set up they share a mold with several other figures they might be doable in metal but they seem to be thinking of a complete resculpt at some later date.

Asterian Sky Razors aren't as big an issue as they have most of a mold to themselves so it might be possible to do a squad deal and just throw in the extra minis on the mold for free - it's cost dependent.

The Asterian Tank/Transport is already sculpted.

This doesn't look Valkyrie-sized to me.

 agnosto wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
So a Valkyrie sized ship (as someone who saw a physical render said) costing $25 is bad value when GW ones are $80? Even $30 if you only buy one vs $80.

The statement of the grey MVP in DBX when the rest of the team is clear blue is a good argument. But this one about vehicles is daft. And possibly worthy of a straight jacket.

Considering the MSRP of that $30 ship will be about $50 - $60, it's a fair comparison since the GW boat will likely be more detailed and have additional sprues of "extras". (note, I don't care about extras but they do cost and are worth something) Also, Valkyries are $53 on Ebay, NIB (plus shipping).

I'm not a GW fanbois by any stretch of the imagination but a good number of the new Mantic products are nudging up against GW level prices at MSRP; not a good or a bad thing, just an observation.

So $25 vs $53 is still a good deal. Unless you're comparing full price Mantic ship ($50-60) vs discounted GW, which is an unfair comparison. It's an unfair comparison between ANY two companies, one at full price, one at discount.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:


This doesn't look Valkyrie-sized to me.

Ah no that doesn't - :(

What if we just don't feel a Mantic plastic vehicle is likely to be worth $30?

Forget GW for a second. There are plenty of other options, and we have a pretty good idea of the number and quality of the frills to expect from Mantic. $35-40 at retail is cool because we know there will be discounts, and we will be able to see before we buy. For a kickstarter, $30 each just doesn't come across well for a variety of reasons.

Doesn't the Valkyrie have a clear canopy and a detailed cockpit and pilot? And door gunners and at least a rough interior for the passenger area?

That really shows a level of detail way past what I am seeing in the Mantic dropship. You can argue you don't need that detail to play the game, but you can't really argue that for many modelers that level of detail is a Good Thing and has value. Comparing a completely closed off/no interior model to one with an interior and expecting the same cost is also not fair.

 CptJake wrote:
Doesn't the Valkyrie have a clear canopy and a detailed cockpit and pilot? And door gunners and at least a rough interior for the passenger area?

So you're suggesting a more fair comparison would be to a simpler, less detailed miniature with a less grounded aesthetic?



How much does that cost, again?

Regarding size, Mantic have shrunken pilots to produce vehicles smaller than could actually be used by 28mm figures in the past. Striders and Valkyrs, namely, both of which have pilots much smaller than the average soldier in their army. Sounds like they're thinking about reworking the Valkyrs, at least. Open-air vehicles where the driver's entire body is exposed like Goblin Guntracks, Orx buggies, FF Quad cannons, and Asterian Sky Razors have, on the other hand, kept in scale with the rest of the army.

Things like that 20 for $20 Steel Warriors pack seem like a better option for me, who tends to have *loads* of Deadzone bits and pieces, than the $120 pledge levels, or indeed any theoretical tyrant equivalent ones.

Mostly because my flat doesn't exactly have infinite space...

Is there a list, anywhere that shows exhaustively what each model is (or going to be) made of?

Forge Fathers:
Model A : Restic
Model B: Plastic
Model C: hybrid metal/plastic

etc..

I'd love to back this but I dont need anymore restic in my life.

The 2 on the right have the troop compartment the one on the left the missile variant.

I wouldn't use that image to judge the size it's likely that they only have 1 resin print painted for now and photoshoped in 3. The jetbikes are more obviously photoshoped as one is over a kerb but isn't leaning as a result.

It looks deeper/taller in that picture but that's still nowhere near a Valkyrie. Valkyries are massive phenomenal models with a load of detail. I bought them when the MSRP was a good deal lower too. Valkyries were also about $120 when they were a FW resin kit so price/value/etc are fairly subjective, especially when you can also get 1/48 helicopters for $15-$20 with loads more detail. Value is where the consumer places it, for me.. either $20 or 2 for $40 if they need to go that route is what would hook me in.

 DaveC wrote:
I wouldn't use that image to judge the size it's likely that they only have 1 resin print painted for now and photoshoped in 3. The jetbikes are more obviously photoshoped as one is over a kerb but isn't leaning as a result.

Fair enough I must admit I'm not actually getting any from the ks, the veermyn tunneler is a much better deal, I think with the free one I can get in adv. Warfare and the 3.5 you get from the battalion I can make 1 standard sized one and 2 extended ones, with the left over drill bits been used possibility for an emerging/wrecked one.

 timetowaste85 wrote:

 agnosto wrote:

 timetowaste85 wrote:
So a Valkyrie sized ship (as someone who saw a physical render said) costing $25 is bad value when GW ones are $80? Even $30 if you only buy one vs $80.

The statement of the grey MVP in DBX when the rest of the team is clear blue is a good argument. But this one about vehicles is daft. And possibly worthy of a straight jacket.

Considering the MSRP of that $30 ship will be about $50 - $60, it's a fair comparison since the GW boat will likely be more detailed and have additional sprues of "extras". (note, I don't care about extras but they do cost and are worth something) Also, Valkyries are $53 on Ebay, NIB (plus shipping).

I'm not a GW fanbois by any stretch of the imagination but a good number of the new Mantic products are nudging up against GW level prices at MSRP; not a good or a bad thing, just an observation.

So $25 vs $53 is still a good deal. Unless you're comparing full price Mantic ship ($50-60) vs discounted GW, which is an unfair comparison. It's an unfair comparison between ANY two companies, one at full price, one at discount.

That wasn't my intent, no; I'm just saying that KS pricing is not an indicator of discount pricing or RRP and Mantic has been raising their prices of late so $50 or $60 for the ship isn't out of the question at RRP vs. an $80 Valkyrie. Sure, it's cheaper but I'd have to see what all is included and how big it is to determine if it's of good value or not. Pics make it look much smaller than a Valkyrie, a little bigger than a stormtalon?

It's good to see the Asterians make an appearance.

 DaveC wrote:
New Asterian Troops - Pictures specially for Alpharius

Spoiler:

Thanks Dave!

Is everything in that Asterian Battlegroup HIPs?

Kalyshi = metal
Sky Razor, Cyphers, Overseer, Weapon Drones = Restic
New Infantry = HIPS

Currently I'm thinking of waiting on pledging for vehicles and just pledge for figures during the KS campaign, then add vehicles after if things look promising.

Mantic have won my trust on hard plastic figures. I'm very happy with my Plague Zombies, Enforcers, and Peacekeepers, and honestly am not concerned about potential disappointment with Asterian drones or Plague 3rd Gens. The point is moot if I were only going in for $1 anyway, but I prefer to pledge as much up front as possible to help move the campaign forward.

As far as Mantic's hard plastic vehicles go, even though those should be easier (?) than small detailed figures, I don't know yet. Mantic did a great job on the Deadzone terrain, but I wasn't entirely pleased with the quality of the Mars Attacks robot or saucer. Those were "good enough," especially given the lighter subject matter and the good pricing (bundled, at least), but not really up to the standard that I'd want for Warpath. Mostly I'm not a fan of the big obvious seams on the robot's arms, which I'd like to get rid of but am not sure I'll be able to. No one who has posted an image of a painted one has yet, to my knowledge.

 DaveC wrote:
Kalyshi = metal
Sky Razor, Cyphers, Overseer, Weapon Drones = Restic
New Infantry = HIPS

That's a lot of restic.

I didn't really like the DZ Asterians in restic - what are the odds that it is better now?

I would imagine they're the same still. I don't think they've changed them at all.

 Alpharius wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Kalyshi = metal
Sky Razor, Cyphers, Overseer, Weapon Drones = Restic
New Infantry = HIPS

That's a lot of restic.

I didn't really like the DZ Asterians in restic - what are the odds that it is better now?

The restic Asterians here are the exact models produced in the DZ1 KS so if you didn't like them then, odds are you won't like them now.

 Bolognesus wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 DaveC wrote:
Kalyshi = metal
Sky Razor, Cyphers, Overseer, Weapon Drones = Restic
New Infantry = HIPS

That's a lot of restic.

I didn't really like the DZ Asterians in restic - what are the odds that it is better now?

The restic Asterians here are the exact models produced in the DZ1 KS so if you didn't like them then, odds are you won't like them now.

I haven't seen the retic asterians inperson but the original robots from db suffered quite badly from being in restic, lots of annoying flash lines, I know it wouldn't be massively popular to some people but I'd prefer them in metal, same for the comamder model.

I'd definitely prefer them (and really almost anything else) in metal vs. restic.

"Human" sized miniatures in restic just really don't work well for Mantic. At all.

That Corporation concept that was previewed earlier, is that also happening?

 Alpharius wrote:
I'd definitely prefer them (and really almost anything else) in metal vs. restic.

"Human" sized miniatures in restic just really don't work well for Mantic. At all.

But then you'd have the anti-metal brigade gaking all over them for being in metal.

Seems like these days everything has to be in HIPS or it's considered gak, for whatever reason.