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Has this one stalled again?

Was the big jump a few days ago people moving up to a higher pledge level and adding a few things?

And perhaps more importantly, has there been any more discussion on the rules, and hubs and multibasing, etc.?

They have said they won't have the firefight alpha rules ready in time. I think that is one of the biggest things keeping people at the 1$ pledge.

And they just keep saying multibasing is optional because discussing it seems to get people all riled up.

TL : DR No, they haven't really discussed it too much.

Supposed to be a new version of the Alpha this week, fwiw.

I don't think the GCPS had the impact we hoped it would have.

There's not a whole lot of GCPS to really have an impact. That's the faction I was waiting on and it was a total disappointment. We have a picture of a guy and a picture of a resin vehicle.

I totally get that the point of KS is to fund new things, but two pictures just isn't anything to get excited about, much less make any kind of impact.

I suspect it has had an impact, but that has been to stop people dropping out, rather than encourage many more to join

while sf soldiers are useful in many games, most people have more than enough (especially if they want to play firefight rather than the full warpath

 squall018 wrote:
There's not a whole lot of GCPS to really have an impact. That's the faction I was waiting on and it was a total disappointment. We have a picture of a guy and a picture of a resin vehicle.

I totally get that the point of KS is to fund new things, but two pictures just isn't anything to get excited about, much less make any kind of impact.

Yeah, the sketch is cool. Seeing how it translates to a sprue of 5 troopers in plastic, and how much of that detail stays or disappears and what the poses look like could get me to pledge. I'm not spending money on a Mantic sketch though.

Today is add-on Wednesday, so I guess we'll see what they have in store

Also, GCPS troops are going to have gender neutral torsos, and come with heads for men and women on the sprue, confirmed in the comments.

Worth remembering as well that GCPS isn't actually funded yet and while some people will pledge in advance a lot more take a wait and see approach and only go in once funded or in the last day when it's clear what's available.

It has stalled a bit much of yesterday was in negative territory until the GCPS update. I agree with Vermonter about Ultimate Tyrant I think it could see an exodus in the last 48 hours I know I'll probably drop mine back to Total Warfare and cut the funds as well as I'll hold off on the GCPS stuff until the PM when hopefully there will be renders available. Ultimate Tyrant just doesn't really have enough going for it to justify putting in $425 now when you can put in half now and then half later for 2xTW

Truthfully I think we've got "stick it out" Mantic firmly in control at this point, with "wheel and deal" Mantic imprisoned in the back seat. From their comments, I don't expect any fundamental changes to deals, and I don't expect anything significant to be added to any pledge levels either (just to battlegroups), at least until the final 48, and perhaps not even then.

You pick and choose which Battlegroup you want as part of the pledge level therefore improving the Battlegroups does improve the pledge level.

I think there are some incredible deals there. The Ultimate Tyrant and Total Warfare are both fantastic, aren't they? 3 GW sized vehicles for $75, 20 infantry for $20, 10 freaking jetbikes for $40.

What more do you want?!

You know what I'd really like to see? I'd like to see Deadzone 1 happen again. I'd really like to see a Mantic sci-fi campaign like Deadzone, or even Dreadball, that rakes in a ton of money and stretch goals

Didn't they both lose the company money?

 NTRabbit wrote:
Today is add-on Wednesday

Maybe in your future-land down-under, but Mantic still have over 9 hours to go, and I doubt they'll put the add on's up at midnight, so likely another 24 hours to go...

 Vermonter wrote:

 GrimDork wrote:
I guess if I got the deal and went to 9 striders I could probably just glue them together instead of bothering to magnetize... Resin mules for $13.33 though...... Need many. Plague will love them and so will troopers so they can shoot w/O hoofin it.

Yeah, on reviewing everything, I think I'll stick with two extra mules + 40 troopers for $5 more than the battlegroup. I don't need more striders, and the weapons team is nice, but probably not much compared to the mules. The metal commander is a poor old sculpt. If they added 20 more troopers I might change my mind, but they won't.

With 35 guys ($35 at best deal), metal bits for heavy weapon teams, 2 striders (best deal $13.33 each), a mule (best deal $13.33 each) and a character, you're paying $10 for heavy weapon bits and a character. Comes down to what you need (if you don't want more striders, it's not worthwhile, but several of the battlegroups are like that), but it seems like a very solid deal to me.

 CptJake wrote:

 squall018 wrote:
There's not a whole lot of GCPS to really have an impact. That's the faction I was waiting on and it was a total disappointment. We have a picture of a guy and a picture of a resin vehicle.

I totally get that the point of KS is to fund new things, but two pictures just isn't anything to get excited about, much less make any kind of impact.

Yeah, the sketch is cool. Seeing how it translates to a sprue of 5 troopers in plastic, and how much of that detail stays or disappears and what the poses look like could get me to pledge. I'm not spending money on a Mantic sketch though.

This. Well, both of these, actually.


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 Kirasu wrote:
It's very tempting to just replace all my Cadians with GCPS as their scale looks much more realistic when compared to space marines and such.

Can't really see anything regarding their scale or proportions. A sketch doesn't mean much, and we don't even have a clue how the buggy will scale to the troopers yet.

 Alex C wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
Today is add-on Wednesday

Maybe in your future-land down-under, but Mantic still have over 9 hours to go, and I doubt they'll put the add on's up at midnight, so likely another 24 hours to go...

Just realised my computer says Wednesday because it's 10 past midnight. I lose track of the days so easily

 Black Nexus wrote:

You know what I'd really like to see? I'd like to see Deadzone 1 happen again. I'd really like to see a Mantic sci-fi campaign like Deadzone, or even Dreadball, that rakes in a ton of money and stretch goals

Didn't they both lose the company money?

And everyone loved all of the miniatures and the pvc material from Deadzone 1
right guys

 NTRabbit wrote:
Also, GCPS troops are going to have gender neutral torsos, and come with heads for men and women on the sprue, confirmed in the comments.

There's no such thing, and Mantic's failure to understand this is why the Pathfinders look like arse. At least if this was another all-male kit it wouldn't actively hurt the chances of getting a competently designed female kit in the future.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
Also, GCPS troops are going to have gender neutral torsos, and come with heads for men and women on the sprue, confirmed in the comments.

There's no such thing, and Mantic's failure to understand this is why the Pathfinders look like arse. At least if this was another all-male kit it wouldn't actively hurt the chances of getting a competently designed female kit in the future.

Odd viewpoint considering there are specific female torsos on the Pathfinders sprue.

But they are right for bucking their own trend and making a neutral torso, as females in body armor look like males in body armor, no matter how much people want armored breast cones and 12 inch heels and electro whips.

edit: instead of this weird desire to have giant exaggerated hips/boobs on miniatures wearing bulky body armor, how about someone finally actually make models with different heights? So far the Terminator resistance fighters are the only plastic kit that exists that have models of various heights on the sprue.

 AlexHolker wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
Also, GCPS troops are going to have gender neutral torsos, and come with heads for men and women on the sprue, confirmed in the comments.

There's no such thing, and Mantic's failure to understand this is why the Pathfinders look like arse. At least if this was another all-male kit it wouldn't actively hurt the chances of getting a competently designed female kit in the future.

Human torsos in regular flak jacket style body armour from neck to groin. Try doing a google search, even with the new body armour the US army is using designed specifically to fit women, from the outside the torso is still straight up and down solid. Not everything needs to be cheesecake and jiggly tits.

Here's a few images, please tell me how these real life women soldiers, in body armour, with no apparent bust or hips, look like arse and need to be resculpted

I'd like them to go gender neutral, but have one or two of the minis on the sprue be shorter than the rest as that is one decent way of spotting women in todays military, they do tend to be shorter on average than the men

(they'd also be fine for shorter men too)


but I can't see it being a popular choice so it's not going to happen

Yeah different heights would be cool, but it seems like a rare thing in plastic kits

We also have no idea of who would be dealing with the resin production of the Mule. We assume not Prodos because of the delays we saw with Blaine from KOW 2.

I have zero knowledge about computerised miniature production, how long would a GCPS soldier render take to make?

 NTRabbit wrote:

 AlexHolker wrote:

 NTRabbit wrote:
Also, GCPS troops are going to have gender neutral torsos, and come with heads for men and women on the sprue, confirmed in the comments.

There's no such thing, and Mantic's failure to understand this is why the Pathfinders look like arse. At least if this was another all-male kit it wouldn't actively hurt the chances of getting a competently designed female kit in the future.

Human torsos in regular flak jacket style body armour from neck to groin. Try doing a google search, even with the new body armour the US army is using designed specifically to fit women, from the outside the torso is still straight up and down solid. Not everything needs to be cheesecake and jiggly tits.

I wonder why, with that hi-tech helmet, they need 'female' and 'male' heads. If they're in combat, that helmet, coupled with the body armor, is going to hide the sex of the trooper pretty well.

And another picture proving your point (my wife on a little trip overseas a couple of years ago):

The guy they used for the Plague Zombies could do a single 28mm sculpt digitally in 2 days (he worked for Impact! as well that's how I know that) so a 5 miniature multipart kit requires more work obviously but you will be using parts already sculpted your probably looking at no more than 2 weeks work. Not sure who's doing the current digital stuff as they have an in house digital sculptor now.

Alex C wrote:

 MLaw wrote:
One thing that bugs me is the GW-ness of having your force commander running around with a sword.

It's an old model back from when the only reason they existed was as a cheap IG substitute.

MLaw wrote:I like the Striders because they remind me of the APUs from Avatar. I don't like the AJAX because it reminds me of Warmachine but with an egg.. hmm.. Eggmachine. It's the same thing with the space elves.. I don't like the ones with bows. I don't know why but there's just some things in sci-fi that seem weird to me.

Aye, that! If the commander with a sword is only a throwback to 40K-styled 'old' Warpath, it's a bit odd that they're now doubling down with spears, shields, bows, chainsaws and whatnot.

CptJake wrote:
In hunger games, the bow wasn't chosen because it was bad ass, it was chosen because the typical folks did not have access to firearms.

As for trajectory advantages, I guess that is why every army today has at least 2-3 bow equipped guys per infantry squad. Sorry, your 'airburst' and 'explosive tips' are fulfilled by the modern day grenade launcher.

Exalt.

lord_blackfang wrote:I quite like bows on the Asterians. They're "tech so advanced it's indistinguishable from magic" tier, so it doesn't really matter if they look like bows.

Being bothered by them because they're anachronistic is about the same as a person from 200 years ago being bothered by a car because it mostly looks like a carriage.

Any indication that they're 'tech so advanced', though? Not that the distinction matters too much. They're still armed with things that look like bows. They are armed with bows. We've got this business that is apparently trying to distance itself from the 40K 'fantasy in spaaace' bit, but it seems more in word (of forum defenders, at least... or at most) than deed, when someone at Mantic HQ is whipped up into such a fervour of inertia and unoriginality that the best they can come up with is elves in spaaace with bows in spaaace. 'Cos elves have bows, yeah? Everybody does elves with bows. Everyone knows you gotta have a side of bow with your elf. That's what makes them recognisable as elves, same way orcs gotta have bucket jaws and underbites, and women gotta have chainmail bikinis and boob windows. Even when you put them in a futuristic space war they gotta have bows. Hurrr.

Shuriken catapults are a stroke of genius in comparison. And those are what, a thirty year old idea? Give or take?

And the carriage-to-car comparison is a bit false. A better one might be the transition from horse-drawn vehicles to steam to the internal combustion engine. Our old friend the wheel is still grand, the basic principle is recognisable, it's that the purely biological power and exertion has been replaced with a lot of technological developments. You might say the same about firearms from crossbows to arquebusses to semi automatic rifles. With these space elves and their space bows, it's the throwback to something even earlier and less efficient that's the consternation. The space bows might be firing energy bolts or something (which is nothing like fantasy at all, right?) but they're still dependent on the space elves holding the whole thing out at arm's length to aim and fire, and using a wide motion of their other arm to draw... something back between the limbs.

A different comparison might be someone from two hundred years ago wondering why we developed the internal combustion engine to propel our vehicles, then decided to get rid of wheels and go back to the good old drag-along-the-ground sled.

I like the look of the corp guys way more than the enforcers. I may have to get some of those Mules too. They're probably the only faction where I like everything, the others have bits and pieces of coolness mixed with meh.

Asterians have cloaked planetkiller ships littered throughout the galaxy. They have man-portable fission and dark matter weaponry. I don't see why it would be a problem for them to pack a highly advanced form of weapon into the shape of a bow and arrow simple because they like the shape. You know, just like 300 years from now, human nerds will glue cogs and brass pipes all over their laser rifles, right?

 CptJake wrote:

I wonder why, with that hi-tech helmet, they need 'female' and 'male' heads. If they're in combat, that helmet, coupled with the body armor, is going to hide the sex of the trooper pretty well.

And another picture proving your point (my wife on a little trip overseas a couple of years ago):

Spoiler:

The current restic Rangers have fully enclosed helmets, so you wouldn't see either way, but the Marines have open face helmets, so could be done noticeably but not over the top. Depends how many kinds of troops they want to make from the one sprue, how the Rangers are going to visually differ, and how many heads they can fit on it really.

@DaveC :Thanks for the info. So there is a possibility that we may not see GCPS troop renders, that may further hurt the momentum of this one. Ultimately I think the $350,000 and $365,000 goals will be met quite easily.

The funding of so many factions is pretty cool, but we also see people to backing on a faction specific basis. It is their money after all. The last update dealt with GCPS and a bit of Plague, so Asterian, Enforcer, Veermyn and FF fans all hold off. You also have a lot of "No Marauders? I will pull my pledge" brigade, even though Mantic has been clear that they will not be dealt with unless this hit a stupid total.

@Lord-Blackfang

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So, Lord Blackfang, you are suggesting the Asterians are throwing their equivalent of otaku into the jaws of battle while the rest of their soldiers remote pilot drones?


Maybe they are and advanced culture.

Have we seen this Asterian component render?



BOW have also put up a "Getting to grips with the mechanics of Warpath 2.0 Video"

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Asterians have cloaked planetkiller ships littered throughout the galaxy. They have man-portable fission and dark matter weaponry. I don't see why it would be a problem for them to pack a highly advanced form of weapon into the shape of a bow and arrow simple because they like the shape. You know, just like 300 years from now, human nerds will glue cogs and brass pipes all over their laser rifles, right?

The problem is, Bows are massive. Liking the shape enough to give yourself a disadvantage? Come on.. Combining that with the inefficiency of having to draw back your ammunition.. of which, you are only able to carry like 30... unless it's magic space faerie arrows that appear notched in the bow like in that old Dungeons and Dragons cartoon.. Trying to argue that there are scientific reasons for them to use bows is like trying to argue that there are scientific advantages to having faces on your tanks and aircraft or ears on your robots (or boobs on your armor). Mantic has made a campy "spaaaace elves" decision and I think it's really as simple as that. I personally dislike them..

I'm half wondering if we're going to see vehicle commander torsos with swords to play out the old "Drive me closer" meme.